Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.
Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?
En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.
Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.
Gracias de antemano.
P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.
PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION
Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),
Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".
My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution.
What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
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Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.
Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?
En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana.
Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.
Gracias de antemano.
P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.
PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION
Emilie:
Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).
By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?
Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 11:25 AM> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > > > Hola a todos, soy Alessandro y soy nuevo en el grupo. Deseo hacerme presente para estar en contacto con toda aquella persona que pueda estar interesada o relacionada con mis lineas genealogicas. Yo he investigado mi genealogía por varios años y he logrado buenos avances, los cuales estaría contento de compartir con ustedes. Como la mayoria debe saber, hay ocaciones que las lineas de investigacion soy muy prodigas (gracias a los magnificos archivos y registros) y otras son muy pobres y se atoran con facilidad. Este es el caso de mi apellido paterno para el cual pido ayuda a aquellos mas versados. Se trata del apellido VITELA, mu abuelo fue Concepcion VITELA y nacio en 1900 en El Batan, Zapopan, Jalisco, fue hijo de Francisco VITELA nacido en 1866 - 1868 en JALPA, ZAC. y Juana VILLARREAL, y nieto de Gorgonio/Aurelio VITELA y Fermina/Emigdia LOPEZ de Zacateas tambien.> > Entre lo que he investigado se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información. Lamentablemente es con lo que me he topado al investigar y no he podido avanzar en esta linea. Los microfilmes que pude ver incluso tienen paginas quemadas que se rescataron y llegan precisamente como al año 1860. Pido su ayuda para poder buscar de otra manera o en otro lado donde pueda conseguir mas datos. Sabe alguien o tiene infomacion sobre los VITELA de Jalpa o Miguel Auza (Mezquital del Oro) Zacatecas?> > En Miguel Auza encontre una gran cantidad de VITELA pero lamentablemente no he podido hacer ninguna coneccion con los mios por los nombres, no estoy seguro que sean de la misma famili (aunque yo creo que si, mi intuicion me lo dice), Miguel Auza parece ser una "fuente" de partida de esta familia que se dice es de origen italiana. > > Ojala alguien pueda orientarme o contribuir a mi investigación.> > Gracias de antemano.> > P.D. I SPEACK ENGLISH TOO, SO FEEL FREE TO REPLAY IN THAT LENGUAGE.> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> ----- Original Message ----- > From: viteliky
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Alessandro,
Thank you for the explanation.
The ancestors of my father that I think were Italian (not in Jalpa, but in Zacatecas, where my father was born) were Suriano and Lucio.
Emilie
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From: ALESSANDRO VITELA-TOSCANO
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION
Emilie:
Thanks for writing back. What I can tell you about the burned records in zacates is that exactly that happened based on the revolution. You are right saying that the cristeros were on the church side, I expressed myself wrong, I should have said instead "LA Cristeada" which evoques the cristeros accions on the church's side against the government regulations. The main problen then, was the new regulations based on the revolutions took the authority and properties of the church. Besides, it restricted the "free- public cult" and that is why the soldiers (governnment) burned many records as an imposition of the new regulations. Priests had to hide and were under persecution, when found were murdered and their records burned (some of them as martirs).
By the way, which italian family are you looking for in Jalpa?
Best regards.
LIC. ALESSANDRO VITELA> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 16:15:10 -0700> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PRESENTACION / INTRODUCTION> > Alessandro, (both your first and last names are Italian),> > Welcome to the group. I don't speak or write Spanish well, so I hope you can help me understand the statement you made: "se que Zacatecas es uno de los estados mas golpeados y dañados sus archivos por los cristeros, muchos de ellos acabaron en el fuego y perdiendose la información".> > My father was from Jerez, Zacatecas, and he had some surnames in his lines that were Italian (not Vitela). I can't even find a record of his birth in 1903 or his sisters birth in 1898 or a record of the marriage of his parents. Like you said, I think you said, the records only go back from 1860? More recent records from 1860 to 1913 seem to be missing. A priest told my father that the records in his church were burned during the Revolution. > > What happened? Who were the cristeros, and why did they burn the records? I thought the records were burned by the Revolutionaries who were against the Church and the Government, and I thought the cristeros were on the side of the priests and the church records.> > Emilie> Port Orchard, WA> -----
Ser de Luz!!!> From: auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
Introduction
Hello all.
