Hello everyone,
This thread is intended to be a continuation of two earlier threads regarding the Benavides trunk started by Manny and Ronnie as seen here:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/es/node/23035
and here:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/20210
I have been looking closely at dispensations regarding the Benavides, Cortes, and Aguayo lines. I believe I have come up with a clearer picture of the earliest generations. At a quick glance, it may seem that many of these dispensations contradict each other, but this is because we have been trying to couple them with what the secondary sources say about these individuals. First let us start with forgetting any preconceived notions about the Benavides trunk — especially what we may think we know about “Geronima de Benavides” and “Catalina Cortes”. Let us just focus on exactly what is being said in the dispensations. Only then do they fit together quite nicely without any contradictions that I have seen so far.
The following are 7 dispensations that help make sense of the Benavides trunk. It helps to look at them in a certain order.
PART 1: THE EARLY BENAVIDES
DISPENSA 1. GASPAR LOMELIN & MARIA MEDINILLA
4 Dec 1678, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THT7-B?mode=g&i=112&wc=MC7…
This one is the oldest and thus the closest chronologically to the Benavides trunk. Here Maria Medenilla, the widow of Nicolas Carbajal, is marrying Gaspar Lomelin. All three are descended from three siblings named as: a Geronima de Benavides, a Luis de Benavides, and a Catalina Cortes.
The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes
Mariana Ortiz-2-N.N.-2-N.N.
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5
Right away you are probably thinking that these testigos must be wrong -- that Catalina Cortes could not have been a sister to Geronima and Luis de Benavides. Well, just bear with me for a moment. This dispensation does prove that Geronima de Benavides, Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes were siblings, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides). Looking at this first dispensation this way instantly solves many problems with the proceeding lineages.
We know from Maria Medinilla’s first marriage (dated 29 Feb 1672) that Nicolas Carvajal was the son of Juan Carvajal and Jacinta de Oliva. As seen here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THRN?mode=g&i=196&wc=3P9N-…
We know from the marriage of Nicolas’ parents (dated 25 Jun 1633) that Jacinta also appears as “Jacinta de Benavides.”As seen here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THC5?mode=g&i=142&cc=18044…
According to Gonzalez-Leal, Jacinta de Oliva was daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and a Geronima de Benavides, who was the daughter of Luis de Benavides. We also know from other sources and that Lucas Lomelin is the son of a Maria de Benavides and Carlo Lomelin. The filled in tree would look like this:
The tree filled in:
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Geronima de Benavides (I)-1-Luis de Benavides -1-Catalina Cortes (II)
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima de Benavides (II)-2-Maria de Benavides (I)
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3- Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5
Note: I originally thought that the Catalina Cortes who died in 1652 was Catalina (I) (wife of Geronimo de Benavides), but I cannot deny the possibility that she may really be Catalina Cortes (II), their daughter. The record can be seen here:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15206-417-37?cc=1804458&wc=M…
{{{Note: the first marriage of Maria Medinilla to Nicolas Carvajal (dated 29 Feb 1672, Nochistlan) (seen here: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-766-62?cc=1804458&wc=M…) says that this couple is related in 2 and 3 degrees. This would seem to contradict the tree above but it does not. The relation is via another line. The tree is seen below:
Trunk N.N. & Gonzalo Yanez del Monte& Geronima de Benavides (II)
Juan Yanez-1-Jacinta de Oliva
Mariana Yanez-2-Nicolas Carvajal
Maria Medinilla-3-}}}
Catalina Cortes (II) IS the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I), as proposed by Gonzalez-Leal in Retones, only this Catalina Cortes (II) is not the one who was married to Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. That Catalina Cortes (III) appears next.
DISPENSA 2. BERNARDO GONZALEZ DOMINGUEZ & JOSEPHA LOZANO
5 May 1680, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-23385-39?cc=1804458&wc…
Holcombe says that Geronimo de Benavides is the son of Diego de Benavides. Gonzalez-Leal gives in Retonos that Luis de Benavides and Geronimo de Benavides are brothers and that Luis de Benavides is also a son of Diego de Benavides. This Dispensation was probably the source for that information, however, I think this dispensation was misread. Looking carefully at the penmanship in this dispensation, “Geronimo” de Benavides is never mentioned, but two “Geronima” de Benavides’ are. One is the sister of Luis de Benavides and the other is his daughter. Geronima de Benavides (sister of Luis) is clearly given as the mother of yet another Catalina Cortes.
The Tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5
The Tree filled in
TRONCO: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Luis de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Geronima Benavides(II) -2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Maria Yanez-3-Josepha Vasquez de Sandoval
Luis Gonzalez-4-Josepha Lozano
Bernardo Gonzalez-5
Since dispensa's 1 & 2 pass through the Yanez, than we know that the Luis de Benavides in dispensa 1 & 2 are definitely the same person. This means his sister Geronima de Benavides (I), mentioned in dispensa 1 & 2, is the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval).
DISPENSA 3. THOMAS DE PAEZ & FRANCISCA DE TORRES
27 Mar 1686 Jalostotitlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18418-15365-43?cc=1874591&wc…
This dispensation shows that the father of the groom is the first cousin of the grandfather of the bride.
The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4
The tree filled in:
TRUNK: N.N. & Catalina Cortes (II)
Maria de Benavides (I)-1-Geronima de Benavides (III)
Domingo Lomelin-2-Francisco Paez
Joseph Lomelin-3-Thomas Paez
Francisca de Torres-4
The Geronima de Benavides in this dispensation cannot be the same Geronima in dispensas 1 & 2, who is shown to be the mother of both Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortez (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval). When you plug this Maria de Benavides (I) back into dispensa 1, it shows that this Geronima is the third one to appear. This Geronima de Benavides (III) was the one married to Nicolas or Francisco Paez. (Holcombe says Nicolas, Gonzalez-Leal says Francisco).
This must be why in “Genealogia de Nochistlan” by Jose Luis Vazquez, it states in chapter 59, page 197, that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Geronimo de Benavides AND Catalina Cortes, but in chapter 22, page 80, it states that Geronima de Benavides is the daughter of Catalina Cortes (de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo). The Geronima in chapter 59 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (I) (mother of Mariana Ortiz and Catalina Cortes (III)[wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval]). The Geronima in chapter 22 must be referring to Geronima de Benavides (III) (wife of Nicolas/Francisco Paez and daughter of Catalina Cortes (II)[de quien se desconoce en nombre de su esposo]).
DISPENSA 4. JUAN DE ESQUIBIAS & MARIA YNIGUEZ
01 Jan 1693, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6P9J-Z1?i=223&cc=1874591
This dispensation says that the maternal grandfather of Juan de Esquibias, Lorenzo Yanez, and the maternal grandmother of Maria Yniguez, Maria de Benavides (II), were first cousins.
The tree as given:
TRUNK: N.N. & N.N.
N.N.-1-N.N.
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez
The tree filled in:
Trunk: Luis de Benavides & N.N.
Geronima de Benavides (II)-1-N.N. de Benavides
Lorenzo Yanez-2-Maria Benavides(II)
Juana Yanez-3-Jacinta Cueva
Juan Esquibias-4-Maria Yñiguez
We know from Dispensa 2 that the Yanez come from Geronima de Benavides (II) (wife of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and daughter of Luis de Benavides). In order for Maria de Benavides (II) (wife of Andres Cueva) to be a first cousin of Lorenzo Yanez, she must be a granddaughter of Luis de Benavides.
Note: Luis de Benavides now has two descendants named Jacinta: a granddaughter named Jacinta de Oliva, and a great-granddaughter named Jacinta Cueva. It leaves open the possibility that Luis may have been married to a Jacinta de Oliva as well.
