Presentación personal / Personal Introduction
Saludos a todos / Greetings everyone,
I am new to the group, although not so new to doing Los Altos genealogical research. My name is Kassandra Brenot; I am the great-grand-daughter of a Los Altos couple who came to the U.S. during the cristero war.
About 25 years ago I began researching my family roots in Los Altos, thanks to my Marquez cousins and the Somos Primos group in the greater Los Angeles area (including Mimi Lozano and Mary Lou Montagna and the stellar work they all got me going on, for which I shall be forever indebted). While my professional and family duties have pulled me away from my passion for genealogy over the course of the past twenty years or so, through some recent unexpected encounters through my work I have reconnected with my Los Altos roots...
I am the head of an all girls, Catholic boarding school in Monterey, California and have discovered that a few of the families at my school are Los Altos families! Knowing the prevalence of endogamia amongst los alteños, I figured we must be related so.... during my summer vacation, I dug back into my old files and jumped online and have been helping these families get started on researching their lines.
Lo and behold, we are related and we are now looking to start a small Los Altos research group here on the Monterey Peninsula. We had our first mini-get together last night with a small group that represented Ramirez, Loza, Campos and Gutierrez. Some of the members of these families immigrated only within the past 20 years, while others immigrated in the 1950s, settling in the Salinas Valley. As for my own family, it was my great-grandparents María Gonzalez Muñoz and José Lorenzo Loza Muñoz who emigrated from San Miguel el Alto to Carpinteria, California in 1926. Some of the names I am researching farther back in my lines (in the areas of Jalostotitlán, San Juan, Aguascalientes and Ayo el Chico) are the following:
Baeza
Becerra
Camacho-Riquelme
Fernández de Rueda
García de Miranda
González de Rubalcava
Hernández de Arellano
Hurtado de Mendoza
Lomellini
López de Fueresclava
Muños de Nava y Estrada
Loza y Linares
Lozano Vásquez
Machuca
Ornelas
Vásquez Cermeño
Through this group, I hope to fill in a few holes I have in my chart, as well as to help guide some of these families as they begin discovering the joy of researching their Los Altos family history. What I also hope to learn more about through this group is the rich history and traditions of the Los Altos region: I was only about 8 when my great-grandmother died so what little I know about Los Altos is what I have read about, found online, or heard about through cousins, grandparents and family friends.
(Hablo español)
Saludos a todos,
Kassandra
Gertrudis Macias Valadez
Dear Kasandra,
In the tree that you submitted you have two sets of possible parents for Gertrudis Macias Valadez. This is the correct line:
Nicolas Cayetano Pedroza and Maria Gertrudis Macias Valadez are the parents of Paula Guadalupe de la Trinidad Pedroza
Nicolas is the son of Antonio Pedroza and Teresa Macias Valadez
Gertrudis is the daughter of Sebastian Macias Valadez and Petronila Muñoz de Nava
Sebastian is the son of Balthazar Macias Valadez and Luisa Jimenez Olibares
Balthazar is the son of Alonso Macias Valadez and Ursula Alvarez
Alonso is the son of Nicolas Alonso Macias Valadez and Leonor
Retamosa
Nicolas Macias is the son of Blas Macias and Catalina Ramirez
Petronila Muñoz de Nava (aka Muñoz de Hermosillo, aka Lopez de Nava) is the daughter of Luis Muñoz de Nava and Catalina Garcia de Hermosillo.
Catalina Is the daughter of Agustin Garcia de Hermosillo and Maria Muñoz de la Barba
The Garcia de Hermosillo surname comes from the father of the two Gonzalez de Hermosillo brothers that came to the "Indias" from Spain. That father's name was Gonzalo Garcia de Hermosillo. As sons of Gonzalo they took the surname Gonzalez de Hermosillo (Gonzalez means son of Gonzalo).
Wish you a great start to the new school year,
Rick
Gertrudis Macias Valadez
Thank you very much, Rick. I will look up the dates of baptisms, weddings, etc. Do you know if they are easily searchable on LDS films through familysearch?
Thank you so much for sharing this info with me.