I'm finally getting around to introducing myself and the beginnings of my family research:
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17213
It's very exciting to see how far some have been able to take their histories. Although I'm just getting started in my research, I hope that at some point, something I've found out will help someone else.
Happy hunting,
Rebecca
Introduction
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
I have been doing Genealogy for 5 years and found my roots from my mother and father side are from Jalostotitlan, Jalisco area. I have my genealogy file in the files area of the group under, "Cuellar, Danny" but you can find it directly at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17260
So far I gone up to the 1700's and hopefully would like to go back even further to find my ancestors that came from Spain.
Introduction
Hello Danny, there goes a big applause for your great job and presentation!
Leticia Leon
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La guía completa para tu vida en Mujer de Hoy.
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Introduction
My name is Mike Gordoa Jr. and I am seeking the family of my father, Miguel Gordoa Acosta.My father was born 29 September 1908 in the vicinity of the Hacienda Pasjae near Pedricenas, Durango (from baptismal record ). He was the son of Alfredo Gordoa and Juana Acosta.My grandmother, Juana Acosta, was born in la Punta, Aguascaliente and I have traced her genealogy back to her grandfather`s family in la Punta ( near Rincon de Romos, Agus. ).
What I know about my Grandfather Gordoa is that he was a mining engineer and was killed in a mining accident in the Cuencame area of Durango in the year 1910. His parents were Miguel Gordoa and Tomasa Mata.I have searched for answers via the FHC and Gordoa`s from Spain and Mexico who helped and encouraged me on my quest to find the family of my grandfather Gordoa.I have found no records of my grandfather`s death or the baptism of my two aunts,Tomasa and Emilia born in 1906 and 1910.My grandmother with her 3 children crossed into the USA at Eagle Pass, Texas on 23 December 1910.
The first Gordoa from Spain was Francisco Ignacio Gordoa who came to Oaxaca about 1740. He married a Peruivan lady named Justa Lorenza de Loaeza on 27 April 1753 in Jerez de Oaxaca.They had 7 children and the family story is well documented.Two sons migrated to central mexico and made their fortunes in agriculture and mining. I believe that my Grandfather belongs to the branch of Juan Francisco Gordoa who settled in Pinos, Zacatecas and married Mariana de Barrios. They had 12 children, 4 of which were priests, and one became the first mexican bishop of Guadalahara. His name was Doctor Don Jose Miguel Gordoa y Barrios.Juan Gordoa`s second marriage was to Maria Luiza Flores de Moyeda in Pinos on 4 october 1792. They had 4 children that I have baptismal records. One of their children, Jose Miguel Benito Gordoa was baptised in Pinos on 26 December 1797 and married Felipa Diaz de Leon ( no record ). They had at least 6 children that I know. I have baptismal records for all but tw
o.
One son, Juan Nepomuceno Gordoa was baptised in San Luis Potosi, SLP on 26 August 1829. He married Flavia Montes ( no records ). This information was told to me by a lady who is writing a book on the Gordoa Family. Juan N. and Flavia had 9 children that I have baptismal records. The first child was baptised in Lagos de Moreno in 7 September 1861. Her name was Maria Donaciana Gordoa Montes.
Her baptismal record said she lived in San Teresa, Jalisco.This was the last record of the Gordoa`s at the church in Lagos de Moreno.
I pickup the trail for the family of Juan N. again at a church in Leon, Guanajuato. The remainder of the 8 children were baptised there. Two of the sons were : Pedro Miguel de la Santisma Trinidad baptised 30 April 1863
Miguel Octaviano Merced de la Trinidad baptised 23 March 1865
Miguel Octaviano is the strongest candidate to be my long lost grandfather. He could have gone to college and married my grandmother before the eldest sister of my father was born in 1906 in Mexico.There is a Rancho San Jose de Gordoa which is part of the town of Santa Teresa. The lady writing the book told me that Juan N. lived there.This rancho is close to Lagos de Moreno, Jal. and Leon, Gto.