PART 2: THE AGUAYO CONNECTION
The three branches of the Aguayo family are started by three siblings: Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran). There are several dispensations that prove that these three are siblings, but I will not get into those here. I would rather focus on their parents. Secondary sources say that their parents were a Diego de Aguayo and an Ysabel de Silva. We can see by the marriage of Ysabel de Silva’s son Diego that she is a widow as of 1633. This would imply that her husband died before this date. But was Diego de Aguayo really her husband? The following dispensations paint a slightly different picture:
DISPENSA 5. DIEGO DELGADILLO & YSABEL DE AGUAYO
7 Jan 1704, Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18377-18553-9?cc=1874591&wc=…
Diego Delgadillo, widow of Petronila de Isla, is marrying Ysabel de Aguayo. Both Petronila and Ysabel are great-grandaughters of two siblings. The first testigo names these two siblings as Juan de Benavides and Geronima de Benavides, but does not specify who descends from whom. (This is probably where Holcombe’s confusion of the Aguayo’s being descended from Geronima de Benavides came from.) The first testigo then goes on to say that the siblings are the children of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes. (So far, this is the only accessible primary record that I have seen that actually names this trunk couple.) The second testigo specifies that Ysabel de Aguayo is the great-granddaughter of Juan de Benavides and that Petronila de Isla is the great-granddaughter of Geronima de Benavides. The third testigo only traces back to their grandparents. We already know from Dispensa 2 that Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval) is the daughter of Geronima de Benavides (I) (sister of Luis de Benavides), so the filled in tree would look like this:
The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Diego de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Juan de Aguayo-3-Mariana de Sandoval
Ysabel de Aguayo-4-Petronila de Isla
This dispensation proves that the three siblings: Geronima de Benavides (I), Luis de Benavides, and Catalina Cortes (II), had an additional sibling: Juan de Benavides. It does seem odd that Juan de Benavides would be the patriarch of a family line that carries the name “Aguayo,” but the dispensations point in this direction. Come to think of it, I have not seen an accessible primary source that specifically names Ysabel de Silva’s husband as a Diego de Aguayo.
DISPENSA 6. CARLOS CARRILLO & MAGDALENA DE SANDOVAL
29 May 1707 Nochistlan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-18427-2989-38?cc=1874591&wc=…
Carlos Casillas is said to be the great-grandson of Juan de Benavides, and Magdalena de Sandoval is said to be the great-grandaughter of Geronima de Benavides (I). The filled in tree would look like this:
The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Regina de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Francisca Duran-3-Geronimo de Sandoval
Carlos Casillas-4-Magdalena Sandoval
DISPENSA 7. JUAN DE SANDOVAL & MARIA DURAN
11 Jan 1687 Nochistlan (IM) /9 Jul 1707 (Mar)
(IM)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15188-22789-41?cc=1804458&wc…
(Mar)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T49Y-LF?mode=g&i=161&cc=18…
This one is odd in that the (IM) does not seem to make any mention of the couple being related but the (Mar) says they are related in the fourth degree. The filled in tree would look like this:
The tree filled in:
TRUNK: Geronimo de Benavides & Catalina Cortes (I)
Juan de Benavides-1-Geronima de Benavides (I)
Regina de Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes (III)
Nicolas Duran-3-Geronimo de Sandoval
Maria Duran-4-Juan de Sandoval
Note: There is a 97 year old testigo in the (IM) for this couple named Diego de Aguayo. This ancient Diego de Aguayo appears as a testigo in a couple places with his age ranging from 97 to 110! How is this Diego de Aguayo related to the other Aguayo’s? I originally thought (via secondary sources) that he was the husband of Ysabel de Silva, but as mentioned earlier, Ysabel de Silva was a widow by 1633. The exact identity of this ancient Diego de Aguayo remains unclear. (Perhaps he is Ysabel de Silva's son?)
CONCLUSIONS:
The seven dispensations discussed point to there being 3 Geronima de Benavides’, 3 Catalina Cortes’, and 2 Maria de Benavides’. With multiple closely related individuals bearing the same name in one family, it is easy to see why many of the secondary sources tend to fuse them into one person.
The original trunk would branch out as follows:
Geronimo de Benavides (son of Diego de Benavides) married Catalina Cortes (I) (daughter of Pedro Cortes). They had at least 4 children:
1.Geronima de Benavides (I) (wife of N.N. Ortiz?)
2.Luis de Benavides (husband of a Jacinta de Oliva?)
3.Catalina Cortes (II) (wife of N.N. or natural mother)
4.Juan de Benavides (husband of Ysabel de Silva)
1.Geronima de Benavides (I) becomes the mother of Mariana Ortiz (mother of Geronimo Aramburu) and Catalina Cortez (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval).
2.Luis de Benavides becomes the father of Geronima de Benavides (II) (wife of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte) and N.N. de Benavides (parent of Maria de Benavides [II] [wife of Andres de Cuevas]).
3.Catalina Cortes (II) becomes the mother of Maria de Benavides (I) (wife of Carlo Lomelin) and Geronima de Benavides (III) (wife of Francisco/Nicolas Paez).
4.Juan de Benavides becomes the father of Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla) and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran).
If anyone sees a primary resources that contradict this reconstruction, please let us know.
I have question regarding this update?
I have my ancestor as:
I. Juan Moscoso y Sandoval married to Catalina Cortez
a.Their daughter is Josefa de Moscoso y Sandoval m. to Juan Lozano.
1.Their daughter is Maria Lozano m. to Geronimo Carrillo.
My question is what number is my Catalina Cortez and who are her parents?
I am so confused I am sorry I had trouble following this tangle of Catalina Cortes names I II and III.
I have question regarding this update?
It has been quite awhile since this convo. I dont recall if a consensus was made. According to my tree, I have your Catalina's mother being Geronima Benavides with unknown father.
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
You are in a tough situation. A Spanish and indigenous parent can be very hard to find ancestors for. I would suggest building out the family tree as much as you can for Bartola and Pedro, then hope you can find a dispensa pertaining to their descendants. Hopefully it will run up Bartola's father's side and you can figure something out that way.
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Great idea! Thank you! I will try to do this. :)
Regina Aguayo
Hi, I'm interested in the Aguayo family mostly located in the Rancho Aguayo in Nochistlan. I have an Excel file of all the Aguayo records I can find... baptisms, marriages, burials. In it I find Regina Aguayo having children with Domingo Mejia: Juana Mejia Aguayo, 3 Mar 1630; and Ysavel Mejia Aguayo, 17 Aug 1692, born in Nochistlan, Zacatecas.
I am happy to send a copy of my excel file to anyone who is interested.
There also is a book, "Genealogia De Nochistlan Antigua Reino De Nueva Galicia en el Siglo XVII segun sus Archivos Parroquiales" that give the early history of many Nochistlan families. Chapters 22, 24, 56 and 57 discuss the Benevides families.
I'll try to attach to this a chart from the book showing the relationships discussed in your message. Fooey. That didn't work. If you'd like the copy, please send me an email. Ed Nissen
De La Paz y Cortez
I have the marriage records of another pair of brothers married to another pair of sisters. The sisters are Catharina De la Paz y Cortez and Francisca De la Paz y Cortez. The brothers are Manuel Antonio Perez Franco de Paredes and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco de Paredes.
Manuel Antonio Perez Franco married Catharina de La Paz y Cortez, and Joseph Joachin Perez Franco married Francisca De La Paz y Cortez.
Both couples married on the same day, on the fifth of June in 1737. The brides are the daughters of Antonio De La Paz y Cortez and Antonia Frias de Ybarra.
The brother's father's surname is Perez Franco but I am unsure of the first name. I am hoping that someone will do a better job of reading his first name than I did.
Here is the link to the marriage records: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XYQT?mode=g&i=380&wc=3J4P-…
I believe that Antonio de La Paz y Cortez descends from the Geronima Benavides/Cortez and Paez lines.
The brothers and the sisters are related through "tercer con quarto grado " so there should be a dispensation for both marriages. Since sometimes these records are difficult to read, we are fortunate that there are two marriage dispensations that provide the same lines of descent.
Thank You,
Rick A. Ricci
ANDREA CORTES
Another piece to the Benavides/Cortes puzzle:
This is the PROCESO CONTRA FRANCISCO DE VEAS (or “Beas”), the vicar of Nochistlan. He was accused of soliciting sex from women during confession, and abuses against Indians. He was predator scum, and it’s a hard read, so be forewarned. There are 160 pages, and lots of testigos.
