My mother's DNA results came in and I was in utter shock to see her results. I am well-aware of the Spanish conquering Mexico and the Burburs and Moors taking over the southern part of Spain that is now referred to as Andalucia. So when I took a DNA test, I wasn't shocked to see that I was 38% Iberian, 33% Native American and 10% Middle Eastern (only 6% Italian/Greek). However, my mother's DNA results stated that she was 34% Native American, 33% Italian/Greek and only 14% Iberian.
I know that I am related to Carlos Lomelini on one of my lines but that still wouldn't account for 33% Italian/Greek. I have tracked all my maternal grandparents up to the fifth generation (I have further lines on some branches) into the early 1700s and they were all born in Jalisco.
Can anyone give me any insight on this? Does anyone else know of Italian ancestry in Jalisco during or beyond this time frame?
Thanks,
Vanessa
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Mi mama tomo una prueba de ADN y la informaccion dijo que era 33% Italiana/Griega. He encontrado todos mis abuelos maternos hasta la quinta generacion pero todos ellos nacieron en Jalisco.
Alguien puede dar me un idea de los Italianos en Jalisco durante y antes del principio de los 1700s? Yo se que Carlos Lomelini es uno de mis abuelos maternos pero el no puede dar cuenta de 33% del ADN de mi mama.
Gracias,
Vanessa
Italian Ancestry in Jalisco
Research on Italian ancestors of some Nueva Galicia founders.
Four Italian lines that I have done a lot of research on are through my Villaseñor-Orosco- Cervantes line, Lomellieni line, Estrada-Gutierrez-Bocanegra line, and De La Torre-Ledesma line.
There are a couple of other Italian lines that I have researched like the Perestrello (Pallestrelli) and the Spinola that I haven't proven.
I believe the Peres-franco de Paredes may descend from the Perestrello (Pallestrelli) family.
I also have not proved which Luis Lomelin Spinola is my ancestor so I have collected information on both Spinola branches.
Although it is correct that Aragon did own parts of what is now Italy, there was also a lot of movement/interaction between France and Aragon. A prime Example of a family living in both Aragon and France are the Fernandez de Hijar Sanchez ancestors that I have proposed as Toribio Hernandez Hijar Arellano Sanchez's paternal ancestors.
Rick A. Ricci
Italian Ancestry in Jalisco
I think what is getting lost in many of these posts is that there were not enough Italian ancestors in Los Altos de Jalisco, or the environs, for an amount of 33% Italian/Greek to be real. Even full Italians don't get 100% Italian DNA in a lot of DNA tests. DNA divides on average about 50% so for a person to really have 33% Italian/Greek they would have to have more than 33% of their genealogical tree with Italian ancestors so the Italian DNA wouldn't get lost in the over the many generations and instead would just recombine. The documented ancestry of the people of the region and the DNA of the people from the region that have tested doesn't support such a large amount of Italian DNA. The 23andme ethnicity calculator is normally much closer to the documented ancestry when looking at autosomal DNA. FTDNA is much better for Y-DNA, mtDNA, and is also useful for finding additional matches from autosomal DNA.
Italian Ancestry in Jalisco
An example of what Armando states about an Italian not coming up hundred per cent Italian is the Lomellini. Even though I gave traced the Lomellini in Italy for many centuries, they would not show up as a hundred percent Italian as I have found that they also have French, German, and even Iberian roots way, way back.
The Villaseñor-Orosco-Cervantes line is an Iberian line that does have Italian ancestors that go way back, but also include North African and middle eastern ancestry.
Armando stated that parents give an "average of fifty per cent". His statement is true but most people don't understand the implications of an average of DNA contribution. One parent can give a higher percentage of their DNA than the other parent. It is not fifty-fifty, that is the average of data.
R.A. Ricci
Crown of Aragon
It should be noted that the Crown of Aragon included large portions of Italy including Sicily and Naples. Under the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella, Castile and Aragon were combined into one state now known as Spain. This should explain any Italian lineage you find in Mexico.
Crown of Aragon
Last March as part of the group, *Nuevo Mundo Historical and Genealogical
Society of Silicon Valley*, I presented a Powerpoint presentation on this
topic, the first colonizers to the America's based solely on the book
mentioned below.