Many of our members are from this area or have family in this area.I need your help.I am at a deadend.Does anyone know of the Gordoa family of this area? If the ranch still belongs to the Gordoa family, I would be willing to make a trip there.I have been searching for my family roots for nearly 10 years.I have traced the family of Fracisco Ignacio Gordoa back to Zalduendo, Basque Province of Alava,Spain to the late 1500`s But I don1t know how I connect to the Gordoa family of Mexico. Thanks in advance for whatever help can be provided. I know this group represents a wealth of expertise and information. I have learned a great deal from all of you. I should have asked for your help long ago.I apologize if my plea is long winded but wanted to share what I know.
Mike Gordoa Jr.
Fort Worth, Texas
Introduction
I have just started researching my father's family who settled in
Bakersfield, CA after coming here around the years 1915-1920. His mother was Ysabel
Munoz from Aguascalientes. The surnames connected to her are: Munoz, Esparza,
Soria, Naranjo, Canales, Martinez, Trevino, Renteria, Sepulveda and Garcia.
His father was Jesus Mora from Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco. For now, I am
concentrating on my Grandfather's family. The surnames connected to his family
are: Mora, Jaime/Jayme/Xayme, Moran, Pedroza, Alba, Romo, Lopez, Cueva,
Villalobos, Delgado, Tiscareno, de Lizaldi (Elisalde?), Esparza and Gabay. I
have already found 2 distant relatives through this site who have been VERY
helpful. Thank you, Luis and Daniel!
I am currently going over the films from Encarnacion de Diaz for the years
1860-1890 trying to find the birth and marriage records for my paternal
grandparents, Sabina Jaime and Narciso Mora. I have found Narciso's information,
but not Sabina's. Her birth year is anywhere from 1868 to 1871. There are
about 20 years between Sabina and her sister, Norberta and I have been unable to
find any other siblings. Also, Narciso's marriage records names "Higinia
Muniz". There is a child for them born in 1888 but the next child born in 1889
lists Sabina as the mother. So I am also searching for a death record for
Higinia. What is confusing is that Higinia's parents raised Sabina's father,
Jose Refugio Jaime.
I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
Thank you for providing this opportunity to help each other connect to our
roots.
Sherri
(What is correct: Sherri Bass-Mora or Sherri Mora de Bass?)
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Introduction
Hello KanakaLele,
I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.
Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:
> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
Introduction
Stuart,
Confirmations were oftentimes at the same time as baptisms but could also be every 3 or 4 years, depending on when the Bishop could make it to your parish. Sometimes the Confirmandi had to go to another parish rather than wait several years for the Bishop to visit the home parish.
It was not like it is here at a set age.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
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From: Stuart Armstrong
To: "KanakaLele@aol.com"
Sent: Monday, April 6, 2009 3:58:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
Hello KanakaLele,
I have documented a number of confirmations in the 1930's in
Aguascalientes that were recorded at 1 to 3 years of age, and one that
was recorded 5 days after the christening or 19 days after birth.
Monday, April 6, 2009, 12:19:45 AM, you wrote:
> I would also like to search confirmation records. Does anyone know at what
> age confirmation usually took place during that time period in Mexico? Is it
> about 13 or 14 like now in the US?
--
Best regards,
Stuart mailto:stuartarms@gmail.com
Introduction
The 1844 confirmations for Yahualica, Jalisco, lasted days and included well
over a thousand. It looks to me like anyone and everyone of all ages from
the parish got confirmed.
Introduction
Hi Sherri
,Its Daniel, I think since La Chona "Encarnacion de Diaz" was a small amry post I think or a small settlement prob. they went to nearby cities, like in my case. I had people from LA Chona who got baptized in Lagos, Tepa, and Teocaltiche. -Daniel
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Sherri Mora's lines
Sherri,
I took a look at the Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran, that you have in your folder, and I was able to add a few people to it. I don't know if you already have found these individuals, but take a look at it.