This is from 1570, so these are early residents of Nochistlan, several whom I’ve never heard of. But the Benavides do make an appearance: there is mention of the “Estancia de los Benavides,” and Luis de Benavides is present during some of the interviews, as is Maria de Benavides (his sister? his daughter? his niece?). One of the testigos is his wife, ANDREA CORTES (interviewed 25 Aug 1570 at the posada de Juan Perez de Piña). I suppose she would be the mother of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez del Monte? She is said to look about 30 years-old, so she was born around 1540. My guess is, she’s probably another daughter of Pedro Cortes, and sister of Catalina Cortes cc Geronimo de Benavides - another case of brothers marrying sisters?
Other names that appear are: Simon Garcia cc Clara de Maya, Pedro Ballexo, Diego Garcia de Saldaña, Diego de Ribera, Juan Vasquez (notario del dho Francisco de Veas), Antonio de Yslas. There are 2 sisters: Juana de Coca 24 cc Juan Alvarez, and
Catalina de Ortiz 18 cc Gonzalo Hernandez (all 4 give statements). Many of the testigos are Indios. Some of these interviews take place in the pueblo de Contla “que esta encomendado en Pedro Plasencia vecino de la Ciudad de Guadalajara.” It’s a long read, and there’s more.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
ANDREA CORTES
Oh boy Manny that is exciting. I feel like we are all on the same brick walls in Nochistlan and this is the first lead in a while!
There is an early Benavides line (would be early 1600's late 1500's) in Guadalajara. No clue as to if there is a connection to Nochistlan Benavides.
Heres a will for Juan Benavides in Guadalajara. He is the son of a Luis Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSDL-8R1Y?cat=198356
Juan de Benavides hijo de Luis
What I take from the will is that this Juan de Benavides was the leigitimate son of a Luis de Benavides and a María Jorge, or Ortíz, or Cortés; that he was married to María de Ávila, daughter of Juan Domínguez.
He says that they had three daughters:
Luisa, Juana (4 years old) and Jacinta (2 years old)
He says tha he has a cousin named Gerónimo de Benavides.
The will is dated 20-march-1634
Juan de Benavides hijo de Luis
Wow that is very interesting. Cortes and Ortiz surnames appear in the will?
Juan de Benavides hijo de Luis
I can't quite read the lastname of the mother of Juan de Benavides, looks like : "Jorge", but could be "Hortiz", or maybe even "Cortez", someone elses' opinion?
ANDREA CORTES
Hi Alex,
I'm not sure, I'm still playing with this idea, that the 3 siblings spoken of in the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa are children of Diego de Benavides, rather than Geronimo de Benavides cc Catalina Cortes. Following this formula, Catalina Cortes cc Juan Moscoso Sandoval is daughter of Geronima de Benavides, and sister of Mariana Ortiz. This would imply that she also married someone surnamed "Cortes." There just aren't enough pieces of the puzzle to make it work yet.
As for Juan de Sandoval's testamento - his mother's name looks like Maria Jorje. What's interesting, is that they are also from Mezticacan, so there is a link!
Great work!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Juan de Benavides hijo de Luis
The will is extremely hard to read; however, I actually believe it says "g.ma de venavides mi prima" who I think it says is in "mesticacan". Left side 6th - 11th lines from the bottom.
I also see as children Luisa de ojo (8?) anos? (this doesnt say Aguayo does it??) Ana 4 years old and Jacinta 2 years old. the tail end of "procreamos por ntros hijos legitimos" and "Luisa" has some words in it that I cant read, right side lines 9 - 13. Please tell me what you guys think.
I do see the 1634 date at the bottom there, but this is the 1638 book. Also Juan Benavides and Maria d'Avila had Ana in 1634 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N23Z-4W5 and Jacinta in 1636 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NB7G-1F6 so I think the entry occured in 1638. They also had a child, Juana on 1 Jun 1615 who doesnt appear in the will. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-2LS6-LS?i=75&wc=3J64-B…
Juan was therefore probably born between 1580 - 1590. This would put Luis Benavides and Maria Jorge births probably between 1550-1570.
Juan died 20 March 1638 in Guadalajara "era casado y con hijos".
THE FACTS END HERE IN THIS POST. Just fun speculation ahead
From here forward, assume the genealogy I posted a few posts back:
Pretending that Geronima de Benavides, his prima from the will, is Geronima Benavides cc. ?? Paez, this could place Juan as a sibling of Geronima Benavides cc Gonzalo Yanez and the unknown Benavides who had Maria Benavides cc Andres Cuevas. Maybe the unknown is Juan, maybe it isn't. It would be strange for it to be Juan because Maria Benavides was not named in the will. According to my previously posted genealogy the father of this proposed trio is in fact a Luis Benavides. Could their parents be Luis Benavides and Maria Jorge?
What I find interesting in all this is that the trio would all have descendants named Jacinta all coming from a Luis Benavides. If this proposed genealogy is correct then who are Luis Benavides and Andrea Cortes? They appear to be contemporaries. Are the Luis' one and the same revealing a second marriage? Also, could it be possible that Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes are actually Luis Benavides and Andrea Cortes? I don't know but it was a fun thought experiment!
JUAN DE BENAVIDES HIJO DE LUIS
Great work, Carlos and Alex.
In his testamento Juan de Benavides says: “Iten - I declare that I owe Geronima de Benavides, my cousin, 50 pesos. I order that, to repay her, some of the lands that I have in Mesticacan, be sold..."
So, we know that Juan de Benavides had a cousin named Geronima de Benavides, and that he owned land in Mexticacan, which he likely inherited from his father, Luis de Benavides cc Maria Jorge.
Yesterday, I found this, dated 28 Oct 1669:
Luisa de Benavides, Ana de Avila (viuda de Juan de Siordia), and Jasinta de Avila, hermanas hijas y herederas de Juan de Benavides y Maria de Avila difuntos, all who are over the age of 25, wish to sell to Cristobal de Caravajal, vecino de Tacotlan, “la quinta parte de dos caballerias de tierra en Tacotlan, donde vivia Andres de Cueba, junto a un arbol de sauz junto a otros mesquites como se va al pueblo de Mesticacan por orillas del Rio…,” for the amount of 60 pesos.
They’re selling 1/5th of 2 caballerias of land, where Andres de Cueba lived. Since they’re named as his heirs in the bill of sale, the girls inherited this land from their father. This links their father, Juan de Benavides, to Andres de Cuevas, and therefore, to Maria de Benavides - as you suggested, Alex. Good call! So, Juan de Benavides and Maria de Benavides could be siblings, children of Luis de Benavides cc Maria Jorge, though their births were far apart, with Juan in early 1590’s, and Maria closer to 1620, but it’s doable.
Gonzalez-Leal had Diego de Benavides born around 1510, and says that he had at least 2 sons: Geronimo de Benavides, born around 1540, married to Catalina Cortes, and Luis de Benavides, born around 1545, who had offspring. I think the Luis de Benavides cc Andrea Cortes who appear in the 1570 proceso is the son of Diego de Benavides, and that they are parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez, and of the unknown parent of Maria de Benavides cc Andres de Cuevas.
Juan de Benavides cc Maria de Avila baptized Ana in 1615, so he could’ve been born as late as 1595, and his father, Luis de Benavides “II” cc Maria Jorge, as late as 1575. I think it’s possible that Luis de Benavides II is son of Luis de Benavides “I” cc Andrea Cortes. Therefore, the children of Luis de Benavides and Andrea Cortes could be:
I. Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez
II. Luis de Benavides cc Maria Jorge
III. Unknown parent of Maria de Benavides cc Andres de Cuevas*
* It's possible Luis de Benavides cc Maria Jorge are the parents of Maria de Benavides.
Speculation, speculation!
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
JUAN DE BENAVIDES HIJO DE LUIS
Very cool, you're killin it Manny! I'm very interested to see where this leads.