According to Peter Boyd Bowman's book titled Indice Biografico de Cuarenta
Mil Pobladores Españoles De America en el Siglo XVI, Tomo 1 - 1493-1519,
There were 44 Portuguese, 61 Italians, 36 of other origins, most of these
were mariners and merchants. Those who were Italian were mostly from Genoa,
although most of them resided in Sevilla. Most of these arrived and settled
in the Dominican Republic, although some returned to Spain. Genoa at the
time, was known as the center of ship building and sea merchants in the
Iberian Peninsula, therefore it also produced the most mariners. Mariners
was not the same as sailors, those who were mariners and merchants usually
came from well educated, more prosperous families.
Of the first 5,481 colonizers who came to America from 1493-1519, the
majority were from Andalucia.
*These are all provinces within the Community of Andalucia - They were
called comunidades rather than states in España*
For every 6 colonizers, one was identified as a vecino, or neighbor of
Andalucia.
}Sevilla – 1,259 or 58%, Cordoba (180), Jaen (120)
}Huelva - 439 or 20%, Toledo (101), Cadiz (122)
*These provinces were not from Andalucia*
Salamanca (255), Burgos (63), Badajoz (440), Segovia (42) Avila (40)
To a smaller degree, Granada comprising Almeria, Granada and Malaga, 54 or
2.4%, although in 1493, Granada was still not considered part of España as
it was still under Muslim Rule, it was the last community to be conquered
from the Moorish Arabs.
*Among the merchants there were small groups from many of the larger
provinces such as Castilla La Vieja, Zamora, Salamanca, Toledo, Madrid,
Logroño, Valladolid, Segovia and Leon. Why so few? These were the more
educated persons who had either requested permission from King Ferdinand or
had been ordered to accompany Cristobal Colon on his 3 trips to America.*
*Genoveses were from the large Italian commercial families of Sevilla. The
Castellon, Grimaldo and Cataño** families.*milies.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:30 PM, wrote:
> It should be noted that the Crown of Aragon included large portions of
> Italy
> including Sicily and Naples. Under the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella,
> Castile and Aragon were combined into one state now known as Spain. This
> should explain any Italian lineage you find in Mexico.
>
Crown of Aragon
Last March as part of the group, *Nuevo Mundo Historical and Genealogical
Society of Silicon Valley*, I presented a Powerpoint presentation on this
topic, the first colonizers to the America's based solely on the book
mentioned below.
According to Peter Boyd Bowman's book titled Indice Biografico de Cuarenta
Mil Pobladores Españoles De America en el Siglo XVI, Tomo 1 - 1493-1519,
There were 44 Portuguese, 61 Italians, 36 of other origins, most of these
were mariners and merchants. Those who were Italian were mostly from Genoa,
although most of them resided in Sevilla. Most of these arrived and settled
in the Dominican Republic, although some returned to Spain. Genoa at the
time, was known as the center of ship building and sea merchants in the
Iberian Peninsula, therefore it also produced the most mariners. Mariners
was not the same as sailors, those who were mariners and merchants usually
came from well educated, more prosperous families.
Of the first 5,481 colonizers who came to America from 1493-1519, the
majority were from Andalucia.
*These are all provinces within the Community of Andalucia - They were
called comunidades rather than states in España*
For every 6 colonizers, one was identified as a vecino, or neighbor of
Andalucia.
}Sevilla – 1,259 or 58%, Cordoba (180), Jaen (120)
}Huelva - 439 or 20%, Toledo (101), Cadiz (122)
*These provinces were not from Andalucia*
Salamanca (255), Burgos (63), Badajoz (440), Segovia (42) Avila (40)
To a smaller degree, Granada comprising Almeria, Granada and Malaga, 54 or
2.4%, although in 1493, Granada was still not considered part of España as
it was still under Muslim Rule, it was the last community to be conquered
from the Moorish Arabs.
*Among the merchants there were small groups from many of the larger
provinces such as Castilla La Vieja, Zamora, Salamanca, Toledo, Madrid,
Logroño, Valladolid, Segovia and Leon. Why so few? These were the more
educated persons who had either requested permission from King Ferdinand or
had been ordered to accompany Cristobal Colon on his 3 trips to America.*
*Genoveses were from the large Italian commercial families of Sevilla. The
Castellon, Grimaldo and Cataño** families.*milies.
