This is partly a research topic, but probably also a general topic, so I put
this in research, because I have family information I do not want available
to the general public or to have show up on the internet. Sorry, if this is
not the way to do things.
As I mentioned before, I found the civil death records for my
greatgrandparents in Guadalajara, 1936 and 1941, with both of their race
designations being "mestizo(a)," followed by "mexicano(a)," which is part of
the form, so they would just fill in the blank next to "mexicano" to
designate what type of mexican they were.
Anyways, I looked up mestizo in the regular dictionary and it says this is a
person of Spanish and Indian (like Native American Indian, not India Indian)
descent, also that it means "half-caste." In the Spanish-English dictionary
that I use, mestizo means half-caste, of mixed race. Arturo was telling me
about the caste system in Mexico. I talked to my mother about it and she
says that the elite status was given to the pure Spanish citizens early in
Mexico's history, but later the indigenous held higher status after the
Mexican Revolution and then the Spanish were looked down upon. My
grandmother had told about learning in school, during revolutionary times,
things about the Spanish in such a negative way she would feel really bad
about being Spanish, like it was something to be ashamed of. Anyways,
according to my mother, the mestizos were basically of mixed race, Spanish
and French or Indian or whatever else. My greatgrandmother was Spanish and
Portuguese. The Martin del Campos "de la Yegua Rusa," which my ancestors
were, may have been of Spanish and French descent. However, I am hoping
that if there was any indigenous ancestry, it will say so on records. I
just want to know all about my ancestry.
So, as I was saying, she says how the caste system worked was the rich,
aristocratic Spanish were at the top, the "mestizos" that held merchant type
positions were the middle class, then the Indians were at the bottom. I
know this is a big generalization, too simplified. But, on these particular
civil records, it states that my greatgrandfather was a tailor. I know that
his sister had a shoe store on the plaza right by the Cathedral at the turn
of the century 1800's to 1900's and she had servants, as well. Their father
was a shoemaker, his brother a tailor, so it sounds like they were part of
the middle class. The family also had a farm outside of town, near Zapopan
and were, at times, poor. So, then, I am led to believe that "half-caste"
means "middle class," but I would like to hear more about this. I will be
digging further into this family line and would like to know not just their
race, but how that figured in to their lives.
In researching the history of the city of Guadalajara, I learned that the
downtown had been planned, but then neighborhoods kind of spread and grew
around it, called the "barrios." In these barrios, they were mini villages
in and of themselves, the rich with their comings and goings, their servants
and families, their merchants, tailors, shoemakers, etc. living near them to
cater to their needs. And the Indians were sort of pushed to the outskirts
by Tlaquepaque, I believe. These barrios then became formal districts for
record-keeping purposes and were then called "colonias." The first of these
was in the old downtown. Anyways, that's how I understand it to be.
I would appreciate being enlighted about the above topics if I am mistaken
in regards to the race designation on records, what purpose that served, the
caste system and what mestizo and half-caste really means, and the evolution
of Guadalajara's barrios into colonias. It is a complex city and I think my
family history research will be centered around there for some time, before
I get into records of family that lived in the ranchos.
Race Designations in Civil Records
Corrine,
You could log in to the Nuestros Ranchos website and in the search field type in "castas", and it will give you a list of what is in the archives about the various caste designations in Mexico. If you read Spanish, one excellent article you will find is "6301 por que dejaron de importar los ancestros". It gives insight into the political and economic reasons for the caste system and the problems with it as far as record-keeping went. There is also an article there that describes the dozens of castes they gave names to for the different mixtures: black with white, white with indigenous, and any combination thereof.
One reason the US didn't take over Mexico completely was the fact that the citizenry had become very "mestizo" and spoke Spanish. Nowadays we see in many Americans the fear of this country being inundated with mestizos who speak Spanish. They want to keep the "character" of the country as it has always been, i.e. European and English-speaking.