Ever since your post I've gone down the Benavides rabbit hole, hoping to attack the genealogy from many angles. I've recently been compiling data regarding Diego Benavides c. Juana Delgado. What data do you guys have on this couple. I have a couple conflicting dispensas that seem to force their daughters Maria de Aceves and Felipa de Benavides-Delgado as being the same person but vital records search seems to suggest the opposite. Curious is the use of Aceves by a daughter of Diego and Juana. I also haven't found a use of Cortes yet but I'm still digging!
I should throw in the Luis Benavides mix a document, probably regarding a generation or later with regard to the Luis' of this post. Bottom right page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW3Q-MC?i=290&wc=12512…
MARIANA ORTIZ
Alright, here's another. This one fills in at least one hole, and includes one big name. It's dated 4 Nov 1623, in Mexticacan: Mariana Ortiz, viuda heredera y albasea de Alonso Gomez Garay, difunto, and her son, Geronimo Gonzalez Garay (aka Aramburu). This Mariana Ortiz would be the same mentioned in the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa, and who was daughter of Geronima de Benavides. Now we have the name of her husband, Alonso Gomez Garay. Presiding over this proceso is none other that CARLOS LOMELLINI, whose title I can't make out, but who is probably "teniente de alcalde mayor por su majestad." Escribano nombrado is Luis de Benavides. Also mentioned is Pedro de Medinilla (who might be the origin of this surname in Mexticacan), and witnesses present were Cristobal Serrano, Juan Rodriguez and Diego de Benavides.
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Collaboration
Great work Manny, and all that have contributed to this thread.
I descend from many of these people mentioned in this thread.
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
MARIANA ORTIZ
DUDE! Manny your a magician, making documents appear from thin air! I see the title for Carlos Lomelin "teniente de alcalde mayor en el dicho puesto"
Pedro Medinilla certainly seems connected. For Diego Arambulo c. Mariana Yanez-Medinilla, she uses the surname "Alvarado" sometimes. In your document, Pedro goes by Pedro Medinilla Alvarado on the first page.
Furthermore, Geronimo signs the document "Geronimo Gonzalez y Aramburu"
HOME RUN!
Visita General del Reina de la Nueva Galicia hecho por el oidor
Hi Alex,
I'm pretty sure you and I have visited this transcription in the past, it's of the visit made by Davalos y Toledo through the various parishes in NG, in Oct 1616. During his stop in Mestiticacan, two of the witnesses are Luis de Benavides and Alonso Gomez Garay. There is no genealogical information given, but at least there's an approximation of Alonso Gomez's age (about 50/ ca 1566). I think this Luis Benavides might be the one married to Maria Jorge?
http://books.openedition.org/cemca/1599?lang=en
Chao,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Felipa Benavides Delgado
IIs this Felipa Benavides or Delgado cc Diego de Pereira a sister of the Maria de Benavides cc Diego de Banuelos having children in Teul in the 1650s? Felipa appears as
one of the padrinos a couple of times on the baptisms of their children.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-JY?i=6&cc=1804458
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6433-9Y?i=32&cc=1804458
Maria de Banuelos cc Nicolas Sanchez Castellanos has a Diego de Benavides listed as her grandfather on her baptism record. If Felipa is Maria de Benavides sister I'm glad to (presumably) have the name of their mother.
~ Andrea
Felipa Benavides Delgado
Hi Andrea,
I am interested in anything you have for the Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado family.
I have them as having at least 5 kids. Luis (probably married to Maria Perez Infante Sepulveda), Maria de Benavides (married to Diego Banuelos), Felipa Benavides Delgado, Maria de Aceves (married to Juan Carrillo), and Juana Delgado (married to Juan Rodriguez de Frias). I think there may be an additional sibling Joseph, married to 1) Maria Gonzalez 2) Juana Ortiz Bustos.
I have not been able to connect Felipa Benavides Delgado cc Diego de Pereira. I have only one document pertaining to her and it states she has a child with the last name Carrillo. I don't know if its an error, confusing Felipa and Maria, or if she married a Carrillo.
Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado
There's another son Nicolas married to an Ana de Santiago 20 Jul 1659 in Tlaltenango. Right side, second from the bottom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-BRBD-J?i=274&wc=3PS7-7…
This baptism record for a son Luis is all I've got for Felipa, and the ones above where she appears as a godparent.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643S-XG?i=26&cc=1804458
I was missing Maria de Aceves. Thanks! And I hadn't seen a Joseph.
I have Maria de Benavides cc Diego de Banuelos born about 1620 and dying sometime between 1661-1677. Looks like her husband remarried to an Ysabel Gonzalez Delgado (or Delgado Gonzalez) in the early 1660s. If he's the same Diego Banuelos, he may also have had an illegitimate child with an Ysabel de Salazar named Baltazar Onate y Banuelos. If they're the same Diego, then that's a pretty big clue to his lineage.
I have Diego de Benavides still alive as of 11 Nov 1652
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-J1?i=25&cc=1804458
I think that's about it.
~ Andrea
Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado
Andrea,
Thank you so much for sharing what you have. I'll add it to mine and see if anything shakes out. I did some research last night and found some more stuff too. Here's what I have:
Felipa appears in dispensas 1418 and 2015 in Maria Luz Montejano's Sagrada Mitra ...
2015 is the only mention of Pereira. This dispensa is a mess and contradicts other information that I have found.
Here are more dispensas which help fill out/confirm the trees:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XWS6-H5?i=171&wc=11124…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6Y8L-2?i=748&wc=111241…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XHSS-1X?i=404&wc=12512…
I think these are relevant but I haven't looked hard enough at them yet:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65J1-R?i=560&wc=125127…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6T97-JT?i=551&wc=12512…
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XH9M-B3?i=155&wc=12512…
And here is a copy-paste of my notes:
Antonia Benavides daughter of Diego de Banuelos and Maria Benavides, Juana Delgado su tia muger de Juan Rodriguez marrying Diego Lopez viudo de Catalina Yepez, “Juan Rodriguez … Antonia Benavides su sobrina por parte de Juana Delgado, su muger”
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH59-J?i=46&cc=1804458
Sebastian de la Cruz Bermejo married Maria Delgado h. unknown parents
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-T4SS-SD?i=290&wc=3P9N-…
Maria de Benavides viuda of Sebastian Gonzalez Bermejo
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-THR1-D?i=453&cc=1804458
Joseph h.l. Diego Banuelos and Maria Benavides P. Benito Gonzalez and Felipa Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-JY?i=6&wc=3PSK-N3…
Pedro h.l. Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides P. Tomas de Velasco espanol vecino de tlaltenango
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-59?i=11&wc=3PSK-N…
Maria h.l. Diego Banuelos and Maria Benavides P. Diego de Benavides su abuelo and Felipa Delgado
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-J1?i=25&wc=3PSK-N…
Antonia Lopez espanola viuda de Diego Banuelos
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-42?i=29&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrino Diego Banuelos
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-8M?i=31&wc=3PSK-N…
Diego h.l. Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides P. Benito Gonzalez and Felipa Delgado
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6433-9Y?i=32&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrinos Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-JY?i=6&wc=3PSK-N3…
Padrinos Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643S-WX?i=14&wc=3PSK-N…
Antonia hija de la iglesia P. Diego Banuelos y su esposa Maria de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-VM?i=16&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrinos Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643S-WF?i=18&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrinos Diego Banuelos and Maria de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-22?i=23&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrinos Diego de Banuelos and Juana de Renteria
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-5S?i=24&wc=3PSK-N…
Padrinos Diego de Banuelos and Maria de Benavides espanoles
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-J1?i=25&wc=3PSK-N…
Luis espanol h. Diego de Pereira and Felipa Delgado P. Diego de Banuelos?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-643S-XG?i=26&wc=3PSK-N…
Pedro Banuelos widow of Mariana de Santiago is the relative of Luis Benavides, Pedro and Luis are children of two sisters
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-XW3Q-MC?i=290&wc=12512…
Juana Delgado widow of Diego de Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TTJD?i=74&wc=3P9K-T38%…
Baptism Diego son of Diego Pereira and Felipa Padrinos Diego Banuelos, cut-off
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-6439-8M?i=31&wc=3PSK-N…
Also you can look at my tree on Ancestry.com. My username is 245luigi. If you click on individuals, I have sources listed. I'm sure there are some in there that I haven't posted.