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 8:30 PM, wrote:
> It should be noted that the Crown of Aragon included large portions of
> Italy
> including Sicily and Naples. Under the marriage of Ferdinand and Isabella,
> Castile and Aragon were combined into one state now known as Spain. This
> should explain any Italian lineage you find in Mexico.
>
Italian/Greek
My views are are not scientific but deduction from the what I have seen and read. If you took your DNA test through Ancestry you will see all the people you match have very similar results. My family, Relatives and friends all were as astonished as you and I to see Italian/Greek. I read Ancestry's explanation of history why there is an admixed in Spain as well as in Italy/Greece. My cousins the Pedrozas matched to over 490 people with very similar results, as well as the Molinas, Antunas, Castellanos, Rodriguez/Lomelin, and Ruiz/Vargas. But my friend who is a Garcia Trevino from Nuevo Leon matched to over 2000 people, all with very similar DNA.
Published in 1925, La Raza Cósmica by Jose Vasconcelos The phrase derived by a movement that stated Americans have the blood of all the world's so-called “races”: European, Asian-descended native Americans and Africans, thereby transcending the peoples of the "old world". While the entire phrase did not catch on, La Raza did.
Italian/Greek
Vanessa,
Almost everyone with ancestry from Mexico and Hispanics from U.S. Southwest get a lot of Italian/Greek in their AncestryDNA results. Not a lot of Spaniards and Portuguese have posted their AncestryDNA.
At 23andme Mexicans, including people from Jalisco, and Latin Americans get a lot of Iberian but only sometimes some Italian and no Greek which shows up as Balkan. If they do get Italian it is normally 3% or less but for Spaniards and Portuguese it is not uncommon for them to get 3% or more Italian and a very minute amount of Greek. So the Italian looks to be from more ancient ancestry that has persisted through the Iberian ancestry.
FTDNA myOrigins does not try to separate Iberian and Italian so Mexicans and other Latin Americans wouldn't see a difference there. However, Greeks get a lot of Asia Minor with FTDNA myOrigins but most Hispanics don't.
The Oracles in the Admixture calculators at www.gedmatch.com probably won't show Italian as a possible source of the DNA. You can try them and see what you get for your mother.
Since all three companies have very different results for people from Jalisco, Mexico, Latin America, and Iberia it is hard to tell which company is doing the best job especially when we can't see what other people around the world are getting at AncestryDNA. They all use some HGDP reference populations along with some proprietary datasets that they have created but haven't shared with the other companies or the public. AncestryDNA and 23andme have larger reference datasets than FTDNA myOrigins. Each company also uses their own methodology. 23andme has a proprietary program to phase the datasets before using them as a reference. 23andme has the additional ability to phase customers when a parent and a child have tested. That helps to reduce false positives. So if you were to test yourself and your mother at 23andme her results would be better than if you tested her there by yourself.
Armando
Italian DNA
I have tested my mother, father and myself. My results are more similar to my father's in that I showed up as Amerindian and Iberian. Only 6% Italian appeared in my DNA.
I will be going to La Barca, Jalisco to test my mother's maternal and paternal uncles who are in their late 80s - early 90s during the Holidays. It is my estimation that my mother's maternal grandfather, a Villasenor, will have the Italian line as his mother and father were second cousins and I assume it is because of this that there is a large percentage of Italian genealogy in my mother's DNA. Also, I have messaged one of my cousins on ancestry.com who stems from one of my Villasenor lines and she had about 10-15% Italian ancestry.
I have transferred my DNA code from AncestryDNA to FTDNA and have seen some differences in ancestry from the two. I am wondering what you all think would be the best or most advantageous way of using my granduncles' DNA. Do you think using a different testing site would be better?
Thanks,
Vanessa
Italian DNA
Dear Vanessa,
Many people from Los Altos de Jalisco will find some percentage of Italian blood, but it is usually in the single digits. You are correct that the Villaseñor Orosco Cervantes line is a contributor to Italian ancestry results. From this line I have traced a couple of Italian families for centuries in Italy. These families have provided some interesting stories.
Rick A. Ricci
Italian DNA
Rick Ricci,
I have a sheet with the DNA results of 39 Spaniards and 16 Portuguese and almost all of them have Italian DNA. So it isn't just the people from Los Altos de Jalisco that will have Italian DNA.
