Research Digest, Vol 101, Issue 10

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Now I am more stunned that I just realized that Ed Serros, one of the
members of this website has already found my GGGGG Grandfather Blas Madera
and I copied the part in what he wrote on one of my past posts:

"I too have family from the areas you describe. For what it is worth, I
have repeatedly found the Madera family not only in Huejuquilla el Alto but
in the nearby town of Mezquitic, Jalisco. The marriages and baptisms of the
Maderas in Mezquitic date back to at least 1686 (Mormon film numbers
1164940 and 1164952). I suspect this is the same family since these towns
were all frontier land back then. The elite (well-to-do mestizos, criollos,
and the rare peninsular) all intermarried; distance was not a major issue
but "class" was. It was preferable to marry a non-NAI. The ultimate prize
for a criollo family was to marry a peninsular but it was OK to marry
another criollo or well-to-do mestizo (re-labeled "espanol"), near as I can
figure from my review of centuries of records in the local area and books
that I have read. Bottom line: I think we are talking about the same Madera
family, with branches thereof. Also by 1686, at least one of the Madera
family members, Blas Madera, so
n of Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez, was labeled as mestizo. He married
into the espanol Avila family: wife Maria Theresa Avila, daughter of Miguel
de Avila and Gertrudis de Robles, both "espanoles." The Robles and Madera
family continued to intermarry for at least a century or two."

Thank you Ed Serros! That is the Blas Madera who is my GGGGG Grandfather
and to confirm it the wife is Maria Theresa Avila.

So Blas Madera is the son of Joseph Madera and Josepha Basquez? That gives
me another generation to make them my GGGGGG Grandparents.

I am also curious about Pedro Huizar and Maria Magdalena Navarette who are
from Valparaiso and the parents of my GGGG Grandmother Maria Leocadia De
Huizar.

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Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:53:15 -0700
From: Daniel Alejandro M?ndez de Torres y Camino

To: Nuestros Ranchos
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Fabiana Diaz de Tiscareno
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Ronnie,

This is my line. Independently, as historians or researchers we must prefer
primary sources, as in documents that were made in the moment of the event.
Thus, a marriage record is primary due to the fact that the marriage is
occurring before the priest. A dispensa would be considered secondary,
though it can be primary if a witness actually knew the ancestors and had
information pertaining to the ancestry of an individual. Could you pass the
link where I can study this dispensa? I am interested. I have already found
numerous dispensas with major errors, others with only some mistakes; for
the most part they are very reliable.

I descend from Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno in the following manner, just to
mention a couple of generations:

Nicolas Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Juana de Isasi y Campo (Martin del Campo)
Bernabe Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Maria de Cobos
Maria de las Mercedes Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Pedro Antonio de Medina y
Castaneda
Coronel Simon de Medina y Diaz de Tiscareno cc. Trinidad de Urrueta y
Velasco

This last couple married on 9 November 1814 in Guadalajara. Couple more
generations down and you reach my father.

Daniel MdTC

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 20:13:33 -0700
From: mcortez
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Researcher Needs Help
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>
> Alicia is correct. I was hired and researched the family in question. I
> took it back to Jose de la Lus Ramirez. They want someone to take the line
> back to Spain. I didn't want to make any promises about being able to
trace
> that family to Spain since there are gaps in the Jerez records. I reached
> out to Linda and she confirmed it.

> The Producers asked for the name of a Researcher in Mexico and I suggested
> Salvador Cabral Valdes since he has done so much research in Jerez, but he
> did not respond to our e-mails.

