On LDS
I am looking for Deciderio Tinajero from San Felipe Guanajuato Mexico .....When I enter his hame....he does come up but his son (Jose Marciano Tianjero Alonso) also comes up and it gives me the son's info not Deciderio. I need Deciderio's info like his parents name. How can I pull that on LDS on
I'm lookin under Mexico Baptisms 1700-1900.
Deciderio Tinarejo
Maria:
I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.
What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.
If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.
Deciderio Tinarejo
Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.
He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:
Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro
There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Maria:
I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.
What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.
If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.
Deciderio Tinarejo
Follow maximianas line to see if she had an ancestor with the huerta last name or if she had a previous marriage before you rule her out.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Cortes
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:34:44
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.
He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:
Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro
There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Maria:
I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.
What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.
If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.
Deciderio Tinarejo
When I enter Huerta as a last name...I get so many but her name never comes up even if I do Huerta all over Mexico not just Guanajuato. I looked through 20 pages with Huerta as a last name...shouldn't she come up eventually?
for example I find a Antonio Huerta born in 1820 in San Felipe. I pull Antonio as the parent to see if she comes up as a child but nothing. I have tried like 15 different people as parents and nothing. I need help.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 8:41 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Follow maximianas line to see if she had an ancestor with the huerta last name or if she had a previous marriage before you rule her out.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Maria Cortes
Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:34:44
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Well Actually I believe Deciderio is Andres Tinajero's brother and I am looking for Andres parents so I hoped that by looking for Deciddrio....Deciderio might show up with his parents names. The info I have for Andres Tinajero who is actaully the person I am looking for is the following.
He was married to Maximiana Huerta their kids were:
Maria Melquiades Tinajero Huerta ---12/17/1842 born in San Felipe Gto.
Ma Leonarda Tinajero Huerta---------11/14/1847 born in San Isidro de Ocampo (Close to San Felipe)
Jos Evaristo Tinajero Huerta--------11/07/1844 born in San Felipe
Jose Feliz Tinajero Huerta----------05/29/1850 born in San Isidro
Maria Eufemia Tinajero Huerta-------03/28/1841 bonr in San Isidro
Jose Remigo Tinajero Huerta---------10/11/1846 born in San Isidro
There is a marriage record of Andres Tinajero but it says that he married Maximiana Lopez in San Felipe so not sure if these would be them. I don't' think it's them because all the kids have Huerta as a last name. The marriage occured on 1840 in San Felipe Gto. I'm trying to find the parents of Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Huerta.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 5:27 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Deciderio Tinarejo
Maria:
I am not sure which version of the LDS database you are using, but if you are using the pilot, a name comes up even if the name appears as an ancillary person (parent or grandparent) of the record in which it appears.
What information do you have on Deciderio Tinajero? If you don't have a baptism or marriage record for him, how do you know he was from San Felipe? You will have to find one of those documents that pertains specifically to him (as opposed to his name appearing as an ancillary person) in order to find his birthdate, birthplace and names of his parents.
If he was baptizing a son in 1844, he was likely born in in the 1800-1820 timeframe. But he could have been born somewhere other than Guanajuato. It might make sense to try to find his marriage record first if you know his child's mother's name and one assumes they were married.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria:
My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).
Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.
You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Ok...I will order the film...hope it has the info I need.
Thanks a bunch.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria:
My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).
Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.
You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order it.
Thanks
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria:
My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations, especially in that time (early 1800s).
Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name, especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place) not to be the correct one.
You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria,
The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
Saludos desde lago salado
Eduardo H Seoane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Thank you.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria,
The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
Saludos desde lago salado
Eduardo H Seoane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Did he get married to Cecilia Alonso or Justa Resendes?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> Thank you.
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria,
>
> The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
>
> Saludos desde lago salado
> Eduardo H Seoane
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> order
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> marriage
> > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> >
> > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> between
> > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> there
> > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> political
> > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> place)
> > not to be the correct one.
> >
> > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch
> or
> > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
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Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
I found him married to Cecilia Alonso and had two kids One in San Felipe Gto. (Jose Marciano Tinajero Alonso) and (Jose Vidal Tinajero Alonso) born in San Isidro de Ocampo.