Saludos de
Kassandra
Gertrudis Macias & Nicolas Cayetano Pedroza, interesting note
As simply an interesting side note regarding our ancestors Nicolas Cayetano Pedroza and his wife Gertrudis Macias, in my research notes from 1997, I came across the following baptismal entry of an abandoned child left at the home of Don Nicolas de Pedrosa:
Baptism of María del Rosario
1749 Apr 20, El Zaus, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, Mexico
LDS Film #220664
Zaus // Ma. del Rosario // expuesta // 446 //
En la Pila de Nra. Sra. de S. Ju. feliga. de Xatn. en vein // te de Abril de setos. qta. y nueve a. como the. de Cura del Sr. Lcdo. // Dn. Jph. Feijao, Bapise puse los s. oleos a Ma. del Rosario expuesta // a la casa de Nicolas de Pedrosa, fueron P.P. el dho. Nicolas, y Gertru // dis Masias a quienes adverti su obligacon. y parentesco y lo firme // Pedro Joseph de // Cuellar y Gonz.
A few Muslim ancestors
Marcelina is correct that descendants of Alteños have some Muslim ancestry. As a percentage of the DNA, it is very small. My research has gone beyond the borders of Mexico and extended to the Iberian peninsula and beyond. From our ancestors in Spain I have at least five lines of Muslim ancestry for Christian ancestors of Alteños. Six if you count who I believe to be Carlo Lomelini's mother. I present the evidence for these claims in my book. One of these lines is the Martin del Campo who have French, German, Muslim, and Spanish ancestors.
Rick A. Ricci
Ramas Ramírez
Hola a todos:
La familia Ramírez desciende del Infante Don Ramiro de Navarra, quien según la leyenda fue a la primera cruzada tomando la piscina probática de Jerusalén. Dicho infante dio lugar al linaje Ramírez de la Piscina, para tener una aproximación a los descendientes puedes ver la página Casa y solar Ramírez de la Piscina. De ahí se van desprendiendo ramas, una de ellas es la de los mariscales de Castilla: Ramírez de Arellano. Ésta rama tuvo a su servicio varias familias judías que se bautizaron también como Ramírez.
Ésta familia se va asentando en diferentes lugares de la península ya que participó en las órdenes militares de San Juan de Jerusalén y en la Orden del Temple.
Una de las ramas se estableció en Villescusa de Haro y de esa rama desciende Don Sebastián Ramírez de Fuenleal que fue uno de los primeros gobernantes después de Cristóbal y Diego Colón, quien facilitó la entrada en las Indias de muchos de sus parientes.
Yo desciendo de la rama Ramírez de Coy que se extendió por más de diez países, hay una rama en Arandas fundada por Doña Jerónima Ramírez de Coy y Miguel de Coss y León. Es una rama muy extendida relacionada también con los Ramírez de Alarcón. Hasta la fecha no he estudiado a la rama Ramírez de Hermosillo para saber de qué rama desciende.
No creo que los Ramírez de Hermosillo ni los Ramírez de Coy desciendan de la rama de Muley Hacen. Ésta rama es difícil de identificar pues durante las conversiones se bautizó quizá a miles de personas con los nombres de Isabel y Fernando en honor a los reyes. La hija de Muley Hacén y su marido fueron bautizados como Fernando Ramírez e Isabel Ramírez.
Visita la ermita de Santa María de la Piscina en la Rioja.
Saludos
Marcelina
Ramas Ramírez
Gracias por la respuesta, Marcelina, y sobre la información sobre la leyenda del Infante Don Ramiro de Navarre que dio lugar al linaje Ramírez de la Piscina. Sería interesante saber si los Ramírez de Hermosillo desciendan de la(s) mismas ramas pero, como Ud. señala, dadas las miles de conversiones y además con los nombre de Fernando e Isabel, es muy difícil identificar.
Si voy a España algún día, tendré que visitar la ermita de Santa María de la Piscina en la Rioja.
Saludos de
Kassandra
Martín del Campo
Dear Rick,
Thank you for your reply. Given our recent exchange about the rabbinic line and Germany, does Martín del Campo, if we go back far enough, tie into that at all?
