Hola Bill y Jorge:

Gusto en saludarlos, espero estén bien y les deseo lo mejor.

Yo también les doy gracias a los 2 por sus informaciones ya que
como también yo estudio mi genealogía en los altos de Jalisco, todos

I wanted to thank everyone for helping me with those translations. I
realize more and more how important it is to go beyond literal
translations. Learning the history not only brings into the equation the

I am aware that the Northern California (NorCal) group had a meeting in March, but don't remember seeing a follow-up report - did I miss it? where would I find it?
Are there any other regional meetings being planned this year ... just in case I might be in your area at the same time as a planned meeting - I'd like to join in, if possible. Just trying to plan ahead ; - )

My name is Paula Wakefield and I am searching for maternal ancestors---any help will be appreciated. Thank You
Octaviano Castorena and Refugio Macias are my GGgrandparents. ( Maternal --moms' dads line) I have no info on them other than the following children.

Sorry it took so long Welester, but I have finally uploaded the pictures
I was suppose to upload back in early May.

these pictures are fabulous and everyone should see what our ancestors
were up to many many hundreds of years ago:

Hi Joseph ,

Glad you liked them and I'm sure the members will like them as well . I will try and get fotos of the petroglyphs , they show a lot of creativity .

Welester
> > Sorry it took so long Welester, but I have finally uploaded the pictures > I was suppose to upload back in early May.> > these pictures are fabulous and everyone should see what our ancestors > were up to many many hundreds of years ago:> > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16075> > joseph>

Victoriano,

I can think of various translations of the verb "velar."
1.- [common] To stay awake, not to sleep; even as when "working the 'third
shift.' "
2.- [religion] To keep vigil. As in Rosaries and accompanying the body

I had some difficulty translating a couple of phrases found in parish
marriage records. I discovered they are Latin phrases that seem to be
terms used in parish documents that have specific meaning. I found some of

Being new to this group, I am somewhat hesistant to post anything and, thereby, annoy the membership! However, it doesn't make any sense to join and then sit back and wait...Anyway, I can find no more info on my great-grandparents and thought someone here might have some suggestions on how to find something when the information is so sparse. So, here goes...

I have just uncovered an ancestor who was married prior to her 12th birthday in the early eighteen hundreds. My genealogy software keeps giving a warning on this record. It seems many women were married around 15 or 16 years old during this time. This is the first one that was so young, but I know that it happened in Appalacian Mountains even up to the 1900's. I have not ordered the films yet to check for the accuracy and whether this is the right family, but has anyone else run across marriages where the bride was so young?

Does anyone know anything about this Family in aguascalientes. I had a Diaz line in Jalisco which eventually made it self back to Aguascalientes into the compund surname diaz de tiscareno:

HEre is my information

Greetings All,
Does anyone have any of the above surnames in their genological tree in the Chalchihuites, Sombrerete, Zacatecas area? What I have so far is:

Jose Goitia married Dolores Zamora around 1865.

Joseph,

Do you have a Gregorio RObles somewhere in there circa 1670 +/- 20 years. I believe my Gregorio might have come from Tepetongo, Zac to Saltillo. He married a Maria Sanchez. I have no clue where he was from. I believe Jalisco or Sombrette are other possibilities.

The source I found was published so it must be somewhat true, At least that's what I believe.
This is what the book is called

Enciclopedia de Navarra. Tomo IV. pp. 403-404 ESPARZA

Here is a small part of it in transalation

My name is Paula and I am searching maternal grandparents and back two generations. I am looking for --Castorena/Macias-----Hernandez/ Castorena and Hernandez/Guerra.. The records I have ( all from Mormon Family History site ) show these families in Aguacalientes, Zacatecas and Jalisco. Do these names sound familiar to anyone ?

I just ran across this article, which I believe someone had mentioned previously by reference to an article that talked about it. I am a bit of a math nerd so reading the actual article and its modeling assumptions is quite interesting.

I have found some new names to add to my family tree on my mother's side. I
got them from the parish records for the Santuario de Nuestra Senora de
Guadalupe Catholic church in Guadalajara, Jalisco. Film number is 0038507

David,

Yes, the baseline for inquiry/research for (Toribio and Isabel) birth dates
is 1520 to 1530, and we need to recognize that, this was the very start of
the colonization of the Nueva Espana (Mexico). So, availability of records

perdon , pero estoy investigando mi arbol genealogico y gran parte de mi familia segun lo que he investigado esta en jalisco y zacatecas pero me atore, si alguien tiene datos que me pudieran ayudar acerca de las siguientes personas se los agradeceria:

Interesting quote from the movie "The man who wasn't there", by the Coen brothers, with Billy Bob Thorton:

I found myself, more and more,
going over to the Abundas's.
It was a routine we fell into

Does anyone know who Isabel Hurtado de Mendoza is? She would of been born around 1530 in Mexico City. Her father was said to be Diego Hurtado de Mendoza, a Spanish Conquistador, and the grandchild of

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Does anyone know this surname, as far as I have seen its not very commen in Aguascalientes but there are A LOT in Jalisco and Michoacan Area. I have never heard the surname de Ordorica before until know. I think My Ordorica line migrated to Aguas in the mid 1740's. Here is my Ordorica line.

have a listen to new audio on the Texas Connection to the American
Revolution by Jack Cowan:

http://nuestrafamiliaunida.com/podcast/revolution.html

joseph

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Joseph Puentes

Is anyone doing Saucedo research in Malpaso? If so please contact me:
makas@nc.rr.com

thanks,

joseph

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Joseph Puentes
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