Andres Tinajero's kids were born some in San Felipe and some in San Isidro de Ocampo which both are really close to Ocampo Gto and that is where my 1900 family started in Ocampo so I'm following the line from San Felipe to San Isidro to Ocampo where Ocampo is current in my family.
There is another male that might also be Andres brother but not sure...
Sostenes Tinajero married to Sesaria Gomez and they had to kids in San Isidor de Ocampo.
Jose Demetrio Tinajero Gomez and Eutiquio Tinajero Gomez.
On Deciderio and Sostenes I'm just guessing that they are Andres brothers I could be wrong but like I said....I'm following the line and date seem to consider.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:25 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Did he get married to Cecilia Alonso or Justa Resendes?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> Thank you.
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria,
>
> The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
>
> Saludos desde lago salado
> Eduardo H Seoane
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> order
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> marriage
> > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> >
> > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> between
> > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> there
> > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> political
> > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> place)
> > not to be the correct one.
> >
> > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch
> or
> > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
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Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Deciderio also had a daughter named Esiquia who married Crecencio
Salas. They had a child in San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco born the 11 APR 1866
Christened 14 APR 1866 Film 639963 Batch C606071 Deciderio Tinajera and
Cecilia Alonzo show up as the Abuelos Maternos (Maternal Grand Parents).
Deciderio has another daughter named: Maria Prudenciana Christened on 1
June, 1848 in San Isidro De Ocaqmpo, Guanajuato and born on 19 May 1848,
film 646896 page 140 the Padrinos are: Andres Tinagera and Maximiana Huerta
(Notice the Padrinos). Often siblings are the Padrinos.
I also found a record in a database that had the Christening for a Ma.
Hesiquia Tinagero Murillo that was Christened on 22 November 1846, in San
Isidro De Ocampo, Guanajuato, Mexico, film 646895, Batch C606822. The father
was listed as Deciderio Tinagero and Cecilia Murillo this might be the
Esiquia mentioned in the first paragraph (maybe).
Oh and the marriage did not yield any additional information not even the
ages of the bride and groom. There are films on the Información Matrimonial
(marital investigation) for the years when your ancestors where married. I
would definitely look at those also when you get a chance.
One thing that the records I saw did have in common is that they mentioned a
place: del Corredor and Rancho del Corredor or Comedor (hard to read).
One last thing, all of the records indicate the children are hijos legitimos
or hijas legitimas which increases the chances that there is a marriage
record somewhere.
Well good luck,
Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> I found him married to Cecilia Alonso and had two kids One in San Felipe
> Gto. (Jose Marciano Tinajero Alonso) and (Jose Vidal Tinajero Alonso) born
> in San Isidro de Ocampo.
>
> Andres Tinajero's kids were born some in San Felipe and some in San Isidro
> de Ocampo which both are really close to Ocampo Gto and that is where my
> 1900 family started in Ocampo so I'm following the line from San Felipe to
> San Isidro to Ocampo where Ocampo is current in my family.
>
>
> There is another male that might also be Andres brother but not sure...
>
> Sostenes Tinajero married to Sesaria Gomez and they had to kids in San
> Isidor de Ocampo.
> Jose Demetrio Tinajero Gomez and Eutiquio Tinajero Gomez.
>
> On Deciderio and Sostenes I'm just guessing that they are Andres brothers I
> could be wrong but like I said....I'm following the line and date seem to
> consider.
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:25 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Did he get married to Cecilia Alonso or Justa Resendes?
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana
> Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria,
> >
> > The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
> >
> > Saludos desde lago salado
> > Eduardo H Seoane
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> > order
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > > Trinity Industries
> > > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > > Phone 214-589-8036
> > > Fax 214-589-8739
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> > >
> > > Maria:
> > >
> > > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> > marriage
> > > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> > >
> > > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were
> not
> > > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> > between
> > > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> > there
> > > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> > political
> > > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> > place)
> > > not to be the correct one.
> > >
> > > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that
> batch
> > or
> > > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that
> the
> > > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry
> his
> > > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
One last thing...any records of Decidero's parents names?
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 12:33 AM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Deciderio also had a daughter named Esiquia who married Crecencio
Salas. They had a child in San Jose, Ojuelos, Jalisco born the 11 APR 1866
Christened 14 APR 1866 Film 639963 Batch C606071 Deciderio Tinajera and
Cecilia Alonzo show up as the Abuelos Maternos (Maternal Grand Parents).