> The civil records would not be of any help since the civil registry didn't
> exist in that time period.
>

Maria Cortez

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Research [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On
> > Behalf Of Alicia Carrillo
> > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:27 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] PBS Researcher Needs Help
> >
> > FYI,
> >
> > Maria Cortez of Nuestros Ranchos and Nueva Galicia Genealogical Society
> > is currently doing research for PBS, Finding your roots, the Henry
> > Louis Gates production. That would make 2 people from Nuestros Ranchos.
> >
> > Alicia
> >
>

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 21:16:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: "research@nuestrosranchos.org"
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Matrimonkio of My GGGG
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hello, thank you. My?maternal line lived in Tamazula, Jalisco and Michoac?n
before that. My gr-grandmother and Daniels gr-gr grandfather were
siblings?but Daniels maternal line was from los Altos.? My paternal family
was from Jerez, Zac but my Castanon line was from Valparaiso where they
left in mid 1700's for Jerez. I have not been able to locate any records
from Valparaiso so if you find them please let me know.
Linda in Olympia, Wa.

On Monday, June 9, 2014 8:36 PM, "zacatecano020@hotmail.com" <
zacatecano020@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Linda for following my posts and giving me your advice.? Interesting
what you tell me about your family so your family is from the Lagos area? I
know where that is since I have passed by there on bus and also on car.

You should have seen how I felt as soon as I turned the page to the next
one and began? to read and the first words "Joseph Francisco Madera"? I
froze and my heart jumped.? I immediately read the rest of the paragraph to
look for "Maria Leocadia De Huizar" and sure enough her name is there to
verify it is my GGGG Grandfather Francisco Madera.

Also I saw the name "Blas Madera and Maria Theresa Abila" as the parents of
Francisco Madera and they are from Mesquitic.? Then saw the names Pedro
Huizar and Maria Magdelena Navarette, Espanoles as the parents of Maria
Leocadia Huizar and from Valparaiso.? ? I was saying to myself??
Mesquitic?? Valparaiso? What????

I was assuming my ancestors were one of the original founders of the
village of Huejuquilla El Alto, Jalisco, Mexico which was founded on March
23, 1573 as stated by the Government of our village.?

But now I am beginning to wonder some of the Ranchos surrounding
Huejuquilla were formed in the early 1700's?? Probably the parents of
Francisco Madera came over from Mesquitic to found Rancho De Los Maderas
and the parents of Maria Leocadia Huizar came over from Valparaiso to
settle in another nearby rancho.

Regarding Mesquitic?? If your traveling from the South side towards
Huejuquilla, Mesquitic is the last village before arriving to Huejuquilla.
In between Mesquitic and Huejuquilla is the Hacienda of San Antonio.

On the south side of Mesquitic is a very tall mountain where the small
village "Monte Escobedo" is way up there and from Monte Escobedo's point of
view when your travedling down the mountain towards Mesquitic,? Mesquitic
looks tiny from a distance.? And it is kind of scary the road when your
traveling down the mountain.? I wonder how in colonial times the people
from Monte Escobedo traveled down the mountain towards Mesquitic?

I also know very well Valparaiso since I have passed by that way many times
to go to the city of Zacatecas to be with the family of my female partner.?
Her family is from downtown of the city of Zacatecas.

Ok...now going back to the topic.? I am asking myself, were many of the
ranchos formed during the early 1700's around Huejuquilla?? I would have to
locate a registry that recorded that information during that time period.?
Did Blas Madera/Maria Theresa Abila and Pedro Huizar/Maria Magdalena
Navarette live in Huejuquilla?? I would think yes so then I can locate
their defunto records that must be sometime after the year 1760 because in
the matrimonio of Francisco Madera and Maria Leocadia De Huizar of 1760,
when their parent's names were mentioned it seems as if they were present
at the Matrimonio.? So my instinct now would have me look into the defunto
records after 1760 to see if I can find them and that would give me the
name of another generation of people if the "Cura (Priest)" wrote down the
name of the parents.

Another thing that was going through my mind was Pedro Huizar/Maria
Magdalena Navarette, who are from Valparaiso.? I would think they are the
same age as the kids of "Don Fernando De La Campa y Cos"? who is from "La
Hacienda of San Mateo" that is near Valparaiso.? And since Pedro
Huizar/Maria Magdalena Navarette were classified as Espanoles from
Valparaiso, I wonder if they had contact with the Conde Don Fernando De La
Campa Y Cos (1676 - 1754)?