It is very timely that you mention the Martín del Campo line because the subject of this surname came up at our recent family get together a few weeks ago. When I l was researching through the SHHAR group, Mary Lou had helped me fill out this line, to Capitan Lázaro Martín del Campo.
I have done some reading on this site of past postings about the Martín del Campo surname(i.e. the 2003 posting http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/archives/2003h1/msg00200.html). It appears that it is purely an alteño composed surname.
I have many cousins who are Campos. The family story is that the name was originally Martín del Campo. Do you know that to be correct, Rick, and if so, about when did the surname begin to deviate from Martín del Campo to Campos (I have read that there are also Martínez in the los Altos region, which derived from Martín del Campo).
Has more work been done to go past Capitan Lázaro Martín del Campo?
Lastly, when can we expect your book to be published, Rick. I, for one, am very eager to purchase it.
Best,
Kassandra
Martín del Campo
Dear Kassandra,
The Martin del Campo does not have anything to do with the Jewish lines that I have studied. They can be traced to a certain French town through DNA which confirms the paper trail record that I have. They do have a German ancestor.
Yes, more research has been done to go further than Lazaro Martin del Campo. I have that information in my book. In support of that research is physical evidence. Last year I was at a family gathering after a funeral of a fourth cousin when the topic came up as to how I was related to everyone there. My fourth cousins mother's surname is Martin del Campo. I explained that we were fourth cousins through the Martin del Campo. I also stated that I had been a close friend of the family before I found out that we were related. They asked me to explain how I came to find out how we were related so I told them how I have spent most of my life researching the genealogy of Los Altos de Jalisco. I explained where the Martin de Campo had come from before coming to Mexico.
I was pleasantly surprised with the response, that I had confirmed what one of them had already known through a doctor who had analyzed the results of some physical tests she had taken. It seems that she had been to a doctor who stated that they were dumbfounded by her results of their testing of a physical condition as the results were similar to those found only with a connection to a certain town in France, since she was of Mexican descent. This person that received this report from the doctor is not an official member of nuestrosranchos but she told me that a friend of hers is, and that her friend helps her access the site and reads many of the posts to her. I hope she responds to this post through her friend to confirm this report.
The closest Muslim ancestor that I know of is Carlo Lomellini's mother, and it is yet to be confirmed that he is the same Carlo Lomelin of our ancestry. All of the other Muslim ancestry that I mentioned goes way back, before the 1500's. Now that you have me thinking about the French and Muslim ancestry, I recall that another ancestor of ours that is French was known to have Muslim ancestry. We descend from the sister of this great French knight who was very famous and most stories about him include that his father's side of the family had some Muslim ancestry. So we have six confirmed Muslim ancestries before the 1500's, with the seventh Muslim ancestry being the mother of Carlo Lomellini, who is the only one born after 1500. This French knight brother of our ancestor plays a big role in the family history of our de la Torre Ledesma family.
Wife and I have many Martin del Campo ancestors. Our closest blood relationship is through our Martin del Campo lines. My wife and I are fifth cousins many times over. As to your Campos line, my mother-in-law, who is also relative of yours, is also from San Miguel el Alto, and she has Campos in her family tree. I traced the Campos line and found where it had changed from Martin del Campo. So it has been confirmed by me that it is a branch of the same family,
I don't know when the book is being published because I have to put everything aside, and get back to teaching as the school year starts next week. I am changing grades, and schools, so I plan on being very busy the next few months. My daughter also has a tough year coming up as she is entering her junior year in high school and expects me to be by her side as she tackles AP Calculus. That is why i took precalculus this summer and put off finishing the book. I don't recommend taking precalculus in a condensed summer time period as there is a tremendous amount of material to be covered in too short of a time. It probably didn't help that I still continued a little genealogy research as I dug deep down into the Herrera family history when I should have only been focused on precalculus and trigonometry, but genealogy research is a tough habit to break. I will keep you up to date as to when it will be published. A couple of days ago I sent my latest research findings on the Herrera's family to our mutual friend and cousin, Mary Lou. I will soon post those results on the Herrera's here on nuestrosranchos.
