Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Thanks.
I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
Daniel
Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Thanks.
Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI entry
but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About 1695",
in Jalos.
>
> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own
> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction
> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are
> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking
> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> Daniel
> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
>
>
>
>
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals
> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel
> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris. of Lagos.
Daniel
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI entry
> but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About 1695",
> in Jalos.
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own
>> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction
>> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are
>> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking
>> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
>> Daniel
>> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
>>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>> >
>>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals
>> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel
>> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de
>> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who wasn't
in the IGI database.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino < mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no
> one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an
> article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look
> at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos
> de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris.
> of Lagos.
> Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease
> visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> entry
> > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> 1695",
> > in Jalos.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its
> own
> >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> direction
> >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they
> are
> >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> checking
> >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> >> Daniel
> >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> anytime?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >> >
> >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> individuals
> >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor
> Manuel
> >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez
> de
> >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:47:15 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
> copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
> look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
> your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
> this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
> was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who wasn't
> in the IGI database.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> > for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no
> > one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an
> > article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> > certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look
> > at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos
> > de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris.
> > of Lagos.
> > Daniel
> >
> > To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease
> > visit www.mormon.org
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > >
> > > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> > entry
> > > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> > 1695",
> > > in Jalos.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its
> > own
> > >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> > direction
> > >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they
> > are
> > >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> > checking
> > >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> > >> Daniel
> > >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> > anytime?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > >> >
> > >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> > individuals
> > >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor
> > Manuel
> > >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez
> > de
> > >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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I have what I've recently gathered from online sources:
Melchor Manuel Perez de Paredes( born abt 1695, died prior to 6 May,
1760P md Juana Maria Martin del Campo (died 7 Apr, 1764), in Jalos., Jal.,
8 May 1719
Pts.: Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo
Gpts: Alonso Perez and Luisa Paredes
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Francisca Renteria Mojica
I descend from Melchor and Maria's son, Nicolas Ysidro Perez>Jose Ignacio
Perez>Juana Neponcena Perez md Jose de la Trinidad Ruiz 5 May, 1829,
Yahualica, my 3ggpts.
Other than other children I found, that is the extent of my info. I
eventually want to locate all the film entries. Do you have more?
>
> I have Melchor's genealogy if you need but do not have a baptismal date or
> record.
>
> I learned as a newbie many years ago that the IGI is not complete and does
>
> not contain all records for each film, only certain extractions, hence why
> Im going
>
> back and extracting everything myself, it has been fun and have learned so
>
> much, many pieces start coming together.
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
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>
> please visit www.mormon.org
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>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:47:15 -0400
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
> > copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
> > look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
> > your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
> > this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
> > was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who
> wasn't
> > in the IGI database.
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond.
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> > > for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that
> no
> > > one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish
> an
> > > article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> > > certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont
> look
> > > at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the
> LAgos
> > > de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the
> jurris.
> > > of Lagos.
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
> Saintsplease
> > > visit www.mormon.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > > > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> > > entry
> > > > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> > > 1695",
> > > > in Jalos.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > > > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become
> its
> > > own
> > > >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> > > direction
> > > >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since
> they
> > > are
> > > >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> > > checking
> > > >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> > > >> Daniel
> > > >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> > > anytime?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > > >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > > >> >
> > > >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> > > individuals
> > > >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for
> Melchor
> > > Manuel
> > > >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina
> Gonzalez
> > > de
> > > >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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Jalos was a parish since the late 1500's. Prior to that they belonged to the Teocaltiche parish but separated. The new parish had seven indian town such as San Juan de los Lagos, Teocaltitan, San Gaspar, Jalos and San Miguel el Alto. This fact comes for the new edition of the Jalos history book by Jose Antonio Gutierrez.
Unfortunately many of the records were destroyed by a fire in the late 1600. Only two great records that have genealogical information is the Cofradia de las Animas which was founded circa 1628 and libro de defunciones which start in the late 1650s. Both of those records survived the fire. Other older records can be found in the Sagrada Mitra in Guadalajara, such as padrones which I have copies of.
