During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.
There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.
I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
------------------------------------------------------------
El Virreinato I; Origenes y jurisdicciones, y dinamica social de los virreyes; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato II; Expansion y defensa Primera Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato III; Expansion y defensa Segunda Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato IV; Obras Publicas y educacion universitaria; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
Los Conquistadores; Figuras y escrituras; by Jacques Lafaye
Razas, clases sociales y vida politica en el Mexico colonia 1610-1670; by Jonathan I. Israel
Carta Privada de emigrantes a Indias 1540-1616; by Enrique Otte
La nobleza mexicana en la epoca de la Independencia 1780-1826; by Doris M. Ladd
Los señores de Zacatecas; Una aristocracia minera del siglo XVIII novohispano; Prefacio de Francois Chevalier; by Frederique Langue
Pasajeros de Indias; Viajes trasatlánticos en el siglo XVI, by Jose Luis Martines
La formacion de los latifundios en Mexico, Haciendas y sociedad en los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII; by Francois Chevalier
Mineria y sociedad en el Mexico colonial Zacatecas (1546-1700); by P.J. Bakewell
Inquisicion y Sociedad en Mexico 1571-1700; by Solange Alberro
------------------------------------------------
This are the ones that I´ve been able to find in less than a year or two, I would love to visit the stores in Mexico City because they are much bigger and with a more ample catalog, but in time I will do that.
Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.
Best Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
(this message is without accents to avoid format disturbances)
I will take you up on your offer to help! Believe me, I really need help
with a "brick wall" that I have been at for a long time! My elusive
ancestors, Juan Antonio Liendo and Catalina de la Rosa were from Zacatecas,
according to the will of their son, Juan Antonio Liendo (Jr. or el Mozo) who
died about 1777 at an advanced age. He states that he was originally from
Zacatecas but I have not been able to locate anything on him or his parents.
A genealogy friend of mine from Aguascalientes told me that perhaps I might
find something in Queretaro.......I have not attempted any research in
Queretaro as yet. If you EVER see the surnames "LIENDO" OR "DE LA ROSA" in
the late 1600s or early 1700s in any of your searches, I would really
appreciate it if you would contact me and give me the info so I can follow
up on it. I am almost certain that the surname "Liendo" begins with Juan
Antonio Liendo Sr. in Zacatecas (or Queretaro) because I have found a lot of
people with that surname in South America and Spain. I have connected
almost all the Liendo people in Mexico and they all tie in with my ancestor.
By the way, I am also a Villarreal on my father's side......my grandmother
was Eulalia Villarreal from Brownsville, TX but her ancestors are from
Matamoros, Tamaulipas, MX. I am still working on that line......who knows,
it may connect with your Villarreal line! :-)
Any assistance you may provide will certainly be appreciated!
During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me
understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico
you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.
There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de
Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.
I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some
time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.
Just to give everyone a taste, here is a letter that mentions Diego de Ayala:
Florian Moreno a su mujer Maria Roldana, en Median de Rioseco
Mexico, 16 Feb 1604
Hermana mia:
De todas la que os he escrito de solo dos he recibido respuestas, ya me logue saber tenias salud y me peso de los trabajos que has pasado y porque no pasen adelante es mi regalo que te vengas a esta tierra porque aca lo pasaras mejor que alla. Y para eso te envio cien reales de a ocho los cuales te daran en Arjona en casa del senor doctor te acomodara para que pases a esta tierra. Y si al presente no hubiere comodo y el senor doctor gustare que te estes en su casas con las senoras sus hermanas te estaras hasta que haya comodo para venir. Y asi lo escribo a mi hermano en su carta que por ninguna cosa deje de venirse contigo hasta quedarte en Arjona. Y si no gustares de venir a esta tierra cobraras los cien reales de a ocho y avisarme has de tu gusto poruqe el ir yo alla por ahora es imposible porque despues que a esta tierra vine y he tenido dos anos de enfermedad y he gastado cuanto habia ganado y mas me he empenado que hasta ahora tengo harto que despempenar que Dios sabe si me queda otro tanto. Mas quedo con salud. Mi senor Diego de Ayala que es un caballero muy generoso y principal te escribe tambien sobre la venida y lo que hara por ti. Y en esto recibire muy gran regalo y te vengas lo mas presto que pudieres. Y confiado, Nuestro Senor te me guarde como puede. De Mexico, y de febrero 16 de 1604 anos, tu marido. Florian Moreno.
Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
most often to family members.
Re Romo:
The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.
I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
Romo name, as the letter is quite long.
No. 121 - p. 126
"Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
Mexico, 1.X.1593"
"Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."
Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
and South America.
All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.
Is there anything relating to a Pedro Sepulveda, or Diego Ayala, or any Robles?
I am also researching Andres de Tapia, Alonso Sosa de Albernoz, Juan Navarro.
I have a book that I bought from Borderland Book Stores. The book is "The Encomenderos of New Spain 1521 - 1555" by Robert Himmerich y Valencia. I have found it to be an interesting resouce.
It lists some of the encomeneros that arsoe earyl in New Spain. It lists some tranference of ownership.
I am willing to do lookups.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "New" : --------------
>
> Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
> and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
> direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
> it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
> into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
> exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
> locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
> most often to family members.
>
> Re Romo:
> The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
> temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
> Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.
>
> I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
> Romo name, as the letter is quite long.
>
> No. 121 - p. 126
> "Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
> Mexico, 1.X.1593"
>
> "Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
> hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
> Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
> su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
> Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
> le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."
>
> Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
> were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
> immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
> de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
> centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
> the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
> Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
> because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
> new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
> and South America.
>
> All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.
>
> Connie
>
>
> Connie Dominguez
> El Paso, TX, USA
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: erniealderete@charter.net
> >To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >Date: 7/14/06 1:51:42 PM
> >
> The index ends at the names that start with "P!"
> >Just before we get to my Rangels, and Romos:(
> >As if they intentionally wanted to tease me.
> >
> >---- arturoramos wrote:
> >>
> >> I just found the book on Abe Books in Spanish. It appears
> there are tons of used editions of what appears to be an English
> version of the book or at least a derivative work thereof. They
> appear to be leftovers from some sort of Mexican colonial history
> course or something.
> >>
> >> I will definitely scan in the name index when I get the book
> and put it in the reference files section. You can see most
> of it in the preview provided by Google Books:
> >>
> >>
> http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9681639758&id=-zOcAD_LhD8C&prints…
> age
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >>
> >> To post, send email to:
> >> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>
> >> To change your subscription, log on to:
> >> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Esther,
You're in luck, because there is indeed some info on those names!
I just wanted you to know I will be working on them and try
to produce an annotated outline of the individuals I found in
the book, so you can see which you'd like to have sent to you.
Don't know that they'll be "the right ones" but we can hope.
You can also find the book in Fondo de Cultura Economica
Hello:
During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.
There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.
I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
------------------------------------------------------------
El Virreinato I; Origenes y jurisdicciones, y dinamica social de los virreyes; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato II; Expansion y defensa Primera Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato III; Expansion y defensa Segunda Parte; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
El Virreinato IV; Obras Publicas y educacion universitaria; by Jose Ignacio Rubio Mañe
Los Conquistadores; Figuras y escrituras; by Jacques Lafaye
Razas, clases sociales y vida politica en el Mexico colonia 1610-1670; by Jonathan I. Israel
Carta Privada de emigrantes a Indias 1540-1616; by Enrique Otte
La nobleza mexicana en la epoca de la Independencia 1780-1826; by Doris M. Ladd
Los señores de Zacatecas; Una aristocracia minera del siglo XVIII novohispano; Prefacio de Francois Chevalier; by Frederique Langue
Pasajeros de Indias; Viajes trasatlánticos en el siglo XVI, by Jose Luis Martines
La formacion de los latifundios en Mexico, Haciendas y sociedad en los siglos XVI, XVII y XVIII; by Francois Chevalier
Mineria y sociedad en el Mexico colonial Zacatecas (1546-1700); by P.J. Bakewell
Inquisicion y Sociedad en Mexico 1571-1700; by Solange Alberro
------------------------------------------------
This are the ones that I´ve been able to find in less than a year or two, I would love to visit the stores in Mexico City because they are much bigger and with a more ample catalog, but in time I will do that.
Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.
Best Regards
Jose Humberto Suarez Villarreal
(this message is without accents to avoid format disturbances)
For Humberto Suarez: You can also find the book in Fondo de Cult
Hello Humberto!
I will take you up on your offer to help! Believe me, I really need help
with a "brick wall" that I have been at for a long time! My elusive
ancestors, Juan Antonio Liendo and Catalina de la Rosa were from Zacatecas,
according to the will of their son, Juan Antonio Liendo (Jr. or el Mozo) who
died about 1777 at an advanced age. He states that he was originally from
Zacatecas but I have not been able to locate anything on him or his parents.
A genealogy friend of mine from Aguascalientes told me that perhaps I might
find something in Queretaro.......I have not attempted any research in
Queretaro as yet. If you EVER see the surnames "LIENDO" OR "DE LA ROSA" in
the late 1600s or early 1700s in any of your searches, I would really
appreciate it if you would contact me and give me the info so I can follow
up on it. I am almost certain that the surname "Liendo" begins with Juan
Antonio Liendo Sr. in Zacatecas (or Queretaro) because I have found a lot of
people with that surname in South America and Spain. I have connected
almost all the Liendo people in Mexico and they all tie in with my ancestor.
By the way, I am also a Villarreal on my father's side......my grandmother
was Eulalia Villarreal from Brownsville, TX but her ancestors are from
Matamoros, Tamaulipas, MX. I am still working on that line......who knows,
it may connect with your Villarreal line! :-)
Any assistance you may provide will certainly be appreciated!
Thanks!
Josie Trevino-Trevino
San Antonio, TX
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Jose
Humberto Suarez
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 11:32 AM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] You can also find the book in Fondo de
CulturaEconomica
Hello:
During the last months I´ve found several books that are helping me
understand more about the Colonial times in Mexico. For the people in Mexico
you can find those books at: Fondo de Cultura Económica.
There are many stores through all Mexico. In the store of Santiago de
Queretaro (where I live) there is a really big history section.
I´ve bought at a very accesible price the following:
Any info you need just ask and I´ll be glad to help. Perhaps It´ll take some
time but we all know that a genealogist gift is patience.
Cartas Privadas
I have uploaded the full name index of Cartas Privadas de Emigrantes a Indias by Enrique Otte. It is in the Books and Articles Section of the Files.
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/14761
Just to give everyone a taste, here is a letter that mentions Diego de Ayala:
Florian Moreno a su mujer Maria Roldana, en Median de Rioseco
Mexico, 16 Feb 1604
Hermana mia:
De todas la que os he escrito de solo dos he recibido respuestas, ya me logue saber tenias salud y me peso de los trabajos que has pasado y porque no pasen adelante es mi regalo que te vengas a esta tierra porque aca lo pasaras mejor que alla. Y para eso te envio cien reales de a ocho los cuales te daran en Arjona en casa del senor doctor te acomodara para que pases a esta tierra. Y si al presente no hubiere comodo y el senor doctor gustare que te estes en su casas con las senoras sus hermanas te estaras hasta que haya comodo para venir. Y asi lo escribo a mi hermano en su carta que por ninguna cosa deje de venirse contigo hasta quedarte en Arjona. Y si no gustares de venir a esta tierra cobraras los cien reales de a ocho y avisarme has de tu gusto poruqe el ir yo alla por ahora es imposible porque despues que a esta tierra vine y he tenido dos anos de enfermedad y he gastado cuanto habia ganado y mas me he empenado que hasta ahora tengo harto que despempenar que Dios sabe si me queda otro tanto. Mas quedo con salud. Mi senor Diego de Ayala que es un caballero muy generoso y principal te escribe tambien sobre la venida y lo que hara por ti. Y en esto recibire muy gran regalo y te vengas lo mas presto que pudieres. Y confiado, Nuestro Senor te me guarde como puede. De Mexico, y de febrero 16 de 1604 anos, tu marido. Florian Moreno.
Cartas Privadas de Olmos
----- Original Message ----
From: arturoramos
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:39:17 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Cartas Privadas
Arturo,
Could you please do a lookup for Olmo, Fray Juan, Del, Pg 428 and
Olmos, Martin, Page 479s.