Alex
Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado
And this is the dispensa I found for Joseph Benavides
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-6XDS-D?i=229&wc=125126…
Diego Benavides/Juana Delgado
Alex
You've just helped me immensely by giving me the marriage dispensation for Pedro Banuelos and Bartola Flores (de la Torre.) These two are also my ancestors on my Gonzalez de Islas line, so I've been looking for that. I will check out the rest of these records and see what happens. Thank you so much.
~ Andrea
Bartola Flores (de la torre)
Hi Andrea, I am new here... trying to figure out how this works :) I have also as my ancestors Bartola Flores de la Torre and Pedro Bañuelos. I found their marriage and dispensation, and saw that Bartola´s parents were Hernan Flores de la Torre and Maria Magdalena (indigena woman)... I am not sure which Hernán Flores de la Torre is this... I though it was Hernan Flores de la Torre y de Sandi... but I am not sure... do you have any other document or information regarding this?
Laura
Bartola Flores de la Torre
Hi Alex,
I have in my tree Barthola Flores de la Torre and Pedro Bañuelos too, according to their marriage dispense she was the daughter of an indigenous woman named Maria Magdalena and of Hernan Flores de la Torre... I cannot find any other document to confirm which Hernan Flores de la Torre it is... or who are her grandparents... I think she was from Mezquituta but I have not been able to find any information ...
Do you have any information regarding this or idea where I could find it?
Thank you!
Maria Benavides
About 1661 Diego Bañuelos and Maria Benavides were godfather of a child but in 1663 Diego Bañuelos and Ysabel Gonzalez were godfather of a child and in 1665 baptized a Francisco Bañuelos Gonzalez , so Maria Benabides died about 1662.
There were two differents Diego Bañuelos one in Zacatecas the other El Teul, Zacatecas
Ysabel de Salazar and Diego Bañuelos lived in Zacatecas and have illegitimate sons as Baltazar and Bartolome (married August 12th,1680 Tlaltenango).
Ysabel Delgado and Diego Bañuelos (widowed of Maria Benavides) had legitimate sons as Antonio and Francisco.
ANDREA CORTES
Side note, Manny were you able to go through the whole thread? Do you agree on the proposed genealogy?
ANDREA CORTES
Hi Alex,
Thanks for the Juan de Benavides will, I’ve been meaning to check that family out.
Regarding David’s proposal, this latest piece of the puzzle, that Luis de Benavides was married to Andrea Cortes, has stirred my coals a bit, and has changed what I thought about this thread, and what I’ve proposed in others.
First, it gives us an idea of when Luis de Benavides and Andrea Cortes lived, if she was born around 1540. From the timelines, I’d say they are the parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez, and therefore, he was brother of Geronimo de Benavides, and she, likely a sister of his wife, Catalina Cortes. That’s still speculation, but given the small number of Spanish families/ eligible partners living in the area during those early years, I don’t think it’s that far off.
DISPENSA DE GASPAR LOMELIN cc MARIA MEDINILLA
All of this got me thinking, about how in some of these old documents, the word “hermano” was used for “cuñado.” With that in mind, I took a new look at the Gaspar Lomelin/ Maria Medinilla dispensa, which names Geronima Benavides, Luis Benavides, and Catalina Cortes, as “hermanos.” “Catalina Cortes” now stands out like a sore thumb: we know that she was married to Geronimo Benavides, who we know is the brother of Luis de Benavides, and therefore, of Geronima de Benavides, and whose name should appear in this genealogy:
Geronima Benavides-1-Luis Benavides-1-Geronimo Benavides
Mariana Ortiz-2-Geronima Benavides-2-Maria Benavides
Geronimo Aramburu-3-Jacinta Oliva-3-Lucas Lomelin
Diego Aramburu-4-Nicolas Carvajal-4-Gaspar Lomelin
Maria Medinilla-5
That makes a whole lot more sense to me, everything falls neatly into place. With this genealogy, the children of Diego de Benavides cc N.N. are:
a. Luis de Benavides cc Andrea Cortes (parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez..
b. Geronimo de Benavides cc Catalina Cortes I (parents of Maria de Benavides cc Carlos Lomellini; Geronima de Benavides cc Francisco Paez.
c. Geronima de Benavides I cc N.N. (mother of Mariana Ortiz, from whom descend the Aramburu).
Now, it’s a matter of seeing how the other dispensas and known records square up to it. Tell me what you think?
Saludos!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Catalina
Thank you Manny for all your work. I agree with you that “Catalina Cortes” now stands out like a sore thumb”. This would explain calling her an hermana.
Thanks,
Rick A. Ricci
ANDREA CORTES
Just a cursory look at your response, I have a much different genealogy. I have (prior to this new info):
Diego Benavides* parent of:
1. Geronimo Benavides cc. Catalina Cortes parents of
.i. Juan Benavides cc? resulting in an Aguayo branch
.ii.Catalina Cortes cc? leading to Lomelin and Paez branch
.iii. Geronima Benavides cc? leading to Moscoso y Sandoval and Ortiz/Arambulo branch
.iv. Luis Benavides cc? (Andrea Cortes proposed) leading to Yanez and unknown child leading to Jacinta de Cuevas
*I have no confirmation that Diego is the father of Geronimo Benavides
I have not done a timeline analysis as of yet.
Could you explain this bit "From the timelines, I’d say they are the parents of Geronima de Benavides cc Gonzalo Yañez, and therefore, he was brother of Geronimo de Benavides, and she, likely a sister of his wife, Catalina Cortes."
I'm curious if the geneaologies/timelines resolve themselves with Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes having a daughter named Catalina Cortes mother of Maria Benavides cc Carlos Lomelin. Looks like this is where our genealogies differ.
ANDREA CORTES
Hi Alex,
I'm ignoring everything that I think I know about these lines. I'm basing this genealogy on the Gaspar Lomelin/Maria Medinilla dispensa, which names Luis Benavides, Geronima Benavides and Catalina Cortes as siblings. My argument is that this is the 1st generation of these families, and that Catalina Cortes does not belong here, but her husband, Geronimo Benavides.
From what I can tell, Geronima Benavides cc Gonzalo Yanez, Maria Benavides cc Carlos Lomellini and her sister Geronima Benavides cc Francisco Paez were contemporaries, born around the same time, 1590-1600.
Thanks,
Manny Diez Hermosillo
ANDREA CORTES
Manny,
Where do you put Catalina Cortes who married Juan Moscoso y Sandoval in this new genealogy?
Alex
ANDREA CORTES
The reason I ask is because removing the idea that Geronimo and Catalina had a daughter named Catalina in the manner I stated previously changes which families may use the name "Catalina Cortes" in their descendants (previously having Geronimo and Catalina at the very top gave all the branches the "right" to use the name Catalina Cortes).
I'm trying to see if this proposed genealogy is in agreement with which branches use Catalina Cortes and further if it is in agreement with other dispensas
Alex
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Ok I have been able to go to the documentation and I must say this stuff is very impressive!
Some comments and questions:
I agree that Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes had the four children you have compiled. I have no spouses confirmed for the four children. Can you provide insight as to how you have confirmed Isabel de Silva as the wife of Juan Benavides?
Re. Dispensa #1: It was weird the ascendancy of Maria Yanez was not discussed. Her father Juan was a sibling (maybe half sibling) of Jacinta de Oliva. How have you confirmed the ascendancy of Lucas Lomelin to Carlos Lomelin and Maria Benavides?
Re. Dispensa #3: How have you established that Joseph Lomelin is son of the same Domingo Lomelin wed to Juana de Mendoza?
Re. Dispensa #6: How did you confirm the parents of Francisca Duran. I have her parents being Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo but that is only because Los Altos de Jalisco by Sergio Gutierrez show Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo having a daughter named Francesca. I have not confirmed the Francesca Duran's are one and the same. I also do not said Regina Aguayo's parents at all.
Re. Dispensa #7: I just found it quite strange an IM was filed in 1687 with the marriage taking place in 1707. Looks like the parents of the individuals to be wed so looks good.