I find all castes in my Mexican ancestry listed prior to 1821 when the Spanish government was forced out. I also find the same people listed in different records with different castes listed. One day they were "mulato" the next time they were "mestizo", then "espanol". That system seemed to serve no purpose after a while and was done away with. Remember that people are always ready to criticize and give a hard time to others for whatever reason. My husband's very white aunts in Mexico were discriminated against by cab drivers who didn't like "espanolas" even though his Mexican ancestry goes back to the 1500s in Mexico. Other dark people are discriminated against if they have money, and so on. I think now it comes down to economics and politics and power and class as much as race.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA --
----- Original Message -----
From: Corrine Ardoin
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
This is partly a research topic, but probably also a general topic, so I put
this in research, because I have family information I do not want available
to the general public or to have show up on the internet. Sorry, if this is
not the way to do things.
As I mentioned before, I found the civil death records for my
greatgrandparents in Guadalajara, 1936 and 1941, with both of their race
designations being "mestizo(a)," followed by "mexicano(a)," which is part of
the form, so they would just fill in the blank next to "mexicano" to
designate what type of mexican they were.
Anyways, I looked up mestizo in the regular dictionary and it says this is a
person of Spanish and Indian (like Native American Indian, not India Indian)
descent, also that it means "half-caste." In the Spanish-English dictionary
that I use, mestizo means half-caste, of mixed race. Arturo was telling me
about the caste system in Mexico. I talked to my mother about it and she
says that the elite status was given to the pure Spanish citizens early in
Mexico's history, but later the indigenous held higher status after the
Mexican Revolution and then the Spanish were looked down upon. My
grandmother had told about learning in school, during revolutionary times,
things about the Spanish in such a negative way she would feel really bad
about being Spanish, like it was something to be ashamed of. Anyways,
according to my mother, the mestizos were basically of mixed race, Spanish
and French or Indian or whatever else. My greatgrandmother was Spanish and
Portuguese. The Martin del Campos "de la Yegua Rusa," which my ancestors
were, may have been of Spanish and French descent. However, I am hoping
that if there was any indigenous ancestry, it will say so on records. I
just want to know all about my ancestry.
So, as I was saying, she says how the caste system worked was the rich,
aristocratic Spanish were at the top, the "mestizos" that held merchant type
positions were the middle class, then the Indians were at the bottom. I
know this is a big generalization, too simplified. But, on these particular
civil records, it states that my greatgrandfather was a tailor. I know that
his sister had a shoe store on the plaza right by the Cathedral at the turn
of the century 1800's to 1900's and she had servants, as well. Their father
was a shoemaker, his brother a tailor, so it sounds like they were part of
the middle class. The family also had a farm outside of town, near Zapopan
and were, at times, poor. So, then, I am led to believe that "half-caste"
means "middle class," but I would like to hear more about this. I will be
digging further into this family line and would like to know not just their
race, but how that figured in to their lives.
In researching the history of the city of Guadalajara, I learned that the
downtown had been planned, but then neighborhoods kind of spread and grew
around it, called the "barrios." In these barrios, they were mini villages
in and of themselves, the rich with their comings and goings, their servants
and families, their merchants, tailors, shoemakers, etc. living near them to
cater to their needs. And the Indians were sort of pushed to the outskirts
by Tlaquepaque, I believe. These barrios then became formal districts for
record-keeping purposes and were then called "colonias." The first of these
was in the old downtown. Anyways, that's how I understand it to be.
I would appreciate being enlighted about the above topics if I am mistaken
in regards to the race designation on records, what purpose that served, the
caste system and what mestizo and half-caste really means, and the evolution
of Guadalajara's barrios into colonias. It is a complex city and I think my
family history research will be centered around there for some time, before
I get into records of family that lived in the ranchos.
Race Designations in Civil Records
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:44:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:
I think now it comes down to economics and politics and power and class as
much as race.