A cuanto la pregunta: Me recuerdo que leí en unas notas hace años que los registros pre 1698 se inculyeron a los de Santa María de los Lagos que era la cabecera de la jurisdicción parroquial. Conste que encontramos gente de Xalostotitlán llegar a buatizarse y casarse en esos años. Tengo copias de notas de don Guillermo Padilla Origel de sus extracciones de Xalostotitlán, Tepatitlán y otros sitios cercanos, hombre que me ha ayudado bastante.
No creo que los registros pre 1698 de la parroquia de Jalos se encuentren en Lagos. El ejemplo perfecto es que Jalos cuenta con los registros de defuncion que empiezan en 1657. Aparte tengo imagenes de la Cofradia de las animas fundada circa 1628 donde dicen que Jalos tiene su propio cura beneficiado.
Lo que si es cierto es que Jalos pertenicia a la jurisdicion de Lagos pero en lo politico. El alcalde mayor era de Lagos mientras que los pueblos de su jurisdicion tenian teniente de alcalde mayor. En lo religioso, Jalos era independiente de Lagos.
Posiblemente tu estas cofundiendo lo religioso con lo politico.
Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
Daniel
Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo. Thanks.
Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI entry
but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About 1695",
in Jalos.
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own
> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction
> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are
> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking
> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> Daniel
> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
>
>
>
>
>
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals
> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel
> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de
> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris. of Lagos.
Daniel
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> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI entry
> but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About 1695",
> in Jalos.
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its own
>> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the direction
>> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they are
>> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try checking
>> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
>> Daniel
>> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help anytime?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
>>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
>>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>> >
>>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for individuals
>> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor Manuel
>> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de
>> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who wasn't
in the IGI database.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no
> one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an
> article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look
> at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos
> de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris.
> of Lagos.
> Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease
> visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> entry
> > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> 1695",
> > in Jalos.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its
> own
> >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> direction
> >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they
> are
> >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> checking
> >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> >> Daniel
> >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> anytime?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >> >
> >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> individuals
> >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor
> Manuel
> >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez
> de
> >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
I have Melchor's genealogy if you need but do not have a baptismal date or record.
I learned as a newbie many years ago that the IGI is not complete and does
not contain all records for each film, only certain extractions, hence why Im going
back and extracting everything myself, it has been fun and have learned so
much, many pieces start coming together.
Daniel
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please visit www.mormon.org
> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:47:15 -0400
> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
>
> He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
> copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
> look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
> your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
> this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
> was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who wasn't
> in the IGI database.
>
> Thanks for taking the time to respond.
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> > for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that no
> > one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish an
> > article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> > certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont look
> > at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the LAgos
> > de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the jurris.
> > of Lagos.
> > Daniel
> >
> > To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saintsplease
> > visit www.mormon.org
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > >
> > > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> > entry
> > > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> > 1695",
> > > in Jalos.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become its
> > own
> > >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> > direction
> > >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since they
> > are
> > >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> > checking
> > >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> > >> Daniel
> > >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> > anytime?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > >> >
> > >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> > individuals
> > >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for Melchor
> > Manuel
> > >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez
> > de
> > >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
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Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
I have what I've recently gathered from online sources:
Melchor Manuel Perez de Paredes( born abt 1695, died prior to 6 May,
1760P md Juana Maria Martin del Campo (died 7 Apr, 1764), in Jalos., Jal.,
8 May 1719
Pts.: Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo
Gpts: Alonso Perez and Luisa Paredes
Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo and Francisca Renteria Mojica
I descend from Melchor and Maria's son, Nicolas Ysidro Perez>Jose Ignacio
Perez>Juana Neponcena Perez md Jose de la Trinidad Ruiz 5 May, 1829,
Yahualica, my 3ggpts.
Other than other children I found, that is the extent of my info. I
eventually want to locate all the film entries. Do you have more?
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
>
> I have Melchor's genealogy if you need but do not have a baptismal date or
> record.
>
> I learned as a newbie many years ago that the IGI is not complete and does
>
> not contain all records for each film, only certain extractions, hence why
> Im going
>
> back and extracting everything myself, it has been fun and have learned so
>
> much, many pieces start coming together.
>
>
>
> Daniel
>
> To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints
>
> please visit www.mormon.org
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 16:47:15 -0400
> > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> >
> > He doesn't show up on the IGI for Lagos. Maybe as I eventually collect
> > copies of baptismal records for his kids I may get a hint about where to
> > look. Since a couple of my maternal g'mos lines come from Jalos, I'm sure
> > your info will eventually be helpful. I don't have the time to devote to
> > this that I would like, but I do like looking at the film entry itself. I
> > was once surprised to learn that one of my ancestors had a twin who
> wasn't
> > in the IGI database.