Thanks,
Rick
P.S. I descend from the sister of the greatest French knight, the sister of the greatest Spanish knight, from el Cid who is the most famous knight, and a possible descent from he greatest knight that ever lived, William Marshall, through my de la Torre Ledesma line. I hope to have a section in my book on these knights describing their feats, and how they, or their sisters, left descendants in Los altos de Jalisco.
Martín del Campo and French genetic condition?
Dear Rick,
You have really piqued my interest with the Martín del Campos French connection, particularly since I married a Frenchman and I have lived and studied in France! What town/village do our line(s)/the Martín del Campos trace back to in France?
The genetic condition you made reference to made me think of one of my own sisters. I have no idea what the condition is that you are referring to, but one of my own sisters, and now her son, was born with a Mongolian birth mark. Our childhood pediatrician, who also happened to be my mother's pediatrician when she was a child, said it came down through my mother's los Altos side. Interesting. Have you ever heard of this in your family discussions/research? You got me thinking with what you mentioned.
I, too, am now in the thick of preparing for the new school year. Where are you located? Would love to meet up some time. Perhaps we can get all the primos together who do research. I remember being at Marylou's house with Mariano Gonzalez Leal about 20 years ago and having an absolutely magical afternoon. Time goes so fast. We need to carry on the torch!
Suerte with the new school year,
Kassandra
French Knight
Which French Knight?
Four of the greatest Knights ever!
Greatest French knight: Bertrand du Guesclin.( he had a little Muslim ancestry on his father's side)
Greatest Spanish knight: Juan "Bravo" Merlo (he did have Potuguese ancestry, along with a French Jewish ancestor.)
Most Famous knight: " el Cid " Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar. (Spanish ancestry)
Greatest Knight that ever lived: William Marshall (Englishman, with some French ancestry)
Martín del Campo and French genetic condition?
Hello Rick,
I'm picking up this thread again and hoping we can continue the conversation about the Martín del Campo line and the research you've done on them tracing them back to a certain town in France? Would love to what town that is and the genetic condition tied to that town you made reference to in your posting of 8/9/17.
Hope the new school year is off to a great start for you.
Best regards,
prima Kassandra
Presentación personal /
Saludos Kassandra,
In my earlier post, I mentioned that you were related to both me and my wife. What I should have written was that we are related repeatedly due to the " endogamia" amongst "los Alteños".
I have much information to add to your family tree. I don't have a publishing date because I keep finding new information that I am adding to the book. Professional and family duties prevent me from working full time on this hobby.
I have done much research on a couple of your ancestors that you have as a deadend. Unfortunately I still have more research to do before posting my conclusions on the ancestry of Nicolas de Loza and Antonia Diaz de Leon. Unfortunately, some genealogists have posted false family trees on this couple. They confuse Antonia with an aunt of hers with the same name. They also give different parents for Nicolas Loza. Manny's research has provided valuable leads to figuring out the puzzle.
Some of the Jewish ancestry is not Sephardic. Ashkenazi Jews from France and Germany left descendants in northern Spain that I believe to be the ancestors of Toribio Hernandez Arellano. One of our Jewish lines can be traced for many many centuries because it is a rabbinic line that left records in Spain and in Germany. The German branch took many records with them when they left Spain. These records show the line for over two thousand years, with the family living for a time in what is now Iraq.
Your cousin,
Rick A. Ricci
Ashkenazi Jewish Lineage and more
Now this is absolutely fascinating, primo! It corroborates the family stories of having ancestors from France and northern Spain. I had not heard of a connection to Germany but rather to Austria, but perhaps that was Germany given the political demarcations of the era in which the story was passed on?
Some of the rabbinic lineage being Ashkenazi through northern Spain is intriguing. When did this German line leave Spain? Would that have been in 1492 at the time of the Alhambra Decree or at a different time?