Thanks,
Jonathan
Ahnentafel Chart for Narcisco Mora Moran
First Generation
1. Narcisco Mora Moran was born on 27 Oct 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Nov 1867 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 29 Jun 1942 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
Narcisco married (1) Maria Sabina Jaime daughter of Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza on 20 Apr 1887 in Mexico. Maria was born in 1870 in Santa Maria, Mexico.
They had the following children:
i. Jose Mora .
ii. Maria de la Luz Mora was born in Mexico.
iii. Jesus Mora was born on 10 May 1888 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico. He died on 9 Apr 1979 in Bakersfield, Kern, California, USA. Jesus married Isabel M. Munoz in 1907 in Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iv. Jose del Refugio Mora was born on 28 May 1891 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 28 May 1891 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 3 Nov 1963 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
v. Miguel Mora was born on 29 Jan 1895 in Mexico. He was christened on 4 Feb 1895 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 17 Jun 1967 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
vi. Trinidad Mora was born in 1897. He died on 25 May 1923 in Texas, USA.
vii. Maria de Refugio Mora was born on 15 May 1901 in Mexico. She died on 24 Jul 1957 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
viii. Maria de Jesus Mora was born on 6 Jul 1904 in Aguascalientes, Mexico. She died on 18 Jun 2000 in San Francisco, California, USA.
ix. Manuel J Mora was born on 24 Dec 1906 in Mexico. He died on 6 Feb 1977 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
x. Guadalupe Mora was born on 18 May 1907 in Mexico. She died on 24 Mar 2001 in San Francisco, California, USA.
xi. Tomas Mora was born on 19 Jul 1911 in Mexico. He died on 8 Mar 1990.
xii. Lorenzo Mora Jaime was christened on 11 Aug 1889 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
Narcisco married (2) Higinia Muniz daughter of Lazaro Muniz and Tereza Lopez on 20 Apr 1887 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Higinia was born in Santa Maria .
They had the following children:
xiii. José De Jesus Mora Munis was christened on 10 May 1888 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
Second Generation
2. TOMAS MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 26 Dec 1830 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ on 17 Apr 1861 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
3. MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 25 Oct 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
They had the following children:
i. Julian Mora Moran was christened on 5 Aug 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. Narcisco Mora Moran was born on 27 Oct 1866 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He was christened on 1 Nov 1867 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He died on 29 Jun 1942 in Los Angeles, California, USA.
iii. Rafael Mora Moran was christened on 7 Nov 1869 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. Luiza Mora Moran was christened on 15 Oct 1871 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Primitvo Mora Moran was christened on 30 Nov 1873 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Rafael Mora Moran was christened on 7 Apr 1878 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. Antonio Mora Moran was christened on 30 Aug 1880 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
viii. Maria de la Trinidad Mora Moran was christened on 27 May 1883 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
Third Generation
4. JOSE LEANDRO MORA DELGADO was christened on 12 Mar 1797 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. He married MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS on 7 May 1817 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
5. MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS .
They had the following children:
i. PEDRO JOSE MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 23 May 1819 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. MARIA DEL PILAR MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 18 Oct 1824 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. MARCOS MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 27 Apr 1827 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MA. DEL REFUGIO MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 27 Apr 1827 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. TOMAS MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 26 Dec 1830 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. VALENTINA MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 24 May 1833 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. SEBERA MORA VILLALOBOS was christened on 15 Nov 1835 in La Encarnacion, Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
viii. FELIX MORA VILLALOBOS was born in San Macos. He was christened on 14 Jul 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
FELIX married MARIA CONCEPCION MORA MORA daughter of Florencio Mora and Ursula Mora on 26 Nov 1886 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. MARIA was born in San Marcos. She was christened on 18 Dec 1853 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
6. ANASTACIO MORAN .ANASTACIO married GERONIMA CHAVEZ on 2 Feb 1834 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