Re. Aguayo connection: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH59-V?mode=g&i=44&wc=3P9N…
Here is an IM for Regina Aguayo daughter of Andres Duran and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion being wed to Domingo Mejia. There is a witness names Diego de Aguayo age 90 in 1677 and it states that he is Regina's grandfather. Now that cant be right be. Any ideas pertaining to that? I have Andres Duran being the son of Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo. He couldnt be Bisabuelo either because you propose Juan Benavides. Is this actually Regina Aguayo the elder's brother, who is married to Isabel de Arizaga?
Super solid work. The Benavides Cortes riddle is soon to be quite concrete!
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Also interesting to note, Manny's 5b dispensa would fit nicely in your theory should the root siblings be swapped.
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Re. Dispensa 6: I have answered my own question using the dispensa Manny provided on his thread.
1605
Nochistlán. Zac. Junio 17 de 1730. Exp. 38 - Dispensa de cuarto grado de
consanguinidad - Joseph Thadeo Casillas, español de 22 años de edad, oríginano
y vecino de este Curato, hijo legítimo de Vicente Casillas y de Agustina Gómez,
difunta; con María de Aguayo, española de 40 años de edad, originaria y vecina
de este Curato, hija legítima de Bernardino de Aguayo y de Magdalena de la
Dueña, difuntos. ¡Declaración del pretenso; Por ser bisnietos ambos de dos
hermanos que lo fueron Antonio y Regina de Aguayo. Regina tuvo por hija a
Francisca Duran, y Francisca tuvo por hijo a Vicente Casillas. Vicente tuvo por
hijo a Joseph Thadeo pretenso, y Antonio de Aguayo, tuvo por hijo a Antonio de
Aguayo. Antonio tuvo por hijo a Bernardino de Aguayo. Bernardino tuvo por hija a
María de Aguayo pretensa. Se otorgó la dispensa en la Ciudad de Guadalajara. en
4 de juüo de 1730. 11 fojas.
The dispensa shows Francisca Durans parents are Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo. This info in combination with Dispensa #5 would confirm that Regina Aguayo, who married Juan Duran, is the daughter of Juan Benavides. She also has a confirmed brother according to the dispensa I just posted named Antonio and another brother, Diego Aguayo, according to Dispensa #5.
Benevides cortes aguayo
Alex,
Does this mean that Juan Benavides wife was named Aguayo, also since you mention Antonio de Aguayo and Diego de Aguayo, do you think they descend from the conquistadors Antonio de Aguayo, who also had a brother named Diego de Aguayo, mentioned here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA3&dq=%22Aguayo,…
Danny C. Alonso
Benevides cortes aguayo
Danny,
We cannot say with certainty with Juan Benavides wife's last name is.
Additional comment:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH98-1Q?i=89&wc=3P9N-VZ9%3…
In the marriage of Diego de Aguayo son of Diego de Aguayo and Isabel Vergara to Isabel Perez daughter of Sebastian de la Cruz Bermejo and Andrea Gonzalez, there are two witnesses:
Diego Sandoval married to Maria Delgadillo and Antonio Legaspi married to Magdalena Sandoval.
Antonio Legaspi states that the Diego de Aguayo to be wed is his wife's "primo en tercer grado"
The tree would look like:
Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes
Geronima Benavides ----------1--- Juan Benavides (Isabel de Silva)
Catalina Cortes--------------2--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Arizaga)
Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval--3--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Perez)
Magdalena Sandoval-----------4
Is this a primo en terco grado relationship? If so its further confirmation of this theory.
Diego Sandoval (the witness) also provides a relationship (aunque es su sobrino en tercer grado de consanguinidad el contrayente). Im not quite sure what exactly this means.
Benavides Aguayo Cortes
Hi Alex,
I have a very hard time understanding the relationships on the dispensa's and really have difficulty following the trees, but I'm trying to see if this changes the relationships of my ancestor Juana Vasquez de Sandoval, daughter of Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes and wife of Andres Duran, son of Juan Simon Duran and Regina de Aguayo. Who are they saying Catalina Cortes (wife of Juan Moscoso) is the daughter of? And, who are they saying Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Duran) is the daughter of?
Paige
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
I've been working on this all weekend and this is a very solid theory. I am to the point where I am comfortable putting this information in my own tree.
The sole primary source that I know of that appears to affect the theory is the mention that Diego de Aguayo is Regina's grandfather (See Re. Aguayo connection). This made me question as to if Andres Duran was actually the child of Juan Duran and Regina Aguayo. And if there was an Aguayo line that was being tangled up in this mess.
I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up disproving that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is not the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is who are Andres Duran's parents?
Dispensa #A: Here is a dispensa for Lucas Abelar looking to wed Maria Josepha Gutierrez.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-65XJ-5?i=159&wc=12512749&c…
Given Tree:
Maria Duran-1-Andres Duran
Maria Munoz-2-Salvadora Duran
Getrudis Ramirez-3-Maria Theresa Gonzalez
Lucas Abelar-4-Maria Josepha Gutierrez
Salvadora Duran was born in 1672 to Andres Duran and Juana Sandoval so she is the sister of Regina Aguayo who married Domingo Mejia.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVQH-F2G
She wed in 1692 to Bernabe Gonzalez
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JZXX-N9L
Dispensa #B: Here is a dispensa for Tomas de Aguayo looking to wed Nicolasa Munoz, widow of Juan Gonzalez.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VT92-DP?mode=g&cc=1874591
Given tree:
Diego de Aguayo-1-Regina Aguayo-2-Antonio Aguayo
Nicolas Aguayo-2-Maria Duran-2-Isabel Aguayo
Tomas Aguayo-3-Nicolas Munoz-3-Pedro Gutierrez
-------------4-Nicolasa Munoz-4-Juan Gutierrez
Now the combination of Dispensa's A and B show us that the mother of Maria Duran and Andres Duran of Dispensa A is Regina Aguayo who had Maria in 1640 with Juan Duran
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NYYH-CH3
Therefore, Diego de Aguayo named in the IM cannot be an Abuelo as those are Juan Duran and Juan Moscoso y Sandoval.
Another thing I noticed was that Andres Duran and Juana de la Asuncion should have been dispensed when they are married according to the proposed ancestry. The tree would look like:
Geronimo Beanvides and Catalina Cortes
Juan Benavides-1-Geronima Benavides
Regina Aguayo-2-Catalina Cortes
Andres Duran-3-Juana Vasquez de la Asuncion Moscoso y Sandoval
This dispensa would be a homerun if it could be found!
So the only primary source document that appears to give conflicting information looks like it has been disproved.
Last question, anyone have a primary source including Isabel Silva besides Diego de Aguayo's marriage to Isabel Beatriz? I'm curious because I haven't found Isabel Vergara Arizaga using the name Beatriz and haven't been able to connect Isabel Silva in any other way.
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Alex,
are you saying that Andrés Durán is not the son of Juan Ximón Durán and Regina de Aguayo? on the Wikitree biography for Regina de Aguayo, the padrón of 1649 in Nochistlán seems to show him as their son:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Aguayo-12
Danny C. Alonso
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Danny,
Im saying that provided additional proof that Juan Duran is the father of Andres Duran! And added that Diego de Aguayo is not Andres' father according to the records.
Alex
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Danny,
Im saying that provided additional proof that Juan Duran is the father of Andres Duran! And added that Diego de Aguayo is not Andres' father according to the records.
Alex
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
I believe the source of the confusion is this paragraph, which I cannot edit:
"I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up disproving that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is not the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is who are Andres Duran's parents?"
It should read:
I looked to disprove or prove this fact on my own. I ended up PROVING that Diego de Aguayo, the witness in the IM is NOT the grandfather of Regina Aguayo, daughter of Andres and Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion (I still have no idea who Diego de Aguayo is though). I assume here that everyone is in agreement that the parents of Juana Vasquez de la Ascencion's parents are Juan Moscoso y Sandoval and Catalina Cortes so the question is who are Andres Duran's parents?
Sorry!!
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Alex, thank you, I wasn't sure. and i agree with Paige, sometimes the dispensas are too hard to follow with so many of the same people with the same names. But I do agree this is great research. David and you have really put a lot of effort at solving this.
