This is for Nathan Jones.
Nathan,
I called Ms.Silvia Granillo (915-859-7913 who is the current Enrollment
Officer of the Tigua Tribe. I asked about wheher Cacique (Chief)
Perjuin Granillo was still alive. She told me that that was in the
olden time. She never answered my question but a Cacique Aniceto
Granillo died a long time ago. Perjuin may have been his nickname.
You can probably borrow books about his fron the University of Texas at
el Paso (UTEP) where they have Tigua history material.
In one of their references Cacique Granillo is listed as follows
Also, Silvia Granillo told me that she remembered an Alderete family
who used to live in the reservation but that they were never Tigua. If
I remember correctly (don't quote on this, it's been a long time since
I read it) that family was kicked out of the Reservation when they
dislodged several families who were not Tiguas.
Ms. Granillo also told me that for further information you should call
her at the number given. It might be usefull to pursue this further at
the Tigua office.
I hope this is helpful.
Elvira
From: NathanJones
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas.
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Do any of you in El Paso know if Chief Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas
is still
alive?
I am told he has another name, this might be his Hispanic name.
I am told he is the only living person who can verify my father's
heritage.
I'm told he has avoided all Alderetes for years because he feels
responsible for
the death of his best friend, my grandfather. He might think we want to
kill
him, but nothing is further from the truth. No one holds him
responsible, the
death was due to natural causes.
Marta Estrada at the El Paso Historical Society has tried to help me,
but she
says all her documents and files are in storage. By the time the
library is open
again, he may be dead, if he isn't already.
I believe there are pictures available of my ggrandfather, Benigno
Alderete,
perhaps at the Candelaria House, or in the library files. He was a major
personage in his times.>
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That is VERY helpful. Thank you!
We are not Tigua, only closely associated with them on a spiritual, and emotional level. Grandpa and the Chief were virtually inseperable. As close as two human beings could be.
So that is quite possible that our family was asked to leave reservation property. I had never heard that, but it makes sense. And my grandfather probably died shortly afterwards.
My father is now buried on reservation land. He was interred with full tibal honors. He declined a traditional Christian ceremony. I gave my sister a third of his ashes, and I spread a third at the Mexican-American Veteran's Memorial here in Los Angeles on Indiana by Evergreen Cemetery, and my nephew (the one with the Mongolian blue spot!) took the last third with his Native American wife for an Indian burial with dancing, and banging drums...
I would have gone with them, if I had known. I was only told afterwards. But my father got the funeral he always dreamed of. One befitting his Moctezuma descent thru my gggrandmother Maria Silvestra Romo.
I heard from Marta Estrada today as well. She tells me the Libary/Geneaological Society "might" open in their new quarters in September! They keep pushing back the date.
Marta tells me they have quite a collection on the Tiguas.
---- "campezina@juno.com" wrote:
> This is for Nathan Jones.
>
> Nathan,
>
> I called Ms.Silvia Granillo (915-859-7913 who is the current Enrollment
> Officer of the Tigua Tribe. I asked about wheher Cacique (Chief)
> Perjuin Granillo was still alive. She told me that that was in the
> olden time. She never answered my question but a Cacique Aniceto
> Granillo died a long time ago. Perjuin may have been his nickname.
>
> You can probably borrow books about his fron the University of Texas at
> el Paso (UTEP) where they have Tigua history material.
>
> In one of their references Cacique Granillo is listed as follows
>
>
>
> Also, Silvia Granillo told me that she remembered an Alderete family
> who used to live in the reservation but that they were never Tigua. If
> I remember correctly (don't quote on this, it's been a long time since
> I read it) that family was kicked out of the Reservation when they
> dislodged several families who were not Tiguas.
>
> Ms. Granillo also told me that for further information you should call
> her at the number given. It might be usefull to pursue this further at
> the Tigua office.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Elvira
>
>
> From: NathanJones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
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>
>
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>
>
> Do any of you in El Paso know if Chief Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas
> is still
> alive?
>
> I am told he has another name, this might be his Hispanic name.
>
> I am told he is the only living person who can verify my father's
> heritage.
>
> I'm told he has avoided all Alderetes for years because he feels
> responsible for
> the death of his best friend, my grandfather. He might think we want to
> kill
> him, but nothing is further from the truth. No one holds him
> responsible, the
> death was due to natural causes.
>
> Marta Estrada at the El Paso Historical Society has tried to help me,
> but she
> says all her documents and files are in storage. By the time the
> library is open
> again, he may be dead, if he isn't already.
>
> I believe there are pictures available of my ggrandfather, Benigno
> Alderete,
> perhaps at the Candelaria House, or in the library files. He was a major
> personage in his times.>
>
>
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>
> Alicia and Pat:
The Juana Delgadillo entry you quote for Capitulo 13, Pagina 44 is
the daughter of Diego Delgadillo and Petrona de Yslas. You lost the context
because you only quoted the excerpt from the one page and didn't follow it
back to the parents. If you look in the same chapter at the end of
the first paragraph on page forty it reads: "De este matrimonio se han
documentado los siguientes dieciocho vástagos:" Then, the eighteen children
a-q (including the ñ, but not the ch) are named; with two Juanas being
children of that couple l (wife of Lorenzo) and o (christened 27 Dec 1683 en
Nochistlan--you missed this one). Jose Luis Vazquez also names three Juans
as children of this couple on pages 42-43. Juan Delgadillo, Juan de
Renteria and Juan Delgado de Yslas. I did not enter all the names in my
database because I found some errors in the book. For example on page 42:
Josephe Juarez is said to have been christened in 1660. Josephe's mother
(my ancestress) Thomassa Delgadillo was christened in 1657--she would've
been 3 years old at the time her son was christened? It was probably just a
typo, but I opted not to enter anything that I couldn't cross-reference in
the IGI as that would give me two sources. Not a fool-proof method, but
it's better than a single source.