7. GERONIMA CHAVEZ .
They had the following children:
i. BENITA MORAN CHAVES was christened on 13 Jan 1835 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. LEONARDO MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 10 Nov 1836 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
LEONARDO married Bonifacia Lopez daughter of Luciano Lopez and Maria del Refugio Diaz on 4 May 1859 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Bonifacia was christened on 18 May 1844 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. PERPETUO MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 21 Apr 1838 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
PERPETUO married Leandra Aguilera Villalobos daughter of Cecilio Aguilera and Maria Isidora Villalobos on 25 Jun 1862 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Leandra was christened on 5 Mar 1843 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARIA SALOME MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 25 Oct 1839 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. MARIA LEONIDA MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 11 Aug 1842 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. JOSE MA. DE JESUS MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 11 Aug 1844 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
JOSE married Genoveva Gutierrez daughter of Juan Gutierrez and Maria Nieves Martin on 1 Jun 1864 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico. Genoveva was christened on 1 May 1848 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vii. MA. GERTRUDIS MORAN CHAVEZ was christened on 16 Nov 1845 in
Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
Fourth Generation
8. Jose Rafael MORA .Jose married Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce on 8 Feb 1796 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
9. Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce was christened on 22 Dec 1771 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
They had the following children:
i. JOSE LEANDRO MORA DELGADO was christened on 12 Mar 1797 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
ii. JOSE MA. MORA Delgado was christened on 7 Jun 1798 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iii. MARIA GUILLERMA MORA DELGADO was christened on 19 Feb 1800 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
iv. MARIA PABLA MORA DELGADO was christened on 21 Jun 1801 in Encarnacion De Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
v. Jose Sesilio MORA DELGADO was christened on 25 Nov 1804 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
vi. Maria Paula MORA DELGADO was christened on 22 Jun 1807 in Encarnacion de Diaz, Jalisco, Mexico.
10. Bacilio VILLALOBOS .Bacilio married Maria Cruz.
11. Maria Cruz .
They had the following children:
i. MARIA DE LA MERCED VILLALOBOS .
Fifth Generation
16. Pedro MORA .Pedro married Antonia GONZALES.
17. Antonia GONZALES .
They had the following children:
i. Jose Rafael MORA .
18. Joseph Magdaleno DELGADO .Joseph married MARIA DE LOS DOLORES PONZE on 28 Apr 1754 in Nuestra Senora De Los Dolores, Teocaltiche, Jalisco, Mexico.
19. MARIA DE LOS DOLORES PONZE .
They had the following children:
i. JPH. ANTONIO DE LA CRUZ DELGADO PONZE was christened on 16 May 1763 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
ii. JPH. RAMON NONNATO DELGADO PONZE was christened on 15 Sep 1765 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iii. MARIA JULIANA DEL CARMEL DELGADO PONSE was christened on 17 Apr 1768 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
iv. MARIA FRANCA. DELGADO PONZE was christened on 2 Dec 1769 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
v. Maria Nicolasa Delgado Ponce was christened on 22 Dec 1771 in El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, Mexico.
Sherri Mora's lines
Jonathan,
Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso and Sabina. The date for Sabina's marriage has to be between May 1888 and early 1889 according to the baptism records of the children of Narciso. I also have not been successful in finding death information for Higinia. The marriage date you have for Higinia and Sabina are identical. Could it be that they are the same person? If so, how could it be confirmed? You can contact me personally at kanakalele@aol.com if you'd like to go into more detail. Also, I have pictures of their graves-would this be something to post on this site?
Sherri Mora
P.S. Are the people you addded part of your tree? If so, does that make us related? I've found 2 possibly 3 other relatives through this site!
Sherri Mora's lines
Sherri,
I doubt that Higinia and Sabina are the same person. They have different
parents. The parents of Higinia are Lazaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez. And
Sabina parents are Jose Refugio Jaime and Donaciana Pedroza. But with a
little more researching, you should be able to learn more about the two
wives.
Also, the indivuals that I added, they are not from any of my lines (I don't
have any ancestral lines through Mexico). I found those individuals, using
FamilySearch. The reason, that I looked at your lines, is that I have
researched some Mora lines in Encarnacion de Diaz and Lagos de Moreno.