I had this very same conversation with my H yesterday. When I was in Mexico,
I was floored when I heard a presentation about the Mexican immigrant
(presented by a Mexican who received her masters in US). She claimed that our
population in the US had an increased incident of special ed needs because the
immigrant was unable to be academically successful in Mexico, and sought meager
jobs to sustain their families...this, she extrapolated, was the reason why
she believed that there were many unidentified individuals in the public
education system who were special ed, and hence the high drop out rate. Of
course, this presentation was done to sell her services to us.
Those of us who were in attendance were insulted...because we were the
children of immigrants....and educators who know that education of our children is
much more complicated than this rather myopic viewpoint.
It then occurred to me that this perspective was derived from is a class
issue...a rather biased class issue from a Mexican middle class professional
(white) who was entrenched in the upper class society. I found it ironic that
her "nanny" that she employed for her one child was an Indian woman. It is
strangely historically familiar.....
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
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Race Designations in Civil Records
It is and always was a matter of economics, politics and power in not only Mexico but also Central America and South America. Spanish priests started it in earliest history-their Baptismal records are rift with religious and social predjudice. It was done on purpose to ensure a separation of the races.I find it sad that it is allowed today.
Paula
----- Original Message -----
From: Latina1955@aol.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:44:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
I think now it comes down to economics and politics and power and class as
much as race.
I had this very same conversation with my H yesterday. When I was in Mexico,
I was floored when I heard a presentation about the Mexican immigrant
(presented by a Mexican who received her masters in US). She claimed that our
population in the US had an increased incident of special ed needs because the
immigrant was unable to be academically successful in Mexico, and sought meager
jobs to sustain their families...this, she extrapolated, was the reason why
she believed that there were many unidentified individuals in the public
education system who were special ed, and hence the high drop out rate. Of
course, this presentation was done to sell her services to us.
Those of us who were in attendance were insulted...because we were the
children of immigrants....and educators who know that education of our children is
much more complicated than this rather myopic viewpoint.
It then occurred to me that this perspective was derived from is a class
issue...a rather biased class issue from a Mexican middle class professional
(white) who was entrenched in the upper class society. I found it ironic that
her "nanny" that she employed for her one child was an Indian woman. It is
strangely historically familiar.....
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com .
Race Designations in Civil Records
Yes, the class and race issue---My husband's aunts (white professionals) in Mexico City looked down their noses at "inditos" (but who employed them as cooks and maids) and "rancheros" and made the statement that they couldn't understand why everyone in Mexico didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get a higher education there, and instead left their native country. They just could not see that some people (meztizos-morenos-rurals) have lived for so many generations so downtrodden that despite all their labors all they could get was beans and tortillas on the table in their miserable huts. And come a drought, etc. they couldn't even get the beans and tortillas. They had to migrate.
The downtrodden couldn't imagine any kind of an education, and if the opportunity ever came, they had become so resigned to their fate (nosotros los pobres) that they would shy away from schools, etc., considering their situation their just due for whatever reason, or that there was no time for such things. Their reason for being was to have children to help them and care for them later (no criados for them), and many of the men fell into a chauvinistic attitude that if more money came their way, they would spend it on the fights and beer as their just due, and not on education for their children. It takes time and exposure to opportunity and education to reach the status that many of us American descendants of immigrants have attained. Many of us are better off than some whites even.
I see this same failure in motivation in this country amongst rural whites (rednecks) and urban blacks as I do in new immigrants of the lower classes from Mexico. We all need to help them pull themselves up, if they will be helped, the way we were helped. That lady that you heard speak in Mexico, Esperanza, seemed to be saying that the immigrant was in his situation due to a mental inability to learn and that even special ed classes couldn't help them. My inspiration to exceed came from my teachers who told me I could do anything, and not from my male cousin who wanted to know why I had started college --"they don't want us there", he said. My father didn't think women needed to have higher learning either. So there seems to be attitude both ways, one of instant gratification or a chauvinist attitude on the one hand, and class and racial prejudice on the other.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Latina1955@aol.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:44:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, writes:
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com
I think now it comes down to economics and politics and power and class as
much as race.