Thanks,
Alicia
Cartas Privadas
Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
most often to family members.
Re Romo:
The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.
I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
Romo name, as the letter is quite long.
No. 121 - p. 126
"Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
Mexico, 1.X.1593"
"Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."
Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
and South America.
All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.
Connie
Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA
Cartas Privadas
Hi,
Is there anything relating to a Pedro Sepulveda, or Diego Ayala, or any Robles?
I am also researching Andres de Tapia, Alonso Sosa de Albernoz, Juan Navarro.
I have a book that I bought from Borderland Book Stores. The book is "The Encomenderos of New Spain 1521 - 1555" by Robert Himmerich y Valencia. I have found it to be an interesting resouce.
It lists some of the encomeneros that arsoe earyl in New Spain. It lists some tranference of ownership.
I am willing to do lookups.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from "New": --------------
>
> Don't worry....you're not missing anything. There are NO Rangels
> and only one Romo. :( I actually found very little that offered
> direct help on my lines from this book. However, I still feel
> it is an excellent collection. The letters give terrific insights
> into the times. And, although I'm certain some errors could
> exist in dates/times, etc., I believe most relationships and
> locational comments were near correct, because they were writing
> most often to family members.
>
> Re Romo:
> The only Romo is Juan del Romo, only casually mentioned as someone
> temporarily accommodating friends in a letter from Pedro del
> Castillo to his son, Pedro del Castillo, in Torija.
>
> I'm reprinting here, only the adjunct section containing the
> Romo name, as the letter is quite long.
>
> No. 121 - p. 126
> "Pedro del Castillo a su hijo Pedro del Castillo, en Torija.
> Mexico, 1.X.1593"
>
> "Pedro el Corvo y su mujer quedan en mi casa, Juan Perez y sus
> hijos en casa de Chamorro, los Perandreses en casa de Juan del
> Romo, Juan de Rebollasa esta con un tocinero, Bernabe Rojo y
> su mujer estan en una tienda, han estado en mi casa tres semanas.
> Juan Redondo y sus hijos estan en casa de Corral. A la de Ruiz
> le besa las manos su hermana Leonor."
>
> Something to remember about the book: 1) most of these letters
> were written VERY soon after conquest...and the real flood of
> immigrants I think came a bit later (The Romo de Vivars and Ruiz
> de Esparzas didn't immigrate until the late 16th or early 17th
> centuries and really didn't play a factor in this community at
> the time of these letters); 2) many of these letters are from
> Mexico proper and Puebla, with a few outliers in Zacatecas, probably
> because few letters were collected from the sparsely populated
> new frontiers; and 3) the book does include letters from Central
> and South America.
>
> All in all, a worthwhile publication if you have EARLY immigrants.
>
> Connie
>
>
> Connie Dominguez
> El Paso, TX, USA
>
> >--- Original Message ---
> >From: erniealderete@charter.net
> >To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> >Date: 7/14/06 1:51:42 PM
> >
> The index ends at the names that start with "P!"
> >Just before we get to my Rangels, and Romos:(
> >As if they intentionally wanted to tease me.
> >
> >---- arturoramos wrote:
> >>
> >> I just found the book on Abe Books in Spanish. It appears
> there are tons of used editions of what appears to be an English
> version of the book or at least a derivative work thereof. They
> appear to be leftovers from some sort of Mexican colonial history
> course or something.
> >>
> >> I will definitely scan in the name index when I get the book
> and put it in the reference files section. You can see most
> of it in the preview provided by Google Books:
> >>
> >>
> http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN9681639758&id=-zOcAD_LhD8C&prints…
> age
> >> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
> >> Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List
> >>
> >> To post, send email to:
> >> research(at)nuestrosranchos.org
> >>
> >> To change your subscription, log on to:
> >> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Cartas Privadas
Esther,
You're in luck, because there is indeed some info on those names!
I just wanted you to know I will be working on them and try
to produce an annotated outline of the individuals I found in
the book, so you can see which you'd like to have sent to you.
Don't know that they'll be "the right ones" but we can hope.
Connie
Connie Dominguez
El Paso, TX, USA