Hello Corrine,
Last night I went to my local FHC to view a microfilm that I had
requested, but got sidetracked when the volunteer asked if I had any
questions. The thought prompted by Tomas's earlier email regarding
relatives who immigrated to the USA to never be heard from again (my dad
actually does recall their visits back to Mexico when he was a young
child). The volunteer helped me find a great uncle who immigrated to
Wichita, Kansas during the early 1900's. I found several of his border
crossing manifests, along with his wife's. Wow, it had their birth
date, birthplace, occupation, height, age, coloring, how much money they
carried, and even an address in Wichita. I too never found a census
record for him or his family, but I plan to ask my father for more
information. I recall him saying that this couple lost some sons in
WWII, but I need to know their names first. I would love to make
contact with their descendants.
Please keep me posted on your finding. I'm totally new to this.
My experience is mostly in the arena of microfilm of Mexican records...
Thanks for sharing your story,
Irma Gomez-Lucero
N. Calif.
Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700
From: "Corrine Ardoin"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
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Hi, Everyone:
I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about
my Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the
records, unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able
to make them larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't
know why Ancestry did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some
great information, some records even have photos!
For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin
del Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great
Aunt Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in
1920, while my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents
and siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I
don't know, but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was
part of the originally held family belief. I have not been able to find
her in Los Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived
there and should be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my
Aunt Lola, but I have searched page by page in the census and have given
up, for now. My mother says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.
Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle
of my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's
sisters, one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their
signatures, photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc.,
their occupations, even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's
birthplace, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's
birthplace, Alberto Martin del Campo, my great great grandfather whom I
only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los
Lagos, as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes
and corrections and new information to add to my chart.
I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these
records if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is
worth the time to find out information that just might help in your area
of research, like it has for me.
*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you
know about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were
these used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for
whenever they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I
am asking is that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very
interesting notes written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a
mini jackpot for me, if I could get these notations clarified. A family
story is that her and my grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had
two children, then went to Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant
with my mother. My mother was supposedly born there in 1931. After a
year, they returned to Los Angeles.
I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage
anywhere.
I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere.
But, lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border
crossing record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930,
giving the names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit,
Michigan. They were both born before the date stamped on the back of
this Manifest record.
So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made
on this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother
crossed the border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my
grandmother would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so,
then this would verify the family story and I would need to keep looking
for census records of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into*
the U.S., then that would change things entirely. I have not found a
border crossing record of my mother, her siblings, or her parents
crossing, except what for these mysterious notations.
So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
getting this clarified.
Corrine Ardoin
With the family mystery hystery
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research Digest, Vol 17, Issue 10
Hi ladies & gents
I am intrested in knowing how or where did you go to get all this information. My family crossed during the Revolution war. Some came to California and some went to Colorado and eventuly to California. Can you send me the email to it or there web site? Please!
Thank you
Mary
-----Original Message-----
>From: Irma GomezLucero
>Sent: Jun 27, 2007 12:20 PM
>To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] research Digest, Vol 17, Issue 10
>
> Hello Corrine,
> Last night I went to my local FHC to view a microfilm that I had
>requested, but got sidetracked when the volunteer asked if I had any
>questions. The thought prompted by Tomas's earlier email regarding
>relatives who immigrated to the USA to never be heard from again (my dad
>actually does recall their visits back to Mexico when he was a young
>child). The volunteer helped me find a great uncle who immigrated to
>Wichita, Kansas during the early 1900's. I found several of his border
>crossing manifests, along with his wife's. Wow, it had their birth
>date, birthplace, occupation, height, age, coloring, how much money they
>carried, and even an address in Wichita. I too never found a census
>record for him or his family, but I plan to ask my father for more
>information. I recall him saying that this couple lost some sons in
>WWII, but I need to know their names first. I would love to make
>contact with their descendants.
> Please keep me posted on your finding. I'm totally new to this.
>My experience is mostly in the arena of microfilm of Mexican records...
>Thanks for sharing your story,
>Irma Gomez-Lucero
>N. Calif.
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 17:28:55 -0700
>From: "Corrine Ardoin"
>Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Border Crossing Records
>To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
>Message-ID:
> <8d36714c0706261728x147a361fxaf8dd092fca2f733@mail.gmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>Hi, Everyone:
>
>I have been perusing Ancestry.com's Border Crossing Records, thanks to a
>friend. I have found a wealth of previously unknown information about
>my Martin del Campo ancestors through these records. Some of the
>records, unfortunately, are very small on the screen. I have been able
>to make them larger, in some cases, but some are not workable. I don't
>know why Ancestry did it that way, but, nevertheless, I have found some
>great information, some records even have photos!