I had this very same conversation with my H yesterday. When I was in Mexico,
I was floored when I heard a presentation about the Mexican immigrant
(presented by a Mexican who received her masters in US). She claimed that our
population in the US had an increased incident of special ed needs because the
immigrant was unable to be academically successful in Mexico, and sought meager
jobs to sustain their families...this, she extrapolated, was the reason why
she believed that there were many unidentified individuals in the public
education system who were special ed, and hence the high drop out rate. Of
course, this presentation was done to sell her services to us.
Those of us who were in attendance were insulted...because we were the
children of immigrants....and educators who know that education of our children is
much more complicated than this rather myopic viewpoint.
It then occurred to me that this perspective was derived from is a class
issue...a rather biased class issue from a Mexican middle class professional
(white) who was entrenched in the upper class society. I found it ironic that
her "nanny" that she employed for her one child was an Indian woman. It is
strangely historically familiar.....
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com .
Race Designations in Civil Records
I believe there are several studies with empirical data which demonstrates that Mexicano newcomers, migrants, undocumented and documented residents in California fair better then children of Mexicanos who were born here . . . Chicanos if you will . .Chicanos are marginalized in the education achievement and populate the social service rolls.the aforementioned Mexicanos are also more healthy and have the lowest unearned income of all groups. .Unearned income is a euphemism for "Welfare" .
Emilie Garcia wrote:
Yes, the class and race issue---My husband's aunts (white professionals) in Mexico City looked down their noses at "inditos" (but who employed them as cooks and maids) and "rancheros" and made the statement that they couldn't understand why everyone in Mexico didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get a higher education there, and instead left their native country. They just could not see that some people (meztizos-morenos-rurals) have lived for so many generations so downtrodden that despite all their labors all they could get was beans and tortillas on the table in their miserable huts. And come a drought, etc. they couldn't even get the beans and tortillas. They had to migrate.
The downtrodden couldn't imagine any kind of an education, and if the opportunity ever came, they had become so resigned to their fate (nosotros los pobres) that they would shy away from schools, etc., considering their situation their just due for whatever reason, or that there was no time for such things. Their reason for being was to have children to help them and care for them later (no criados for them), and many of the men fell into a chauvinistic attitude that if more money came their way, they would spend it on the fights and beer as their just due, and not on education for their children. It takes time and exposure to opportunity and education to reach the status that many of us American descendants of immigrants have attained. Many of us are better off than some whites even.
I see this same failure in motivation in this country amongst rural whites (rednecks) and urban blacks as I do in new immigrants of the lower classes from Mexico. We all need to help them pull themselves up, if they will be helped, the way we were helped. That lady that you heard speak in Mexico, Esperanza, seemed to be saying that the immigrant was in his situation due to a mental inability to learn and that even special ed classes couldn't help them. My inspiration to exceed came from my teachers who told me I could do anything, and not from my male cousin who wanted to know why I had started college --"they don't want us there", he said. My father didn't think women needed to have higher learning either. So there seems to be attitude both ways, one of instant gratification or a chauvinist attitude on the one hand, and class and racial prejudice on the other.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: Latina1955@aol.com
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
In a message dated 5/4/2007 9:44:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
auntyemfaustus@hotmail.com writes:
I think now it comes down to economics and politics and power and class as
much as race.
I had this very same conversation with my H yesterday. When I was in Mexico,
I was floored when I heard a presentation about the Mexican immigrant
(presented by a Mexican who received her masters in US). She claimed that our
population in the US had an increased incident of special ed needs because the
immigrant was unable to be academically successful in Mexico, and sought meager
jobs to sustain their families...this, she extrapolated, was the reason why
she believed that there were many unidentified individuals in the public
education system who were special ed, and hence the high drop out rate. Of
course, this presentation was done to sell her services to us.
Those of us who were in attendance were insulted...because we were the
children of immigrants....and educators who know that education of our children is
much more complicated than this rather myopic viewpoint.