Deciderio has another daughter named: Maria Prudenciana Christened on 1
June, 1848 in San Isidro De Ocaqmpo, Guanajuato and born on 19 May 1848,
film 646896 page 140 the Padrinos are: Andres Tinagera and Maximiana Huerta
(Notice the Padrinos). Often siblings are the Padrinos.
I also found a record in a database that had the Christening for a Ma.
Hesiquia Tinagero Murillo that was Christened on 22 November 1846, in San
Isidro De Ocampo, Guanajuato, Mexico, film 646895, Batch C606822. The father
was listed as Deciderio Tinagero and Cecilia Murillo this might be the
Esiquia mentioned in the first paragraph (maybe).
Oh and the marriage did not yield any additional information not even the
ages of the bride and groom. There are films on the Información Matrimonial
(marital investigation) for the years when your ancestors where married. I
would definitely look at those also when you get a chance.
One thing that the records I saw did have in common is that they mentioned a
place: del Corredor and Rancho del Corredor or Comedor (hard to read).
One last thing, all of the records indicate the children are hijos legitimos
or hijas legitimas which increases the chances that there is a marriage
record somewhere.
Well good luck,
Saludos desde Lago Salado,
Eduardo H Seoane
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> I found him married to Cecilia Alonso and had two kids One in San Felipe
> Gto. (Jose Marciano Tinajero Alonso) and (Jose Vidal Tinajero Alonso) born
> in San Isidro de Ocampo.
>
> Andres Tinajero's kids were born some in San Felipe and some in San Isidro
> de Ocampo which both are really close to Ocampo Gto and that is where my
> 1900 family started in Ocampo so I'm following the line from San Felipe to
> San Isidro to Ocampo where Ocampo is current in my family.
>
>
> There is another male that might also be Andres brother but not sure...
>
> Sostenes Tinajero married to Sesaria Gomez and they had to kids in San
> Isidor de Ocampo.
> Jose Demetrio Tinajero Gomez and Eutiquio Tinajero Gomez.
>
> On Deciderio and Sostenes I'm just guessing that they are Andres brothers I
> could be wrong but like I said....I'm following the line and date seem to
> consider.
>
>
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:25 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Did he get married to Cecilia Alonso or Justa Resendes?
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you.
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana
> Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria,
> >
> > The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
> >
> > Saludos desde lago salado
> > Eduardo H Seoane
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> > order
> > > it.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > > Trinity Industries
> > > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > > Phone 214-589-8036
> > > Fax 214-589-8739
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> > >
> > > Maria:
> > >
> > > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> > marriage
> > > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> > >
> > > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were
> not
> > > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> > between
> > > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> > there
> > > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> > political
> > > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> > place)
> > > not to be the correct one.
> > >
> > > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that
> batch
> > or
> > > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that
> the
> > > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry
> his
> > > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
> > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
No, as Arturo suggested you are going to need to find a record that lists
them. Look at the Información Matrimonial for each of the children as well
as the marriage records and christening records, each record might yield
additional clues. If all fails with Deciderio, look at his possible sibling
Andres find out all about his family and himself. Chances are that if he is
proven to be a sibling, Deciderio was probably born in the same town as him
and of course the same parents.
When looking at the marriages, christenings, marital information remember to
look for hints as to when people are deceased. You could start looking at
the death records prior to that time for the people that passed away.
good luck!
Saludos desde Lago Salado
Eduardo H Seoane
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
This marriage for Justa Resendes is in queretaro way off from Guanajuato so I don't think these are them...I go with the others Deciderio and Cecilia.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:25 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Did he get married to Cecilia Alonso or Justa Resendes?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> Thank you.
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria,
>
> The film is here at the library I'll take a look at it after work.
>
> Saludos desde lago salado
> Eduardo H Seoane
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> order
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> marriage
> > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> >
> > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> between
> > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> there
> > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> political
> > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> place)
> > not to be the correct one.
> >
> > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch
> or
> > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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> > units. It has been sent solely for the use of the intended
> > recipients and may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted, and
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> > this email, including any copies that may reside in your deleted
> > box. The unauthorized review, use, disclosure, distribution, or
> > copying of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited.