I am still presuming there are a few Sephardic Jewish lines in our lineage...? If so, which ones would they be? I am wondering if they are in the Padilla line by chance? This is just a hunch, nothing more. Please know that I have not touched my research in years and at that time I was ordering microfilms a few at a time and scrolling through them "old school!" To now see so many from the parishes of Jalos, San Miguel, San Juan de los Lagos, etc. all posted online is such a gift!
Clearly, countless hours of investigation have been done by members of this group. Since one of the families I mentioned in my first post shares Loza lineage with me, we will make sure to not make the mistake of confusing the ancestry of Antonia Díaz. This is very helpful information. Muchísimas gracias.
Hasta pronto,
Kassandra
Ashkenazi Jewish Lineage and more
Kassandra,
You are correct as to there being a descent from Austria that is connected to southern France and northern Spain. This is the Ashkenazi line connected to what I believe is the ancestry of Toribio Hernandez Arellano. I have been studying different Jewish lines in the Iberian peninsula. The Padilla ancestry does include Sephardic ancestry just as you suspected. The de la Torre Ledesma line is related to this Sephardic ancestry.
The German line that I wrote about had to do with Jews leaving Spain and going to Germany. These Jews took their family records with them and stayed Jewish. so we had very distant cousins that we could connect to through family records that suffered through the holocaust. The records survived although many of our distant cousins did not.
I started over forty years ago so I too did much of my research "old school", and although much of my research has been advanced through technology, I am glad that I went through the Old school way of researching as it provided Much practice in looking for "threads", and following up on these clues.
Mary Lou has also helped me with my research. Just recently, she provided valuable papers for my research on Lope Ruiz de Esparza.
Hasta pronto,
Rick
Padilla and Ashkenazi/Sephardic Jewish Lineage +
Thank you for confirming that hunch on the Padilla line, Rick, and the de la Torre Ledesma link to this Sephardic ancestry.
Indeed, much was to be learned through scrolling through the films and following up on threads.
How interesting that the German line about which you wrote earlier went to Germany and suffered the holocaust.
Just last week when researching one of the families from my school I came across a Padilla dispensation with some good information. I will post it to share with everyone, in case it is useful for others doing Padilla research.
Gracias de nuevo,
Kassandra
Linajes musulmanes
Hola Kassandra.
Así como hay diferentes estudios sobre los linajes criptojudíos también los hay sobre las familias criptomusulmanas. Algunos musulmanes forzados a convertirse al cristianismo se agruparon en cofradías que les permitieron conservar algunas costumbres.
Yo desciendo de los Ramírez de Coy, es decir de Coy, Murcia ligados a las órdenes militares en algún momento supuse que podrían ser criptomusulmanes pero no se confirmó mi hipótesis. Aún así estuve leyendo sobre esos temas.
Al estudiar dichos temas -además porque toda mi familia admira a Federico García Lorca- me di cuenta que éste no era precisamente gitano en cuanto a su inspiración, incluso el Romancero Gitano no es en realidad gitano sino andalucista (criptomusulmán) ya que la única poesía completamente gitana es el Romance de la Guardia Civil Española, los demás poemas en realidad se refieren a temas de Al Andaluz por ejemplo "hijo de Benamejí".
Al leer diversas biografías del poeta creí que lo persiguieron por su orientación de izquierda o su orientación sexual, pero parece que en realidad estuvo involucrado con el movimiento andalucista que pretendía un regreso a la cultura hispano musulmana. Si te interesara el tema puedes ver en youtube la historia de Blas Infante, quien por cierto fue también fusilado en esa época. Existen retratos de Federico con ropa musulmana, con turbante.
Aunque mi hipótesis sobre los Ramírez no se confirmó sí encontré una rama musulmana de la familia Ramírez que desciende de Muley Hacén.
Marcelina
Linajes criptomusulmanes
Querida Marcelina,
Esto jamás he escuchado, y lo encuentro absolutamente fascinante. Voy a ver la historia de Blas Infante en YouTube; el hecho de que García Lorca estuvo involucrado con el movimiento andalucista que pretendía un regreso a la cultura hispano-musulmuna es un gran descubrimiento para mi y, efectivamente, cambia toda interpretación/análisis de su obra..