Danny C. Alonso
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Danny
The trick for me in analyzing the proposed genealogy was to go through all the dispensas cited in the original post and draw the trees using only the information provided in the dispensas. After you have done that, it all really falls into place quite elegantly despite there being individuals with the same name.
Its those secondary sources that messed with the Benavides line!
Alex
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Hi Alex,
I know the question was asked whether Juan Benavides was married to an Aguayo and you said that we can't say for sure what his wife's name was, but, it looks like at some points in the thread that Ysabel de Silva is married to Juan Benavides, is that right?
Mia M.
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
I should preface that I am no expert in the Aguayo genealogy. I've only really dove into it since this was posted.
Here are the facts:
There is a marriage record for a Diego de Aguayo son of Isabel de Silva, widow, marrying Isabel Beatriz, daughter of Isabel, widow.
ASSUMING Isabel Beatriz of the marriage record is Isabel Vergara Arziaga, then Juan Benavides married Isabel de Silva.
Adding further evidence to this theory is that a grandaughter of Juan Benavidez and unconfirmed Isabel de Silva is Isabel Aguayo who married Miguel Gutierrez. She uses both the Aguayo and Silva surname. (Silva surname is used in the marriage of their son Pedro to Maria Rodriguez in 1671, sorry I don't have links to the documents at the moment).
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
245Luigi:
There are several dispensations that confirm that: Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran) are siblings. We know from the marriage of Diego de Aguayo to Ysabel de Arizaga, dated 18 May 1633, that Diego de Aguayo's mother (and ultimately Diego, Antonio, and Regina de Aguayo's mother) is named as "Ysabel de Silva" and that she is a widow.
In my Dispensas 5, 6, and 7, we have Ysabel de Aguayo, Carlos Casillas, and Maria Duran who are all described as being related in the 4th degree to Petronila de Isla, Magdalena Sandoval, and Juan Sandoval. We already know that Petronila de Isla, Magdalena Sandoval, and Juan Sandoval, are all grandchildren of Catalina Cortes (III) (wife of Juan Moscoso de Sandoval)-- who is the daughter of Geronima de Benavides (I) as per my Despensas 1 & 2. That left open the question: What 4th degree ancestor did Ysabel de Aguayo, Carlos Casillas, and Maria Duran have in common?: Ysabel de Silva. Than meant that Juan de Benavides must be her husband. (The only other possibility is that Ysabel de Aguayo, Carlos Casillas, and Maria Duran share Juan de Benavides as a 4th degree ancestor via another line, but they do not seem to have any other common great-grandmother other than Ysabel de Silva. So again, Juan de Benavides must be the husband of Ysabel de Silva.)
RE RE Dispensa 1. It is not weird that the ascendancy of Mariana Yanez is not discussed. The Dispensa is covering Maria Medinilla's marriage to her second husband Gasper Lomelin (who just so happens to be related to her and her first husband); the dispensa is not covering Maria Medinilla's marriage to her first husband, Nicolas Carvajal, which was a double relationship -- only the closer relationship was via a different line. I think Maria Yanez's father Juan Yanez was a half sibling to Jacinta de Oliva (Yanez) (I forget where this is shown).
RE RE Dispensa 3. Domingo Lomelin is named as the brides grandfather in the Dispensa. Taking this info with Holcombe's couple, Carlos Lomolin and Maria de Benavides, then plugging this Maria de Benavides back into my Dispensa 1 provides that Lucas de Lomelin is the son of Carlos Lomelin and Maria de Benavides, daughter of Catalina Cortes (II)(with no known husband), daughter of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes (I).
RE RE Dispensa 6. You found the proof that Francisca Duran is the daughter of Juan Duran and Regina de Aguayo, using the Dispensa that Manny provided. For good measure, here is another dispensa that passes through Regina's brother Diego, and through Regina's daughter Francisca.
Seen here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-619B-Y?i=615&cc=1874591
RE RE Dispensa 7. It is strange, but the date on the (IM) is 1687 and the date on the (MAR) is 1707.
RE RE Aguayo Connection. I agree. This Diego de Aguayo (ca 1587 -- aft. 1677) cannot possibly be the grandfather of Regina de Aguayo/Duran since we already know her two grandfathers to be Juan Ximon Duran and Juan Moscoso de Sandoval. This MUST BE A SCRIBAL ERROR. I think this is THE SPECIFIC DOCUMENT that lead to the secondary sources concluding that he must be her great-grandfather, and thus a supposed husband of Ysabel de Silva. This cannot be true since Ysabel de Silva is shown earlier to be a widow as of 1633. I think this Diego is the same Diego who is described as age 97 in 1687 (born ca. 1590) and age 110 in 1694 (born ca. 1584). I think he is Regina de Aguayo's older brother.
Looking at the birth range of her children, Regina de Aguayo's birth year would range between 1590 and 1610. Looking at the death record of Regina's sister-in-law Luisa de Isla (wife of Antonio de Aguayo), she died in 1676 and is described as a widow age 90 (so she was born ca. 1586).
Seen here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TTG8?mode=g&i=49&cc=1804458
I would assume that Luisa de Isla's late husband Antonio was probably born about the same time. Looking at all three siblings: Diego de Aguayo (born ca. 1584/1587/1590), Antonio de Aguayo (born ca. 1586), and Regina de Aguayo (born ca. between 1590-1610), chronologically it makes sense.
I am glad you brought up the (IM) for Diego de Aguayo marrying Isabel Perez. Seen here:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-TH98-1Q?mode=g&i=89&wc=3P9…
In it the testigo, Antonio de Legaspi, says that Diego de Aguayo (husband of Isabel Perez) is "primo en trecer grado" to his wife Magdalena de Labesares/Gonzalez/Sandoval. "Primo en trecer grado" is a general term which today is equivalent to the English term: "third cousin". Back in the 1600's it could also mean: "second cousin." More importantly, the other testigo, Deigo de Sandoval, describes the relationship as "subrino en trecer grado." "Subrino en trecer grado" is a more specific term which is exactly equivalent to the English term: "second cousin once removed." This is the exact relationship shown in the tree below.
Trunk: Geronimo Benavides and Catalina Cortes
Geronima Benavides ----------1--- Juan Benavides (Isabel de Silva)
Catalina Cortes--------------2--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Arizaga)
Cecilia Vasquez de Sandoval--3--- Diego de Aguayo (Isabel Perez)
Magdalena Sandoval-----------4
It fits the bill!
Here is a good chart on Spanish terms of relation:
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Nomenclatura_de_parentesco_en_espa%…
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So though it seems strange, I still feel that Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran) are all the children of Juan de Benavides and Ysabel de Silva -- and that the supposed Diego de Aguayo who is said to be the husband of Ysabel de Silva might not exist. It is that one 1677 (IM) record that must have a scribal error that has lead many to believe that the ancient Diego de Aguayo was Ysabel de Silva's husband, when he must really be her son.
We are left with the question of where the surname "Aguayo" comes from. It might be a family surname that was carried further back in the pedigrees of Juan de Benavides or Ysabel de Silva. We see this phenomenon with the descendants of Francisco Gonzalez and Magdalena de Labesaris. Many of their descendants sporadically appear with the surnames: "Martinez," "Baca," and "Lozano." All seemed strange until, via other overlapping dispenses and padrinos, we were able to show that Francisco Gonzalez came from the Lozano trunk -- a family which also carried the Martinez and Baca surnames.
We simply do not have enough information currently to know the exact origin of "Aguayo" in this line. Nor do we yet know what connection, if any, these Aguayo's might have with the conquistador Antonio de Aguayo. (Secondary sources name Geronimo de Benavides' father as Diego de Benavides. I wonder if this Diego "de Benavides" could be an alias for Diego "de Aguayo" who was a brother of the conquistador Antonio de Aguayo. Or maybe the conquistador Antonio de Aguayo is related to Ysabel de Silva in some way. Either way, more research would be needed to prove a connection.)
