That's all fascinating, cousin John. I hope to get back to researching our ancestry after I settle into my new home this weekend.
I leave Los Angeles this Friday en route to my new home which I have named Las Brisas.
A magnificent 5-unit complex on 47th Avenue between Sutro Heights and Balboa in the Outer Richmond.
Its a block east of Sutro Heights Park, 2 blocks north of Golden Gate Park, an easy walk to Ocean, Baker and Seal Rocks Beaches. An exquisite site! My not so little chunk of paradise.
I have my three properties in Los Angeles for sale. Please email me in private if anyone is interested in my three bedroom, one bath home in Monterey Park, my 2 bedroom, 1 bath Victorian on Eastlake in Lincoln Heights, and my large three lots with duplex and outbuildings in City Terrace near Cal State LA.
I'll have to find a new Family History Center in San Francisco to do my research in.
I'll check out the Sutro Library as well.
I;ve been in Los Angeles for the last 12 years caring for my ailing mother who passed away on August 9. My sister and I dressed her the way Petronilla Moctezuma would have dressed for her final journey.
We released three dozen Monarch butterfiles at Resurrection Cemetery, the kind of butterfly Petronilla would have been well acquainted with.
---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> Emilie:
Here's some information that I am hoping will help you.
LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
Here's some information about the Hacienda:
"La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique"
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
.com
fraternal hug
What a nice way to say "so long" to those who loved us and we loved back, and mostly to honor their lives and culture with such a frame!
I have to quote Daniel Webster: "The man who feels no sentiment of veneration for the memory of his forefathers; who has no natural regard for his ancestors, or his kindred, is himself unworthy
of kindred regard, or remembrance"
No more to say, my fraternal hug goes for you and your family, and thank you very much for sharing.
erniealderete@charter.net escribió:
That's all fascinating, cousin John. I hope to get back to researching our ancestry after I settle into my new home this weekend.
I leave Los Angeles this Friday en route to my new home which I have named Las Brisas.
A magnificent 5-unit complex on 47th Avenue between Sutro Heights and Balboa in the Outer Richmond.
Its a block east of Sutro Heights Park, 2 blocks north of Golden Gate Park, an easy walk to Ocean, Baker and Seal Rocks Beaches. An exquisite site! My not so little chunk of paradise.
I have my three properties in Los Angeles for sale. Please email me in private if anyone is interested in my three bedroom, one bath home in Monterey Park, my 2 bedroom, 1 bath Victorian on Eastlake in Lincoln Heights, and my large three lots with duplex and outbuildings in City Terrace near Cal State LA.
I'll have to find a new Family History Center in San Francisco to do my research in.
I'll check out the Sutro Library as well.
I;ve been in Los Angeles for the last 12 years caring for my ailing mother who passed away on August 9. My sister and I dressed her the way Petronilla Moctezuma would have dressed for her final journey.
We released three dozen Monarch butterfiles at Resurrection Cemetery, the kind of butterfly Petronilla would have been well acquainted with.
---- John Gonzalez <1gnzlz@verizon.net> wrote:
> Emilie:
Here's some information that I am hoping will help you.
LDS Batch F868769, Film #1396289
Lope de Esparza 2nd Marriage: Batch 7412803 Film #0934233
Lope Ruiz de Esparza married Francisca Gabay and Lorenza, Married to Capitan
Luis Tiscareño Molina y Marquez, was their daughter.
Capitan Luis Tiscareño de Molina: Batch F868327 Film #1396258
Here's some information about the Hacienda:
"La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique"
Aguascalientes, Ags, Mexico.
La Hacienda Nueva de Morcinique debe su nombre a su cercanía con el rio del
mismo nombre. Se ubica sobre el camino real a Calvillo, camino que tambien
comunicaba con las haciendas de Gracias a Dios, San Jose de Gudalupe y el
Sauz. Fue una de las haciendas mas chicas en el estado. En 1972 tenía una
superficie de 2,600 hectáreas; habia sido propiedad del presbítero Ignacio
Rincón Gallardo, quien en 1820 la cedió como parte de un patronato benéfico
que sería administrado por el Ayntamiento de Aguascalientes. Estaba dotada
de una buenapresa, canales y acequias, además de una gran casa principal.
Apartir de 1855, el Ayuntamiento decidió venderla en fracciones. Su presa
fue traspasada en 1863 a los señores Cornú y Stiker, para formar parte de su
hacienda industrial de San Ignacio.
.com
EMILIE
Hi Welester,
I couldn't help but respond to your relatives from Villa de Santiago. I was
there a few years back, when the keys were given to a Chicago alderman.
Very nice town. Anyway, we were given the VIP treatment, and that meant talking
to many of the town's leaders. One of them told me an interesting story
about his family lineage.
Apparently, his granfather came to Mexico from France as a young boy to
fight in the war. When France lost, many of the men went back home, except his
grandfather. He stayed with another family, who gave their name to him.