En cuanto a una rama musulmana en la familia Ramírez que desciende de Muley Hacen, ¿cual rama Ramírez de los Altos?
En mi linaje yo desciendo de Nicolas Ramírez de Hermosillo cc Rosa Bárbara Gutiérrez el 26 de enero 1761 en Nuestra Sra. de la Asunción, Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. Según unas notitas que tengo, sus hijos eran:
1.Encarnación cc Juan Miguel de Herrera
2. Juana María Gertrudis, b. Jan 1763, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
3. María Catola Gertrudis, b. April 1764, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
4. Juana María Gerrutidis b. Jan 1766, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
5., Joseph Salvador , b. Oct 1767, b. Jalostotitlan
6. Nicolas Salvador Olayo R., b. Feb. 1769, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
7. Juana Rosa Gertrudis, b. Oct. 1770, San Juan de los Lagos, Jalisco
¿Es este linaje Ramírez de Hermosillo acaso el que fuera musulman? ¿O tal vez otro Ramírez por otra rama...?
Gracias por su ayuda.
Kassandra
Welcome
Welcome to the group Kassandra. You are a distant cousin of mine. You are also a distant cousin of my wife whose parents are from San Miguel el Alto.
Here is a little addition to your family tree:
Cristobal Vasquez de Lara is married on the 28/Oct/1668 to Juana Fernandez de Rueda. Juana is the daughter of Alonso Fernandez de Rueda and Ana De Anda Altamirano.
Ana is the daughter of Juan De Anda Altamirano and Juana Ruiz de Nava.
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Juan De Anda Altamirano is the son of Pedro de Anda Altamirano and Beatriz Gonzalez de Castañeda.
Beatriz is the daughter of Pedro de Castañeda
These are also your ancestors:
Luis Padilla married to Fabiana Diaz Tiscareño
Luis is the son of Francisco de Padilla and Ana Munoz de la Barba.
Fabiana is the daughter of Nicolas Diaz and Juana Isassi Martin del Campo
From Fabiana you descend from Lope Ruiz de Esparza and his wife. I am writing a book on his and her ancestry. His wife descends from Moctezuma II. I have stories of some of the family members' bad experience with the inquisition. I also have some other family stories that I find interesting.
Good luck in your research,
Rick A. Ricci
Welcome
Muchísimas gracias, Rick! My Marquez cousins have spoken about the Moctezuma connection, and it has been a mystery to me so I am so glad to know the lineage now. I have been keenly interested in the Sephardic ancestry, too, and researching quite a bit about it. I understand that the Padilla and Muñoz lines were probably conversos... as well as others in our shared lineage? Any information you can share with me on that would be most helpful. Thank you so much for replying to my post.
I look forward to reading your upcoming book. When will it be published?
Saludos de
Kassandra
Antiguos apellidos
Hola Kassandra:
El apellido Riquelme proviene de Murcia, España, de la zona de Lorca llamada Coy de los Riquelmes.
El apellido Machuca es de Granada, España.
Los Lomelín puedes estudiarlos en los nodos anteriores proviene de Génova, más atrás de Lombardía y posiblemente de los bárbaros longobardos.
Hay ya muchos avances en el estudio de algunas ramas por lo que te recomiendo que explores los estudios de Manny, Richard, El Capitán Paco...
Saludos y bienvenida
Marcelina
Antiguos apellidos
Hola Marcelina,
Muchas gracias por la respuesta y por la información sobre el apellido Riquelme. No sabía que proviene de la zona de Federico García Lorca. Conozco muy bien su obra pues he enseñado su obra desde hace años. Qué lindo saber esto, y además que Machuca es apellido granadino. Es curioso el apellido, ¿no?
Voy a explorar los estudios de Manny, Richard y el Capitán Paco. Gracias de nuevo.
Kassandra
Antiguos apellidos
Gracias Marcelina por tu recommendacion.
Rick A. Ricci
Introduction
Good Evening,
I would like to introduce myself as a new member to the Nuestros Ranchos
genealogy group.