>
>For instance, my mother's family had always held to the story that her
>mother, Magdalena Martin del Campo had crossed the border with her Aunt
>Dolores Martin del Campo, and grandmother, Rita Robles Rivera (Martin
>del Campo). Well, in the records, I found that Dolores, my great-great
>Aunt Lola (photos all provided in the albums), had crossed alone in
>1920, while my grandmother had crossed with her whole family, parents
>and siblings, later on in 1923. When Rita Robles Rivera crossed, I
>don't know, but I am beginning to think she never had, that that was
>part of the originally held family belief. I have not been able to find
>her in Los Angeles census records, though my mother insists she lived
>there and should be on the 1930 census and had shared a house with my
>Aunt Lola, but I have searched page by page in the census and have given
>up, for now. My mother says she also died in Los Angeles, in 1935.
>
>Well, since I have found these wonderful border crossing records, I
>discovered a brother of Lola's, a Juan Martin del Campo, who lived in El
>Paso. I also found a Alfredo Garza-Trevino in Juarez, who was an uncle
>of my grandmother's, who must have been married to one of her mother's
>sisters, one of the Cabral's. It has been so interesting to see their
>signatures, photos, notes on identifying marks, such as scars, etc.,
>their occupations, even addresses of relatives. It gave Lola's
>birthplace, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco, which helps me with her brother's
>birthplace, Alberto Martin del Campo, my great great grandfather whom I
>only had a brithplace of "Lagos."
>So, now I know it was probably Lagos de Moreno, not San Juan de los
>Lagos, as I put on my ancestral chart. So, there are lots of changes
>and corrections and new information to add to my chart.
>
>I encourage everyone who hasn't done so already to check out these
>records if your ancestors had crossed the border into the U.S. It is
>worth the time to find out information that just might help in your area
>of research, like it has for me.
>
>*One question I do have*, if anyone might know the answer, is if you
>know about the "Manifest" forms these records were kept on. How were
>these used? I mean, were they held onto by the person who crossed for
>whenever they crossed again, or by the immigration office? The reason I
>am asking is that my grandmother's 1923 Manifest record has some very
>interesting notes written on the back of it, dated 1930. It would be a
>mini jackpot for me, if I could get these notations clarified. A family
>story is that her and my grandfather had married, moved to Detroit, had
>two children, then went to Guadalajara when my grandmother was pregnant
>with my mother. My mother was supposedly born there in 1931. After a
>year, they returned to Los Angeles.
>I have not been able to find them in the U.S. census for 1930 anywhere.
>I have not been able to find a record of my grandparent's marriage
>anywhere.
>I have not been able to find a record of my mother's birth anywhere.
>But, lo and behold, on the back of my grandmother's initial border
>crossing record, there are these notations dated by a stamp DEC 3, 1930,
>giving the names and ages of the two eldest children, born in Detroit,
>Michigan. They were both born before the date stamped on the back of
>this Manifest record.
>So, I'm wondering many things. First of all, why were these notes made
>on this particular record? Are they of another time my grandmother
>crossed the border *into *Mexico, just as the family story goes, when my
>grandmother would definitely have been pregnant with my mother? If so,
>then this would verify the family story and I would need to keep looking
>for census records of them. If it is of when they crossed *back into*
>the U.S., then that would change things entirely. I have not found a
>border crossing record of my mother, her siblings, or her parents
>crossing, except what for these mysterious notations.
>
>So, if anyone knows how these records worked, I would really appreciate
>getting this clarified.
>
>Corrine Ardoin
>With the family mystery hystery
>
>
>------------------------------
>
Border Crossings
I just visited my local library where they have a genealogy department that has ancestry.com for free. The family history centers sometimes have ancestry.com for free also. Find a family history center near you at familysearch.org. In ancestry.com, I went into the border crossings and found crossings for Catarina Jauregui and her children, plus some for the Rocha's and Bejar families. Wow it is great. I noticed some of the records have pictures and many have physical descriptions and marks as well as how much money the person carried and where they were going, the reason for emigration and whether they could read or write, where they were born, how old they were, and diseases they had, their last address in Mexico and all sorts of little gems. Some of the emigration reasons had numbered codes. Does anyone know the codes or where to find the info?
I found that if I increased the % in the bar ablove the e image, I could make the copy bigger, then viewed in full screen mode. I then centered the image to where I could see everything, clicked on the print icon, changed to current view and then in properties chose "landscape". I printed out each side of the card and it came out perfect and covered almost the entire sheet. Easily readable, unless the image was poor quality.
I also noticed some notations on the flip side of the card, sometimes about the persons return to Mexico or in some cases the deportation.
Love Ancestry's border crossings so far!!!!