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Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Eduardo:
This is the record in question:
ANDRES TINAJERO
Marriages:
Spouse: MAXIMIANA LOPEZ Family
Marriage: 24 FEB 1840 San Felipe, Guanajuato, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: M608934 Film No. 0644414
Maria, did you know there are two marriages of Tinajeros named (of all coincidences) Andres and Jose Deciderio in Ciudad del Maiz, San Luis Potosi in 1816?
ANDRES MARTIN TINAJERO - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Marriage: 02 DEC 1816 Purisima Concepcion, Ciudad Del Maiz, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
JOSE DECIDERIO TINAJERO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 MAR 1816 Purisima Concepcion, Ciudad Del Maiz, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Andres Tinajero and
Could one of these be Andres father because Andres first child was born in 1841 right ....he could have married when he was say 20 so that would put him born around 1820 or so....this Andres Martin Tinajero was married in 1816 and Jose Deciderion Tianjero married in 1816 also so that puts these two guys born around say 1796.
Let me check on these two guys.
ANDRES MARTIN TINAJERO - International Genealogical Index / ME
Gender: Male Marriage: 02 DEC 1816 Purisima Concepcion, Ciudad Del Maiz, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
JOSE DECIDERIO TINAJERO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 13 MAR 1816 Purisima Concepcion, Ciudad Del Maiz, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 4:24 PM
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and
Eduardo:
This is the record in question:
ANDRES TINAJERO
Marriages:
Spouse: MAXIMIANA LOPEZ Family
Marriage: 24 FEB 1840 San Felipe, Guanajuato, Mexico
Source Information:
Batch No.: M608934 Film No. 0644414
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria,
Do you know who he Deciderio married?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
He married Cecilia Alonso.
I think he is Andres brother but not sure.
Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
Trinity Industries
Maria.Cortes@trin.net
Phone 214-589-8036
Fax 214-589-8739
-----Original Message-----
From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:18 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
Maria,
Do you know who he Deciderio married?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I order
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria:
>
> My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her marriage
> and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> especially in that time (early 1800s).
>
> Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch between
> maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so there
> was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for political
> reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and place)
> not to be the correct one.
>
> You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch or
> the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
That was my first guess
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Maria Cortes wrote:
> He married Cecilia Alonso.
>
> I think he is Andres brother but not sure.
>
> Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> Trinity Industries
> Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> Phone 214-589-8036
> Fax 214-589-8739
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of Eduardo Seoane
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 3:18 PM
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana
> Lopez/Huerta
>
> Maria,
>
> Do you know who he Deciderio married?
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Maria Cortes
> wrote:
>
> > One last question. I looked at the marriage record on LDS and the film
> > number is 644414 but that number is not listed on the San Felipe Church
> > records. Can you verify I did choose the correct film number before I
> order
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Maria Cortes (HRIS Administrator)
> > Trinity Industries
> > Maria.Cortes@trin.net
> > Phone 214-589-8036
> > Fax 214-589-8739
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org [mailto:
> > research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org] On Behalf Of
> > arturo.ramos2@gmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 1:30 PM
> > To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Andres Tinajero and Maximiana Lopez/Huerta
> >
> > Maria:
> >
> > My hunch is that you found the correct marriage document for Andres
> > Tinajero. The fact that his wife's last name changed between her
> marriage
> > and her children's baptisms could have many different explanations,
> > especially in that time (early 1800s).
> >
> > Because surnames prior to the Bourbon reforms of the early 1800s were not
> > systematic in the Spanish speaking world, many people would switch
> between
> > maternal and paternal names (or sometimes even a granparent's name,
> > especially women). Also, it was just after the War of Independence so
> there
> > was lots of displacement, new priests, people changing names for
> political
> > reasons (for example lots of Spanish families that used composed names
> > simplified them so as de-Spanishify them). Those names, Tinajero and
> > Maximiana are to rare for the record (which coincides with time and
> place)
> > not to be the correct one.
> >
> > You should definitely order the film for that marriage and read the
> > marriage document. The fact that no other Tinajeros appear in that batch
> or
> > the batch before it getting married in San Felipe makes me think that the
> > Tinajeros are not from that town... he must have gone there to marry his
> > wife Maximiana. His marriage record would say where he was from.
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