> >
> > Thanks for taking the time to respond.
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 12:48 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I have the same entry for Melchor, the IGI, I for one use the IGI
> > > for"basic" genealogy but atually viewing records and making finds that
> no
> > > one else has actually is a bit more fun, I'm going to hopefullypublish
> an
> > > article later this year on my new findings. I have baptismalrecords for
> > > certain early 1600s people that one has found simplybecause they dont
> look
> > > at much microfilm and only rely on IGI.I bet Melchor would be in the
> LAgos
> > > de Moreno baptismal records,since prior ti 1698 Jalos was under the
> jurris.
> > > of Lagos.
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > To learn more about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day
> Saintsplease
> > > visit www.mormon.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:23:13 -0400
> > > > From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying that you have Melchor in your database? I found an IGI
> > > entry
> > > > but it is a personal one rather than an extraction, and lists "About
> > > 1695",
> > > > in Jalos.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Daniel Mendez de Camino <
> > > > mendezdelcamino@live.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> I think they wont be in Jalostotilan, I think Jalos did not become
> its
> > > own
> > > >> parishuntil around that time you stated. It used to be under the
> > > direction
> > > >> of Santa Mariade los Lagos. So you can try there? My best bet since
> they
> > > are
> > > >> altenos they canalmost go anywhere around the all of Los Altos, try
> > > checking
> > > >> nearby parishesthat have records earlier!
> > > >> Daniel
> > > >> Do you need help with Melchor Manuel's genealogy, im glad to help
> > > anytime?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > >>> From: ruiz.raquel061@gmail.com
> > > >>> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:59:44 -0700
> > > >>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jalostotitlan records prior to 1698
> > > >> >
> > > >>> Can someone tell me where I might find baptismal records for
> > > individuals
> > > >> born in Jalos prior to 1698? I am trying to find a record for
> Melchor
> > > Manuel
> > > >> Peres de Paredes, son of Agustin Perez de Paredes and Catalina
> Gonzalez
> > > de
> > > >> Hermosillo. Thanks.
> > > >>> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Jalos records prior to 1698
Jalos was a parish since the late 1500's. Prior to that they belonged to the Teocaltiche parish but separated. The new parish had seven indian town such as San Juan de los Lagos, Teocaltitan, San Gaspar, Jalos and San Miguel el Alto. This fact comes for the new edition of the Jalos history book by Jose Antonio Gutierrez.
Unfortunately many of the records were destroyed by a fire in the late 1600. Only two great records that have genealogical information is the Cofradia de las Animas which was founded circa 1628 and libro de defunciones which start in the late 1650s. Both of those records survived the fire. Other older records can be found in the Sagrada Mitra in Guadalajara, such as padrones which I have copies of.
Hope this helps.
Sergio Gutierrez
Jalos records prior to 1698
A cuanto la pregunta: Me recuerdo que leí en unas notas hace años que los registros pre 1698 se inculyeron a los de Santa María de los Lagos que era la cabecera de la jurisdicción parroquial. Conste que encontramos gente de Xalostotitlán llegar a buatizarse y casarse en esos años. Tengo copias de notas de don Guillermo Padilla Origel de sus extracciones de Xalostotitlán, Tepatitlán y otros sitios cercanos, hombre que me ha ayudado bastante.
Daniel Méndez Camino
Jalos records prior to 1698
No creo que los registros pre 1698 de la parroquia de Jalos se encuentren en Lagos. El ejemplo perfecto es que Jalos cuenta con los registros de defuncion que empiezan en 1657. Aparte tengo imagenes de la Cofradia de las animas fundada circa 1628 donde dicen que Jalos tiene su propio cura beneficiado.
Lo que si es cierto es que Jalos pertenicia a la jurisdicion de Lagos pero en lo politico. El alcalde mayor era de Lagos mientras que los pueblos de su jurisdicion tenian teniente de alcalde mayor. En lo religioso, Jalos era independiente de Lagos.
Posiblemente tu estas cofundiendo lo religioso con lo politico.
Sergio Gutierrez