Thanks,
Jonathan
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From: research@nuestrosranchos.org
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sherri Mora's lines
Date: 05/11/09 00:56
> Jonathan,
> Thank you so much for sharing your information. I have a copy of the
church record for the marriage between Narciso and Higinia but not Narciso
and Sabina. The date for Sabina's marriage has to be between May 1888 and
early 1889 according to the baptism records of the children of Narciso. I
also have not been successful in finding death information for Higinia. The
marriage date you have for Higinia and Sabina are identical. Could it be
that they are the same person? If so, how could it be confirmed? You can
contact me personally at kanakalele@aol.com if you'd like to go into more
detail. Also, I have pictures of their graves-would this be something to
post on this site?
> Sherri Mora
> P.S. Are the people you addded part of your tree? If so, does that make us
related? I've found 2 possibly 3 other relatives through this site!
Sherri Mora's lines
Hi Jonathan,
Under normal circumstances I would not suspect that they were one person, however, Sabina's father, Jose Refugio Jayme, was raised by Lasaro Muniz and Teresa Lopez-the parents listed for Higinia Muniz. Yes, it's confusing. I'm reviewing films from Encarnacion so I will take a look at your reports and pass along anything I think may be helpful. I find lots of helpful info by just browsing.
Sherri Mora
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I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.
I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.
and
Desiderio Ybarra, b. about 1719, Mexico, married to Guiol b. about 1723
I have extensive information forward but not backwards, like who are the parents of the above, and where did they live, and their grandparents.
I am at a road block here and would appreciate any help anyone can give.
Thank you,
Tina Reyes
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Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666 or so. You have to worry about checking tin the right places. just because you dont find someone in X place doesnt mean they're out there. Zapotlán del Rey will be tricky but Ciudad Guzmán will be easier. Ive done about 3 films from there (they were already in my FHC), people tend to stay around there in the area. You also have to take in consideration Los Altos is up the road from Zapotlán del Rey. They might have also come from there. Send me what you have I may be of some help. My cousin Linda Castañón has also done extensive research in these areas, you might want to communicate with her, she might have some tips and such for you. Just start ordering films when your ready.
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Hi Tina and Daniel, I did check my data base and do not have this Reyes couple. I will double check what I have but I only enter into into my files my families and the families they married into. Daniel is right though, the films for Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman have many records for Zapotlan Del Rey.
happy hunting..
Linda in B.C.
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From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: "Patty Hoyos"
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 10:43 AM
Hi Tina, welcome to the group. I think the mistake people most often make, is not being informed on greography, if you know the geography when researching, this will help you enough. History is important too. Well it appears your area is where my father is from. His grandparents being from Los Altos de Jalisco. Zapotlán el Grande is also known as Ciudad Guzmán. Zapotlán del Rey only has records around the mid 1700 to the present day. Ciudad Guzmán starts in 1666 or so. You have to worry about checking tin the right places. just because you dont find someone in X place doesnt mean they're out there. Zapotlán del Rey will be tricky but Ciudad Guzmán will be easier. Ive done about 3 films from there (they were already in my FHC), people tend to stay around there in the area. You also have to take in consideration Los Altos is up the road from Zapotlán del Rey. They might have also come from there. Send me what you have I may be of some help. My
cousin Linda Castañón has also done extensive research in these areas, you might want to communicate with her, she might have some tips and such for you. Just start ordering films when your ready.
-Daniel Cmaino
mendezdelcamino@live.com
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Tina I checked my records and found in the years you mentioned baptism records from Zapotlan El Grande/Ciudad Gusman do not contain grandparents. The marriage records do so that would be your best bet for finding elusive grandparents.
Sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Linda in B.C.
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From: Tina Reyes
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Tuesday, July 21, 2009, 9:02 AM
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17946
I am doing research on the Reyes and Ybarra families that came from and through Mexico.
