Research Digest, Vol 102, Issue 9

Hi Armando,
I did my autosomal DNA and mtdna with Family tree. What time period does it reflect? Is it recent or over 1000 years old? Thanks. Maven200

> On Jul 15, 2014, at 10:41 AM, Armando wrote:
>
> You are taking your autosomal DNA results literally which is what a lot of
> people that are new to DNA do with their results. If you were to see the
> results of both parents or aunts and uncles and also of siblings and
> cousins you would very likely see different results. That is what happens
> with most people. The different results are a sign that the results have to
> be looked at in a general sense and compared with lots of people to better
> understand them. One of the very few ethnicities found in Mexicans that can
> be detected in autosomal DNA by the three DNA testing companies and the
> freely available calculators is the Native American DNA. Other than that
> you would see that Europeans with no Iberian ancestry show Iberian in their
> genealogy. That means that autosomal SNP markers that Iberians have are
> attributed to Iberians and not Europeans in general as they should be. All
> Europeans have some shared ancestry which is why you show northern European
> and eastern European in your results. It is not because you have ancestry
> within the past 500 to 1,000 years from those areas.
>
> The reason is because all of the Old World populations intermixed and there
> have been waves of migrations from East to West. First there was the
> Paleolithic Age, then the Mesolithic age, and then the Neolithic in which
> there was an agricultural revolution. Then there was the Bronze Age and
> then the Iron Age. Each of those periods caused movements of people from
> the Middle East and Near East to the West and they mixed with the people
> that were already in the regions that they moved into causing their
> descendants to carry their SNP markers. If you look at the Dodecad globe13
> spreadsheet or the Eurogenes K13 spreadsheet you would see how similar many
> European countries really are. National Geographic shows the same thing at
> https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/ Those
> amounts are an average though and it is only with the program ADMIXTURE
> that you can see the range of mixture in a population.
>
> When Europeans and Mexicans are plotted in a PCA map as seen on page 37 of
> the supplementary data of the recent DNA study of Mexico at
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/06/11/344.6189.1280.DC1/Mo…
> you can see that Mexicans are closest to Iberians than any other European
> group. This shows that a majority of our non-Amerindian ancestry really is
> from Iberia. Daniel was correct in stating that the people of we are mainly
> castellanos. The DNA results agree with the proven documentation. The Y-DNA
> and mtDNA of the people of the region is also mostly of European origin.
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
> 2014-07-14 22:43 GMT-05:00 Art De Leon :
>
>> we all seem to assume that we are descendant of Spain, but just like my
>> DNA, it reveal that my blood line has a minor percentage of an Iberian
>> marker and more with northern and eastern Europe and Eastern European
>> Jewish, along with my native American marker. A number of my antepasados
>> are listed as españoles or español natural, I wonder who amongst them was
>> of jewish descent.

Armando,

What does "castellanos" mean? Does it mean they were from Castile, or is that a term for people from the Iberian Peninsula? My Spanish friend told me her father was a castellano because he was born in Castile and spoke castilian, but she said she was a Pamplonica because she was born in Pamplona, Navarre, and those people spoke another language. Actually, when we were on vacation in Spain, we found that each province had their own languages or different words from what we thought they were; they also were very provincial about their own area, telling us that we wouldn't like Barcelona as much as Madrid, things like that. So even over there, they debate their origins and which province and people, etc. are better.

My father had Basque ancestors, and my husband's DNA showed T1 Mesopotamian. Being a woman I can only find my mother's DNA which is Native American, Pre-Columbian. I wish I had had brothers or male cousins who carried my father's line.

Thanks,

Emilie
Port Orchard, WA

> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2014 10:41:11 -0500
> From: fandemma@gmail.com
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Research Digest, Vol 102, Issue 9
>
> You are taking your autosomal DNA results literally which is what a lot of
> people that are new to DNA do with their results. If you were to see the
> results of both parents or aunts and uncles and also of siblings and
> cousins you would very likely see different results. That is what happens
> with most people. The different results are a sign that the results have to
> be looked at in a general sense and compared with lots of people to better
> understand them. One of the very few ethnicities found in Mexicans that can
> be detected in autosomal DNA by the three DNA testing companies and the
> freely available calculators is the Native American DNA. Other than that
> you would see that Europeans with no Iberian ancestry show Iberian in their
> genealogy. That means that autosomal SNP markers that Iberians have are
> attributed to Iberians and not Europeans in general as they should be. All
> Europeans have some shared ancestry which is why you show northern European
> and eastern European in your results. It is not because you have ancestry
> within the past 500 to 1,000 years from those areas.
>
> The reason is because all of the Old World populations intermixed and there
> have been waves of migrations from East to West. First there was the
> Paleolithic Age, then the Mesolithic age, and then the Neolithic in which
> there was an agricultural revolution. Then there was the Bronze Age and
> then the Iron Age. Each of those periods caused movements of people from
> the Middle East and Near East to the West and they mixed with the people
> that were already in the regions that they moved into causing their
> descendants to carry their SNP markers. If you look at the Dodecad globe13
> spreadsheet or the Eurogenes K13 spreadsheet you would see how similar many
> European countries really are. National Geographic shows the same thing at
> https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/reference-populations/ Those
> amounts are an average though and it is only with the program ADMIXTURE
> that you can see the range of mixture in a population.
>
> When Europeans and Mexicans are plotted in a PCA map as seen on page 37 of
> the supplementary data of the recent DNA study of Mexico at
> http://www.sciencemag.org/content/suppl/2014/06/11/344.6189.1280.DC1/Mo…
> you can see that Mexicans are closest to Iberians than any other European
> group. This shows that a majority of our non-Amerindian ancestry really is
> from Iberia. Daniel was correct in stating that the people of we are mainly
> castellanos. The DNA results agree with the proven documentation. The Y-DNA
> and mtDNA of the people of the region is also mostly of European origin.
>
> Regards,
> Armando
>
>
> 2014-07-14 22:43 GMT-05:00 Art De Leon :
>
> > we all seem to assume that we are descendant of Spain, but just like my
> > DNA, it reveal that my blood line has a minor percentage of an Iberian
> > marker and more with northern and eastern Europe and Eastern European
> > Jewish, along with my native American marker. A number of my antepasados
> > are listed as españoles or español natural, I wonder who amongst them was
> > of jewish descent.
> >
> >
> >