My name is Justin Marquez Martin (Blanck mother's name). I am American born
and first generation Mexican American whose mother was American..
My father was born in Sam Miguel el Alto, Jalisco Mexico in April 1903.
I am interested in research the following families from "Los Altos":
*Marquez*
*Martin del Campo*
*Rabago*
I can be reached at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Marinero
I look forward to learning more about my Mexican families.
Regards,
Justin Martin
.
Justin Martin
Hello, Justin! Welcome. This is a great place to learn about your familial roots! All the best to you, Marge:)
Introduction
Welcome, Primo. I descend from Lazaro Martin del Campo (~1654-1730, San
Juan de los Lagos, JA) by way of his daughter, Juana Maria Martin del Campo
de Hermosillo. Martin del Campo is one of the surnames included in Retonos
de Espana de la Nueva Galicia por Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. "Marques de los
Olivos" and Rabago are also surnames in this series. I recommend you
explore if your local library consortium, university or Hispanic genealogy
group has a copy of this series. I believe they are difficult and
expensive to obtain for purchase right now.
Raquel Ruiz
Portland, OR
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Martin
wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
> I would like to introduce myself as a new member to the Nuestros Ranchos
> genealogy group.
>
> My name is Justin Marquez Martin (Blanck mother's name). I am American born
> and first generation Mexican American whose mother was American..
>
> My father was born in Sam Miguel el Alto, Jalisco Mexico in April 1903.
>
> I am interested in research the following families from "Los Altos":
>
> *Marquez*
> *Martin del Campo*
> *Rabago*
>
> I can be reached at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Marinero
>
> I look forward to learning more about my Mexican families.
>
> Regards,
> Justin Martin
>
> .
Introduction
Welcome Primos.
I too descend from Lazaro Martin del Campo's father Bartolome and brother Miguel who was born in 1630. Bartolome was the first one born in Mexico - San Juan de los Lagos. They originally came from Blaas in Revilla de Campo, Palencia, Spain who was born in 1520.
It's a small world!
-----Original Message-----
From: Raquel Ruiz
To: research
Sent: Sun, Mar 11, 2018 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction
Welcome, Primo. I descend from Lazaro Martin del Campo (~1654-1730, San
Juan de los Lagos, JA) by way of his daughter, Juana Maria Martin del Campo
de Hermosillo. Martin del Campo is one of the surnames included in Retonos
de Espana de la Nueva Galicia por Mariano Gonzalez-Leal. "Marques de los
Olivos" and Rabago are also surnames in this series. I recommend you
explore if your local library consortium, university or Hispanic genealogy
group has a copy of this series. I believe they are difficult and
expensive to obtain for purchase right now.
Raquel Ruiz
Portland, OR
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Jerry Martin
wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
> I would like to introduce myself as a new member to the Nuestros Ranchos
> genealogy group.
>
> My name is Justin Marquez Martin (Blanck mother's name). I am American born
> and first generation Mexican American whose mother was American..
>
> My father was born in Sam Miguel el Alto, Jalisco Mexico in April 1903.
>
> I am interested in research the following families from "Los Altos":
>
> *Marquez*
> *Martin del Campo*
> *Rabago*
>
> I can be reached at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Marinero
>
> I look forward to learning more about my Mexican families.
>
> Regards,
> Justin Martin
>
> .
Introduction
Welcome to the group. Were you looking to find information or are stuck on
anyone specific?
Danny C. Alonso
On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:36 PM Jerry Martin wrote:
> Good Evening,
>
> I would like to introduce myself as a new member to the Nuestros Ranchos
> genealogy group.
>
> My name is Justin Marquez Martin (Blanck mother's name). I am American born
> and first generation Mexican American whose mother was American..
>
> My father was born in Sam Miguel el Alto, Jalisco Mexico in April 1903.
>
> I am interested in research the following families from "Los Altos":
>
> *Marquez*
> *Martin del Campo*
> *Rabago*
>
> I can be reached at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/Marinero
>
> I look forward to learning more about my Mexican families.
>
> Regards,
> Justin Martin
>
> .