I am wondering...could this be a possibility for your missing family?
Esperanza
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ESPERANZA
Hi Esperanza ,
Were you here when they had the African exhibit ! Do you remember the family name in Villa de Santiago that told you about the french person ?
My GG Grandfather was married twice to two spanish women , as a matter of fact when he married for the first time that I could tell it doesn show who his parents were and that meant that he was a widow .
First wife: Maria Concepcion Garcia married in the year 1833
Second wife : ( my gg grandmother ) Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez
They say that in those days it was very difficult for a spanish women to marry outside of thier status meaning no indians , mulatos , slaves . So , I'm only guessing that he was either spanish or spanish looking . ( metizo or other european )
Heeeeellllllppppppp !!
;-)
Welester
: > > Hi Welester,> I couldn't help but respond to your relatives from Villa de Santiago. I was > there a few years back, when the keys were given to a Chicago alderman. > Very nice town. Anyway, we were given the VIP treatment, and that meant talking > to many of the town's leaders. One of them told me an interesting story > about his family lineage.> > Apparently, his granfather came to Mexico from France as a young boy to > fight in the war. When France lost, many of the men went back home, except his > grandfather. He stayed with another family, who gave their name to him. > > I am wondering...could this be a possibility for your missing family? > > Esperanza> Chicagoland area> > >
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EMILIE
Welester, you may have this information already but here's what I found:
Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado Luna married Maria Concepcion Garcia, 8 November 1833 in Santiago Apostol, Santiago Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I found the following children: Jose Bartolome Alvarado Garcia y Emeteria Alvarado Garcia.
Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado Luna married 2nd time with Quirina Saldivar Gomez, 26 October 1844 at Hacienda San Francisco, Santiago, Nuevo Leon, Mexico.
Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado Luna's christening was 10 February 1792 and was born in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. His father is Juan Pedro De Alvarado De La Cruz and his mother Maria Pascuala De Luna, they were married 23 February 1791, Sagrario Metropolitano, Saltillo, Coahuila. He has at least two sisters: Maria Juana Alvarado Luna, (1794) and Maria Josefa Teodocia Albarado Luna (1797). Check Batch #C601355 for christening and M601358 for marriage.
Jose Antonio Candelario Alvarado Luna y Quirina Saldivar Gomez had the following children: Jose Maria Alvarado Saldivar (1846); Gorge (1847); Mariana (1849); Maria Andrea (1851); Jose Damian (1854); Jose Cosme (1854); Marcela (1856); Jose Geronimo (1861); and Juan. All have the same last names Alvarado Saldivar. I also found who submitted this information: Gregorio Nestor Martinez Caballero at email zafnat_panea@prodigy.net.mx
Please disregard if this does not help you. --Esther Jordan
Hi Emilie ,
My problem is that I can trace back the Saldivars , Trevinos and a few others
but I cannot trace the Alvarados back to Zacatecas and that's the name I'm more
concerned about .
Here is my dilema , Candelario ( my gg grandfather ) Alvarado is married twice
in Villa de Santiago once in 1833 and a second time in 1844 to my gg
grandmother Quirina Saldivar Gomez . Both marriages show no parents which means
he was a viudo and so was she . I cannot for the life of me find his parents .
Now , they tell me that just about all the people from Santiago came from
Saltillo and from Saltillo they came from Zacatecas , Jalisco or Aguascaliente
through the RUTA DE PLATA . Anyway , I am going crazy trying to find any leads
.
Unfortunately the records in Santiago are missing from 1833 to 1844 . Just my
luck .
So there you have it , if you have any leads of any of your Alvarados' coming
up north please fill me in .
Welester
> Welester,> > You mentioned that your Alvarados were originally from
Zacatecas? > > One of my father's cousins married a Magdaleno Alvarado from
Moyahua, Zacatecas. He was born on July 22, 1857. Magdaleno's parents were
Hurminio Alvarado and Ygnacia Sandoval. Magdaleno died in San Jose, CA on
December 7, 1954. > > Where in Zacatecas did your Alvarados originate?> >
Emilie.
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For Emilie
Emilie,
For your information, everyone can visit the *outside *of the of the
Temples and or when a new Temple has an open house for the first time,
people are invited to come in and once they are through with the grant
opening the Temples will only be visited by worthy members. There are other
outside buildings where people may visit such as the Visitors Center.
The following statement is *not completely factual. Members take care of
these ordinances for their dead and/or friends if they ask. *There are
some people who have done ordinance work for others *without permission *but
ordinance work is not done for everyone arbitrarily, and Google is not an
authority on LDS Temples.
*One thing they did not tell me is that everyone in their
microfilms has been baptized and "sealed" via their Baptism for the Dead,
the reason they went
worldwide microfilming the documents they did, so in a way it is
conversion after the death. Google that for more information.
*
Esther Jordan Lopez*
*LDS Temple Worker*
*