It then occurred to me that this perspective was derived from is a class
issue...a rather biased class issue from a Mexican middle class professional
(white) who was entrenched in the upper class society. I found it ironic that
her "nanny" that she employed for her one child was an Indian woman. It is
strangely historically familiar.....
Esperanza
Chicagoland area
************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Race Designations in Civil Records
Well, Robert,
It plays both ways. People have a choice. Many newcomers are enthusiastic about this land of opportunity and fare better than others who have been here longer but have gotten entrenched in bad habits of living for the day and not saving (instant gratification) and they end up on welfare when they get laid off or the women and children are left to fend for themselves. Also many newcomers are afraid of the migra and won't sign up for welfare or obtain care when they are sick and end up in emergency rooms under other programs, thus skewing the "data". They refuse to assimilate and they isolate themselves.
I worked in a large urban hospital which obtained government grants to help the indigent, and the school nurses would send new immigrant kids with all kinds of sometimes contagious conditions to be treated---TB, hepatitis, lice, tape worms, abscessed teeth, heart conditions, etc., things that those here longer had had taken care of, so I don't know how "healthy" these newcomers always are. Think of all those newcomers that avoid schools and doctors and are running around out there not learning English and exposing the rest of us to contagious disease.
Newcomers will continue to fare well if they stay out of the barrios that are riddled with outlaw gangs and drugs and learn English to assimilate faster. Also, I don't consider myself "chicana"; I dislike the word. I consider myself an American of Mexican ancestry. I don't think we should arbitrarily categorize people with labels even if it comes from the people themselves. They did away with those labels officially in Mexico, so we shouldn't continue that practice here.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hernandez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
I believe there are several studies with empirical data which demonstrates that Mexicano newcomers, migrants, undocumented and documented residents in California fair better then children of Mexicanos who were born here . . . Chicanos if you will . .Chicanos are marginalized in the education achievement and populate the social service rolls.the aforementioned Mexicanos are also more healthy and have the lowest unearned income of all groups. .Unearned income is a euphemism for "Welfare" .
Emilie Garcia> wrote:
Yes, the class and race issue---My husband's aunts (white professionals) in Mexico City looked down their noses at "inditos" (but who employed them as cooks and maids) and "rancheros" and made the statement that they couldn't understand why everyone in Mexico didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get a higher education there, and instead left their native country. They just could not see that some people (meztizos-morenos-rurals) have lived for so many generations so downtrodden that despite all their labors all they could get was beans and tortillas on the table in their miserable huts. And come a drought, etc. they couldn't even get the beans and tortillas. They had to migrate.
The downtrodden couldn't imagine any kind of an education, and if the opportunity ever came, they had become so resigned to their fate (nosotros los pobres) that they would shy away from schools, etc., considering their situation their just due for whatever reason, or that there was no time for such things. Their reason for being was to have children to help them and care for them later (no criados for them), and many of the men fell into a chauvinistic attitude that if more money came their way, they would spend it on the fights and beer as their just due, and not on education for their children. It takes time and exposure to opportunity and education to reach the status that many of us American descendants of immigrants have attained. Many of us are better off than some whites even.
I see this same failure in motivation in this country amongst rural whites (rednecks) and urban blacks as I do in new immigrants of the lower classes from Mexico. We all need to help them pull themselves up, if they will be helped, the way we were helped. That lady that you heard speak in Mexico, Esperanza, seemed to be saying that the immigrant was in his situation due to a mental inability to learn and that even special ed classes couldn't help them. My inspiration to exceed came from my teachers who told me I could do anything, and not from my male cousin who wanted to know why I had started college --"they don't want us there", he said. My father didn't think women needed to have higher learning either. So there seems to be attitude both ways, one of instant gratification or a chauvinist attitude on the one hand, and class and racial prejudice on the other.
Emilie
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Race Designations in Civil Records
Thank you for your reply and personal perspective. You may wish to read some books from the University of California press and reports to the Rand Corporation authored by David Hayes-Bautista, PhD. Director of UCLAs Center for the Study of Latino Health. and Culture and Professor at UCLAs David Geffen School of Medicine.