Maria
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:35:18 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alicia Carrillo
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Juana Delgadillos
> To: Ranchos
> Message-ID: <20060726233518.50651.qmail@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Ernie and Pat,
>
> Here are 7 additional excerpts from Jose Luis' book, regarding Juana
> Delgadillos. I guess it shows you must be very cautious and vigilant when
> claiming ancestry to a certain individual's name because as we can see there
> appear to be several Juana Delgadillos.
>
> Buena suerte,
> Alicia
> San Jose, Ca
>
>
>
> Capitulo 13, Pagina 40
> Juana Flores de Medrano. El 14 de Febrero de 1695 en Nochistlan, caso
> Juana Flores de Medrano hija de Francisco Flores de Medrano y Maria de
> Sandoval; con Nicolas Ximenes, vecino de esta feligresia, residente en el
> pueblo de San Diego, hijo de Diego Ximenez y Catharina de Arellano (Capitulo
> 74), siendo padrinos Lorenzo Alvarez y Juana Delgadillo.
>
> Capitulo 13, Pagina 41
> 9) Magdalena de Enriquez. El 26 de febrero 1702 en Nochistlan casaron
> Magdalena de Enriquez y Joseph Alvarez Tostado hijo del Captitan Francisco
> Alvarez Tostado (hijo de Lorenzo (Nicolas segun la dispensa) Alvarez
> Tostado) y de Maria Ana Ramirez de Hermosillo (hija de Jose Ramirez de
> Mendoza y Ana Mu?oz de Hermosillo). Refierase a la dispensa Matrimonial de
> Antonio Ximenez y Juana Josepha Delgadillo.
>
> Capitulo 13, Pagina 44
> Juana Delgadillo quien caso con Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado vecino de
> Teocaltiche hijo de Lorenzo Alvarez Tostado y Maria de Nava y Cuevas
> teniendo su descendencia en Teocaltiche. La consanguinidad en 3ro con 4to
> grado expuesta en la dispensa matrimonial presentada el 27 de Enero de 1749
> en Nochistlan por Bartolome Alvarez Tostado hijo de Joseph Alvarez Tostado y
> Magdalena Enriquez, difunta: para casar con Juana Gertrudis Delgadillo, hija
> de Diego Delgadillo Alarcon y Maria Gonzalez de Hermosillo, difunta.
> identifica como tronco a Juan Delgadillo y Maria de la Concepcion Islas
> donde Diego Delgadillo padre de Ysabel Delgadillo abuela del pretenso y Juan
> Delgadillo abuelo de la pretensa son hermanos. Sagrada Mitra de Guadalajara,
> Expedientes de la Serie de Matrimonios - Extractos de los Siglos XVII y
> XVIII. Maria de la Luz Montejano Hilton, Microfilm 168007. De este
> matrimonio se han documentado los siguientes seis vastagos:
>
>
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Dear Ernie, Glad to hear from you, but this Silvia does not know what she is talking about "Perjuin" dying a long time ago, he was still alive and chief this year when my sister Gloria and I went to El Paso. He was very much alive and in a wheel chair. None of the Alderetes have ever lived in a reservation, we were the closest to them, and at the time, they were not even on a reservation, since they were not recognized as a true tribe then. The indians lived across the irrigation canal, and we lived on the other side.
I was going to write you and ask you for the lab's address for the DNA testing. My brother Joe is in the U.S. now, in Salem, Oregon, and they go visit my daughter Pam in Oceanside. I will get the DNA kit to my daughter and she can get him to take it.
---- "campezina@juno.com" wrote:
> This is for Nathan Jones.
>
> Nathan,
>
> I called Ms.Silvia Granillo (915-859-7913 who is the current Enrollment
> Officer of the Tigua Tribe. I asked about wheher Cacique (Chief)
> Perjuin Granillo was still alive. She told me that that was in the
> olden time. She never answered my question but a Cacique Aniceto
> Granillo died a long time ago. Perjuin may have been his nickname.
>
> You can probably borrow books about his fron the University of Texas at
> el Paso (UTEP) where they have Tigua history material.
>
> In one of their references Cacique Granillo is listed as follows
>
>
>
> Also, Silvia Granillo told me that she remembered an Alderete family
> who used to live in the reservation but that they were never Tigua. If
> I remember correctly (don't quote on this, it's been a long time since
> I read it) that family was kicked out of the Reservation when they
> dislodged several families who were not Tiguas.
>
> Ms. Granillo also told me that for further information you should call
> her at the number given. It might be usefull to pursue this further at
> the Tigua office.
>
> I hope this is helpful.
>
> Elvira
>
>
> From: NathanJones
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas.
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Message-ID:
>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
>
> Do any of you in El Paso know if Chief Perjuin Granillo of the Tiguas
> is still
> alive?
>
> I am told he has another name, this might be his Hispanic name.
>
> I am told he is the only living person who can verify my father's
> heritage.
>
> I'm told he has avoided all Alderetes for years because he feels
> responsible for
> the death of his best friend, my grandfather. He might think we want to
> kill
> him, but nothing is further from the truth. No one holds him
> responsible, the
> death was due to natural causes.
>
> Marta Estrada at the El Paso Historical Society has tried to help me,
> but she
> says all her documents and files are in storage. By the time the
> library is open
> again, he may be dead, if he isn't already.
>
> I believe there are pictures available of my ggrandfather, Benigno
> Alderete,
> perhaps at the Candelaria House, or in the library files. He was a major
> personage in his times.>
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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if you ever have time this is a good group/website to know it has info about the Ranchos and some the memember have all reday done there trees.