I have been researching Juan Joseph Reyes y Diaz, b. between 1716-1723 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico, d. Mexico, married to Maria Gertrudis Reyes between 1740-1748 Zapotlan Del Rey, Jalisco Mexico, b. Between 1720-1727 Zapotlan El Grande Mexico d. Mexico, son - Juan Francisco Reyes b. Bet 1745-1749 Zapotlan El Grande Mexcio, d. 8 Nov 1809 Mission San Gabriel, Alta California.
and
Desiderio Ybarra, b. about 1719, Mexico, married to Guiol b. about 1723
I have extensive information forward but not backwards, like who are the parents of the above, and where did they live, and their grandparents.
I am at a road block here and would appreciate any help anyone can give.
Thank you,
Tina Reyes
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Juan Arguelles
Born: 1851 Jalisco México
Died: 1923 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Juan Arguelles first wife was named Josepha De La Torres
Married Maria Enciso (Second wife)
Born: 1874 Jalisco, México
Died: 1916 Zacataces, Jalisco México
Their children: # 4 is my Grandmother;
1) Pedro Arguelles
Born: 1896 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Chr: Huejucar, Jalisco México
2) Jesusita Arguelles
Born: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Chr: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Died: 1898 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
Jesusita died two days after birth.
3) Salvador Arguelles Spouse: Jusus Ledaxma
Born: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Chr: 1900 Huejucar, Jalisco México
Died: 1950 Vera Cruz, México
4) Virginia Arguelles Cesena Spouse: Arthur Cesena
Born: July 29th 1902 Huejucar, Mexico
Chr: 1902 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
Died: July 27th 1978 Stockton, California
5) Constantion Ricardo Arguelles
Born: April 29th 1906 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
Died: November 16th 1978 Concord, California
6) Carmen Arguelles Cadena Spouse: Cenaido Cadena
Born: January 31st 1908 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
7) Victor Arguelles Spouse: Flora Garcia
Born: February 1st 1910 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
8) Lupe Arguelles Martinez Spouse: John Martinez
Born: 1912 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
Died: May 4th 1979 Santa Rosa, California
9) Jesusita Arguelles
Born: 1914 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
Died: 1914 Huejucar, Jalisco Mexico
This is the second child named Jesusita that was born and died two days later.
Here is the link to the file. http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/17864
I am trying to locate any children that any of the submitted names possibly had. Also, I am looking for any information regarding Juan Arguelles parents and information about his first wife, Josepha De La Torres.
Thank You,
Rob Cesena
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Hello,
I am very excited and happy to be able to be a part of this online community. Over the years I have had a lot of questions as to the whereabouts and descendants of my parents. My parents have been able to furnish some information regarding their ancestry, but there continues to be lots of gaps regarding dates and complete names. I was looking for information online one day when I bumped into this particular website. I knew both my parents were from Aguascalientes, and I had just assumed that their parents were too. Much to my surprise, after I asked my parents about my grandparents they told me that all of my grandparents were from Los Altos de Jalisco.
My name is Hilda del Carmen Davalos Moreno, I am interested in researching the Davalos, Moreno, Lopez, Franco, Marquez, Gutierrez families... I am barely starting so I have a shaky skeleton of information. It is an exciting learning experience to learn about my ancestors.
My maternal grandfather was Leodegario Moreno Franco b. Oct. 2, 1912 San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco, who married Maria de los Angeles Lopez Gutierrez born in 1916 from San Miguel el Alto, Jalisco. His father was Jose Trinidad Moreno Lozano married to Amelia Franco. Jose Trinidad Moreno Lozano died April, 18, 1957. My mother has given me these dates.
My maternal grandmother Maria de los Angeles Lopez Gutierrez' parents were Josefa Gutierrez Jimenez from San Miguel el Alto, Jal. I have no dates yet regarding my great grandmother. My grandmother's father was Refugio Lopez Munoz, from San Miguel el Alto.
The curious thing now is that my grandmothers are sisters therefore, my parents are cousins so my paternal grandmother Maria Elena Lopez Gutierrez' (b. 1928' parents are the same as above.
My paternal grandfather was Dario Davalos Marquez born in 1918 San Miguel el Alto. This is all I have as of right now so I am very excited to see what lots of new information will come my way... So I am asking assistance to find more information on all aspects of my family...
Thank you.