I am not sure what you mean about Mexico getting rid of labels but the last time I visited Zacatecas the Mexicanos had many labels for people both officious and sometimes unsavory.
Emilie Garcia wrote:
Well, Robert,
It plays both ways. People have a choice. Many newcomers are enthusiastic about this land of opportunity and fare better than others who have been here longer but have gotten entrenched in bad habits of living for the day and not saving (instant gratification) and they end up on welfare when they get laid off or the women and children are left to fend for themselves. Also many newcomers are afraid of the migra and won't sign up for welfare or obtain care when they are sick and end up in emergency rooms under other programs, thus skewing the "data". They refuse to assimilate and they isolate themselves.
I worked in a large urban hospital which obtained government grants to help the indigent, and the school nurses would send new immigrant kids with all kinds of sometimes contagious conditions to be treated---TB, hepatitis, lice, tape worms, abscessed teeth, heart conditions, etc., things that those here longer had had taken care of, so I don't know how "healthy" these newcomers always are. Think of all those newcomers that avoid schools and doctors and are running around out there not learning English and exposing the rest of us to contagious disease.
Newcomers will continue to fare well if they stay out of the barrios that are riddled with outlaw gangs and drugs and learn English to assimilate faster. Also, I don't consider myself "chicana"; I dislike the word. I consider myself an American of Mexican ancestry. I don't think we should arbitrarily categorize people with labels even if it comes from the people themselves. They did away with those labels officially in Mexico, so we shouldn't continue that practice here.
Emilie
----- Original Message -----
From: robert hernandez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
I believe there are several studies with empirical data which demonstrates that Mexicano newcomers, migrants, undocumented and documented residents in California fair better then children of Mexicanos who were born here . . . Chicanos if you will . .Chicanos are marginalized in the education achievement and populate the social service rolls.the aforementioned Mexicanos are also more healthy and have the lowest unearned income of all groups. .Unearned income is a euphemism for "Welfare" .
Emilie Garcia > wrote:
Yes, the class and race issue---My husband's aunts (white professionals) in Mexico City looked down their noses at "inditos" (but who employed them as cooks and maids) and "rancheros" and made the statement that they couldn't understand why everyone in Mexico didn't take advantage of the opportunity to get a higher education there, and instead left their native country. They just could not see that some people (meztizos-morenos-rurals) have lived for so many generations so downtrodden that despite all their labors all they could get was beans and tortillas on the table in their miserable huts. And come a drought, etc. they couldn't even get the beans and tortillas. They had to migrate.
The downtrodden couldn't imagine any kind of an education, and if the opportunity ever came, they had become so resigned to their fate (nosotros los pobres) that they would shy away from schools, etc., considering their situation their just due for whatever reason, or that there was no time for such things. Their reason for being was to have children to help them and care for them later (no criados for them), and many of the men fell into a chauvinistic attitude that if more money came their way, they would spend it on the fights and beer as their just due, and not on education for their children. It takes time and exposure to opportunity and education to reach the status that many of us American descendants of immigrants have attained. Many of us are better off than some whites even.
I see this same failure in motivation in this country amongst rural whites (rednecks) and urban blacks as I do in new immigrants of the lower classes from Mexico. We all need to help them pull themselves up, if they will be helped, the way we were helped. That lady that you heard speak in Mexico, Esperanza, seemed to be saying that the immigrant was in his situation due to a mental inability to learn and that even special ed classes couldn't help them. My inspiration to exceed came from my teachers who told me I could do anything, and not from my male cousin who wanted to know why I had started college --"they don't want us there", he said. My father didn't think women needed to have higher learning either. So there seems to be attitude both ways, one of instant gratification or a chauvinist attitude on the one hand, and class and racial prejudice on the other.
Emilie
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Civil Records
On the internet, there is the Family Search site for the LDS Mormon church.
Their catalog is on there and you type in the town your ancestors were born
in, or where you think they were born, and the list of records on microfilm
can be found that way. You then have to actually go to your nearest Family
History Center located at the church itself and order the microfilms.