I would like to point out that this is not the first time I have seen a family line suddenly change surnames without warning. A good example of this comes from a couple I am not too familiar with: Juan de Ulloa and Josefa Baustista Gonzales de Ruvalcaba. Many of their descendants begin using the surname "Marquez de los Olivos" despite that name not appearing in their traceable pedigrees. Another example of this, are the descendants of Hernan Sanchez Rico and Leonor Duran whose descendants begin using the surname "Chaves" as they populated New Mexico; yet, neither Hernan or Leonor's parents appear to carry the surname "Chaves." There is another family called "Marquez" from Colotlan whose descendants start using the surname "Huisar." There is also another family called "Nieto" from San Luis Potosi, one branch of which begins using the surname "Cedillo".
Changing surnames, though not common, is not an entirely unknown practice in colonial Mexico.
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
ALSO:
Ysabel de Silva/Aguayo is confirmed as per the following dispensa:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-VT92-DP?mode=g&i=86&cc=187…
Tree:
Trunk: Juan de Benavides & Ysabel de Silva
Antono de Aguayo-1-Regina de Aguayo
Ysabel de Silva/Aguayo-2-Maria Duran
Pedro Gutierrez-3-Nicolas Munoz
Juan Gutierrez-4-Nicolasa Munoz
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
David,
Thank you for adding this additional explanation to your already excellent research. Now, this all makes complete sense. This is amazing work. Thank you also Alex for answering many of my questions. Excellent job everyone.
Paige
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Thank you for the very thorough response. Could you please explain the confirmation for Isabel de Silva in the 2nd paragraph of your reply?
I agree via primary source that Diego de Aguayo (husband of Ysabel de Arizaga), Antonio de Aguayo (husband of Luisa de Isla), and Regina de Aguayo (wife of Juan Ximon Duran) are siblings and children of Juan Benavides. I dont understand how the dispensas tie in Isabel de Silva. For example is Juan Benavides was married to another woman besides Isabel de Silva, the dispensas would read the same.
There is the marriage of Diego de Aguayo son of Isabel Silva marrying Isabel Beatriz but there isnt enough info in it to claim this is the marriage of Diego de Aguayo and Isabel de Arizaga Vergara. I actually believe this is their marriage record, I'm just curious if there is a primary source tying Isabel Silva to the siblings. The fact a granddaughter uses the name Isabel Silva really convinces me.
Side Question: I dont have any documents including Andres Cuevas and Maria Benavides. Could you share?
Thank you
Alex
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Thank you David and Alex for piecing this puzzle together.
Danny C. Alonso
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Danny:
Hypothetically, Ysabel de Silva (wife of Juan de Benavides) could be the daughter of an Aguayo and a Silva. However, we need some kind of primary evidence for this. It would be hard to say exactly where Aguayo is coming from at this point. It may come from further back in Juan or Ysabel's pedigrees then we currently know of. Such was the case with Ynes Martinez Baca/Isla (wife of Cristobal Mexia) who was carrying the name of her great-grandmother Ynes Martinez Baca (wife of Juan Lozano).
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Alex:
The dispensas do not tie to Ysabel de Silva because they do not pass through her, per se. I am using the 1633 marriage of Diego de Aguayo, which names his mother as Ysabel de Silva. I am also using the fact that Antonio de Aguayo and Luisa de Isla's daughter uses the name Ysabel de Silva as confirmation that Antonio, Diego, and Regina's mother is also named Ysabel de Silva.
Andres de Cueva appears as the husband of Maria de Benavides when they are Padrinos to the baptism of Juan (son of Juan Rodriguez and Caterina Yanez) in Nochistlan 1678, image 377.
Link:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939N-G1VF-D?mode=g&i=376&wc=3P9…
Remember this Maria de Benavides (II) (wife of Andres de Cueva) is the daughter of N.N. de Benavides, and granddaughter of Luis de Benavides, great-granddaughter of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes (I). She is not the same Maria de Benavides (I) (wife of Carlo Lomelin) who was the daughter of Catalina Cortes (II) (with an unknown spouse), granddaughter of Geronimo de Benavides and Catalina Cortes (I).
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Thank you again for the reply and clarifying all of the available sources. I'm seeing the same thing and making the same conclusions. Great work! I've changed my tree to reflect this updated genealogy.
Some more pieces for the puzzle:
There is the Catalina Cortes who passed away in 1652 who you discussed in the original post. I'm betting she is the Catalina Cortes who is the mother of Maria Benavides (Carlos Lomelin) and grandmother of Francisco Paez (Francisca Sanchez Carranza).
In the 1649 Census of Nochistlan, Maria Benavides cc (Carlos Lomelin) is a widow and in her household are:
Maria de Lomelin cc and her husband Nicolas de Contreras cc (explictly stated)
Juana Lomelin N
Ines de Contreras N
Jose de Lomelin N
Catalina Cortes cc, widow
cc = confession and communion, c = confession, N = none (this assists in giving an indication of age)
Source: Los Altos de Jalisco, Padrones Parroquiales Del Siglo XVII, By Sergio Gutierrez, Vol 1, Pg 27.
Given the updated genealogy, I dont think it would be too big of a leap to conclude the Catalina in this household is probably Maria Benavides' mother rather than grandmother who is living in 1649. She would then pass 3 years later according to the record.
Next door is:
Juan de Caravajal cc
Jacinta de Oliva, his wife cc
Lorenzo de Caravajal
Jose de Caravajal cc
Cristobal de Caravajal c
Pedro de Caravajal c
Nicolas de Caravajal c
Geronima de Caravajal c
Juan de Caravajal N
Francisco de Benavides cc
Geronima de Benavides cc
Agustin Yanez c
Jacinta de Oliva N
Maria Ana N
Tomasa de Oliva N
Source: Los Altos de Jalisco, Padrones Parroquiales Del Siglo XVII, By Sergio Gutierrez, Vol 1, Pg 27.
I already have Juan de Caravajal and Jacinta de Oliva, daughter of Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and Geronima Benavides in my tree along with children Jose - Juan in the list above. I don't have Lorenzo; perhaps he is a son that I am just missing. Francisco and Geronima Benavides are unexplained and I'm curious as to who they may be.
Anoyone have an estimate as to when Gonzalo Yanez del Monte and his wife passed away?
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Here's a Lorenzo de Carvajal:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/De_Carvajal-17
Danny C. Alonso
Re: Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo Revisited & Revised (My Two Cents)
Guau. This is amazing. This will take a few days for me to sift through - I haven’t touched these lines, since I started that thread, so I have a lot of catching up to do. But what I’ve seen, makes sense.
Thanks, all of you, for sharing!
Manny Diez Hermosillo
Benevides/Cortés/Aguayo
Alex and David
This answer makes me wonder something. Since we know there's multiple Catalina Cortés's and multiple Benavides with the same name and since it seems like Ysabel de Silva is the wife of Juan de Benavides and mother of Regina de Aguayo and the other Aguayos and it seems unlikely that Juan de Benavides is the actual source of Aguayo, could it be that there actually is a Diego de Aguayo married to an Ysabel de Silvia and that the Ysabel de Silvia that's married to Juan de Benavides is actually the daughter of the first Ysabel de Silva?
Danny C. Alonso
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Its great that this has been reworked! I havent been able to sit down and review it yet but I'm very excited to do so!
Benavides/Cortes/Aguayo
Thanks to David, Manny Ronnie, and others for straightening out this mess. I descend from most, if not all, of these lines multiple times. I really appreciate the work done to straighten out these lines. the mess that secondary sources made of these lines is similar to the mess many secondary sources made with the Pantoja Merlo lines.
Thanks again,
Rick A. Ricci
Benavides Cortes Aguayo
Genealogist
thank you for your research. i think a lot of it makes sense but i think some of it like the part where Juan Benavides is the patriarch of the Aguayo family seems unusual. i would really like to hear what Manny Diez has to say about this post. also, i want to know what you think of the conquistador Antonio de Aguayo, who also had a brother named Diego de Aguayo, and what you think his relationship is to these Aguayo's. Antonio de Aguayo was a conqueror of Nueva Galicia:
https://books.google.com/books?id=8IpnAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA3&dq=%22Aguayo,…
Danny C. Alonso