Maureen,
To say that you know Julian was born in San Miguel is a little optimistic, he may or may not have been born in San Miguel. I have found for example for one individual when his children were born and it will say he was from a certain place such as La Estancia and in the birth of one of his other children it will say he was from Tlachichila and the birth of another child will say Monte de Duranes. Take that as a lead but until you find proof you can surmise or guess that he was born in San Miguel.
One other detail is the supposed age. I have one ancestor who had several children and with each child the age listed for him remained the same. My take on that is always to calculate +/- 10 years of age from the age listed in the document. You may have to order the films for San Miguel for the years before 1862 and after 1870.
Take it as a possibility that he was born in San Miguel and then again maybe not. After 3 years of searching for the birth or baptism of my father in-law, I still have not found a birth or baptismal document.
Good Luck,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif
Julian Alviso born 1856 to 1858
I have been in search of my husband's grandparents birth and marriage records. I recently found them on a Valle de Guadalupe baptism of Jose 1/15/1906, son of Juan de Alva and Trinidad Jauregui. Trinidad was my husband's maternal great aunt. It listed Julian Alviso as 40 years old and from San Miguel and Catarina Jaurequi as 28 years old, but I could not read her place of origin. I was unable to print a copy yet as the printing machine in the history center has been out of service. Hopefully when I am able to print a copy, I will be able to read Catarina place of origin with the help of a magnifying glass. Well on with my question. I now know that Julian was born approximately 1865 in San Miguel. The problem is I have gone through the microfilm batch J603298 and Source # 0279429 for San Miguel 1862-1870. I had ordered the film and went though the records by hand individually. There is no Julian Alviso. Julian has a total of six brothers and sisters and all of
them
were ba
ptized at San Miguel El Alto. I have found his sibling's records, but no Julian. I know that Julian and Catarina exist as I have found five of their children and they are listed as sponsors on other baptisms. This is becoming very frustrating. My question is if possibly the microfilm is not a complete record? Also, was there another church in the vicinity of San Miguel El Alto that possibly Julian may have been baptized? Any suggestions on my next step?
Julian Alviso 1865
Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have researched baptisms for San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. I have found Julian's siblings. I have his parent's marriage and the age of his mother when she married. I calculated her childbearing years. She had a child every one or two years. There is only a 1 year gap 1856 to 1858 and also 1865. I subtracted wrong, so the above date of 1856 to 1858 is not the correct gap. It is 1865 as he was 40 years old listed on a baptism in 1905 where he was a sponsor. All his siblings were born in San Miguel. I have just looked again at the 1865 batch for San Miguel. Sadly I have found that the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarter for 1865 are not on the microfilm. Also from my records that I had printed when I went through the microfilm by hand do not have any 1865 records from June to December. I have contacted the LDS to find out if they know why those records were missing. I need another document to conclude Julian's age, but I feel 1865 is probably the one.
Julian Alviso born 1856 to 1858
Alicia,
You are absolutely right! I have been unable to find my own mother's birth or baptismal records. She never had any documentation, all her0 life she believed she was born in Aguascalientes. When she was about 50, we all piled into the car and went about finding long lost family. We found an aunt in Aguascalientes and she told my mom that she was actually born in Villa Garcia, Zacatecas! Well, I've searched Villa Garcia microfilm, and she's not listed on or near her birthday. Needless to say, I currently await microfilm on Aguascalientes and hope for the best. Good luck! Alice BB
--- alliecar@pacbell.net wrote:
From: Alicia Carrillo
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Julian Alviso born 1856 to 1858
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:08:57 -0800 (PST)
Maureen,
To say that you know Julian was born in San Miguel is a little optimistic, he may or may not have been born in San Miguel. I have found for example for one individual when his children were born and it will say he was from a certain place such as La Estancia and in the birth of one of his other children it will say he was from Tlachichila and the birth of another child will say Monte de Duranes. Take that as a lead but until you find proof you can surmise or guess that he was born in San Miguel.
One other detail is the supposed age. I have one ancestor who had several children and with each child the age listed for him remained the same. My take on that is always to calculate +/- 10 years of age from the age listed in the document. You may have to order the films for San Miguel for the years before 1862 and after 1870.
Take it as a possibility that he was born in San Miguel and then again maybe not. After 3 years of searching for the birth or baptism of my father in-law, I still have not found a birth or baptismal document.
Good Luck,
Alicia in San Jose, Calif
Julian Alviso born 1856 to 1858
I have been in search of my husband's grandparents birth and marriage records. I recently found them on a Valle de Guadalupe baptism of Jose 1/15/1906, son of Juan de Alva and Trinidad Jauregui. Trinidad was my husband's maternal great aunt. It listed Julian Alviso as 40 years old and from San Miguel and Catarina Jaurequi as 28 years old, but I could not read her place of origin. I was unable to print a copy yet as the printing machine in the history center has been out of service. Hopefully when I am able to print a copy, I will be able to read Catarina place of origin with the help of a magnifying glass. Well on with my question. I now know that Julian was born approximately 1865 in San Miguel. The problem is I have gone through the microfilm batch J603298 and Source # 0279429 for San Miguel 1862-1870. I had ordered the film and went though the records by hand individually. There is no Julian Alviso. Julian has a total of six brothers and sisters and all of
them
were ba
ptized at San Miguel El Alto. I have found his sibling's records, but no Julian. I know that Julian and Catarina exist as I have found five of their children and they are listed as sponsors on other baptisms. This is becoming very frustrating. My question is if possibly the microfilm is not a complete record? Also, was there another church in the vicinity of San Miguel El Alto that possibly Julian may have been baptized? Any suggestions on my next step?
Julian 1865
Dear Alicia:
Thank you. I have checked all the baptisms is San Miguel from 1838 to 1895. Sadly none of the children's baptism listed the age of Julian or Catarina. I know his approximate death, but did not find his death in Valle de Guadalupe. I have found Catarina's age in two different baptisms when she was a sponsor, so I think her age may be correct. I know Julian's mothers age at marriage and calculated her childbearing years. She had a baby every one or two years. There are only two gaps where Julian could have been born, so I am thinking the 1865 year is correct. Sadly the microfilm is mising the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters of 1865, so this is why I may not be able to find Julian.