Corrine Ardoin
Santa Maria, California
Race Designations in Civil Records
Half Caste--mixed heritage ( half breed )
Mestizo--Spanish/Indian
Coyote/Lobo--Half breed ( half Caste ) of Indian slave women
Castizo- child of Spanish woman and Mestizo father
Mulatto-originally any racial mixture with a Spaniard- Spanish/Moor
Calidad/Noblizo--character of priveledge
Converso-converts to Catholicism--willing or not
Naturalales--Natives
Vecinos-landowner with full voting rights in the city
Hidalguia/Hidalgo-- ( Son of the King ) reward/title for doing something that helped the King of Spain further the growth of New Spain
Hopes this helps, Paula
----- Original Message -----
From: Corrine Ardoin
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 6:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Race Designations in Civil Records
This is partly a research topic, but probably also a general topic, so I put
this in research, because I have family information I do not want available
to the general public or to have show up on the internet. Sorry, if this is
not the way to do things.
As I mentioned before, I found the civil death records for my
greatgrandparents in Guadalajara, 1936 and 1941, with both of their race
designations being "mestizo(a)," followed by "mexicano(a)," which is part of
the form, so they would just fill in the blank next to "mexicano" to
designate what type of mexican they were.
Anyways, I looked up mestizo in the regular dictionary and it says this is a
person of Spanish and Indian (like Native American Indian, not India Indian)
descent, also that it means "half-caste." In the Spanish-English dictionary
that I use, mestizo means half-caste, of mixed race. Arturo was telling me
about the caste system in Mexico. I talked to my mother about it and she
says that the elite status was given to the pure Spanish citizens early in
Mexico's history, but later the indigenous held higher status after the
Mexican Revolution and then the Spanish were looked down upon. My
grandmother had told about learning in school, during revolutionary times,
things about the Spanish in such a negative way she would feel really bad
about being Spanish, like it was something to be ashamed of. Anyways,
according to my mother, the mestizos were basically of mixed race, Spanish
and French or Indian or whatever else. My greatgrandmother was Spanish and
Portuguese. The Martin del Campos "de la Yegua Rusa," which my ancestors
were, may have been of Spanish and French descent. However, I am hoping
that if there was any indigenous ancestry, it will say so on records. I
just want to know all about my ancestry.
So, as I was saying, she says how the caste system worked was the rich,
aristocratic Spanish were at the top, the "mestizos" that held merchant type
positions were the middle class, then the Indians were at the bottom. I
know this is a big generalization, too simplified. But, on these particular
civil records, it states that my greatgrandfather was a tailor. I know that
his sister had a shoe store on the plaza right by the Cathedral at the turn
of the century 1800's to 1900's and she had servants, as well. Their father
was a shoemaker, his brother a tailor, so it sounds like they were part of
the middle class. The family also had a farm outside of town, near Zapopan
and were, at times, poor. So, then, I am led to believe that "half-caste"
means "middle class," but I would like to hear more about this. I will be
digging further into this family line and would like to know not just their
race, but how that figured in to their lives.
In researching the history of the city of Guadalajara, I learned that the
downtown had been planned, but then neighborhoods kind of spread and grew
around it, called the "barrios." In these barrios, they were mini villages
in and of themselves, the rich with their comings and goings, their servants
and families, their merchants, tailors, shoemakers, etc. living near them to
cater to their needs. And the Indians were sort of pushed to the outskirts
by Tlaquepaque, I believe. These barrios then became formal districts for
record-keeping purposes and were then called "colonias." The first of these
was in the old downtown. Anyways, that's how I understand it to be.
I would appreciate being enlighted about the above topics if I am mistaken
in regards to the race designation on records, what purpose that served, the
caste system and what mestizo and half-caste really means, and the evolution
of Guadalajara's barrios into colonias. It is a complex city and I think my
family history research will be centered around there for some time, before
I get into records of family that lived in the ranchos.