Italian DNA
Dear Armando
I agree with you that there are many more. By my comment I meant that I have researched a couple of my Italian lines for many centuries in Italy, and their descendants in Los altos de Jalisco.
Thanks
Rick A Ricci
Italian DNA
Vanessa,
I wouldn't take the AncestryDNA results literally. Many people from Latin America get levels of Italian/Greek far above what they get at 23andme which is a much more accurate test. You have already seen differences between AncestryDNA and FTDNA. If you were to test yourself, your mother and your father at 23andme you would see even a bigger difference and more accurate results. 23andme has a $99 test just for ancestry at https://www.23andme.com/dna-ancestry/ That's the test I recommend that you get for you, your family, and your relatives.
Gedmatch has other calculators for free. Have you uploaded all of the kits to Gedmatch? Try going to Admixture (heritage) then select Eurogenes then Eurogenes K13 then click on Oracle-4 then look at 4 populations approximation. Does your mother get Italian in that result?
Armando
Italian DNA
Because Italy was part time d to be Spanish empire and some family Blaine's
me to Italy like zambrano I have 5/ DNA from Sardinia and Italy. Malta etc
were Spanish order armies
On Nov 22, 2016 1:46 PM, wrote:
> I have tested my mother, father and myself. My results are more similar to
> my
> father's in that I showed up as Amerindian and Iberian. Only 6% Italian
> appeared in my DNA. I will be going to La Barca, Jalisco to test my
> mother's
> maternal and paternal uncles who are in their late 80s - early 90s during
> the
> Holidays. It is my estimation that my mother's maternal grandfather, a
> Villasenor, will have the Italian line as his mother and father were second
> cousins and I assume it is because of this that there is a large percentage
> of Italian genealogy in my mother's DNA. Also, I have messaged one of my
> cousins on ancestry.com who stems from one of my Villasenor lines and she
> had
> about 10-15% Italian ancestry. I have transferred my DNA code from
> AncestryDNA to FTDNA and have seen some differences in ancestry from the
> two.
> I am wondering what you all think would be the best or most advantageous
> way
> of using my granduncles' DNA. Do you think using a different testing site
> would be better? Thanks, Vanessa
>
Italianos y griegos en las órdenes militares
Hola a todos:
La Orden de San Juan de Jerusalén estuvo en muchos lugares del oriente medio y sus militares estuvieron en España y posteriormente en Nueva España y Nueva Galicia.
Una de las ramas principales es la de la familia Zúñiga (Stunicca) Duques de Béjar cuyo sobrino Iñigo Ortiz de Zúñiga se halló en la conquista de Nueva Galicia.
En ésta conquista estuvo también Don Hernando Pérez de Córdova y Bocanegra (Fernández de Córdoba), un siciliano de apelido Rosso.
La familia Ramírez de Coy tan extendida en Nueva Galicia desciende de los Spínola y los Doria de Génova y los Bravo de Sicilia.
Otra familia italiana muy generalizada es la familia Estrada.
Hay los apellido Rodas, Griego, Martin (Pinzón), Sandi, de origen griego y otros como los Calvo, genoveses.
Tengo alguna información de estas familias, pues en Querétaro hubo varias de origen genovés, siciliano, griego... depende de los ancestros de la madre de Vanessa.
Saludos
Marcelina
Paisano
Marcelia (o alguien mas que sabe de esta familia) perdone que te escribo lo siquiente en English ya que no se mucho de escribir en Espanol. Have you come across any Paisano. My fourth great grandfather was Jacinto Paisano married to Maria Carmen Amalla around 1780 in San Luis Potosi, Mexico?
Pisano de Sierra de Pinos
Hola Sarod:
Pues antes de estar en San Luis Potosí estaban en la Sierra de Pinos de Zacatecas:
Al revisar los apellidos al parecer originalmente eran Pisano o Pisana, posiblemente toponímicos de Pisa, Italia.
Hay una Familia de Domingo Pisana y María Francisca de Herrera con varios hijos bautizados en San Matías, Sierra de Pinos, Zacatecas pero tuvieron un hijo e Mexquitic en 1740 San Luis Potosí. Hubo además un Joseph Pisano y un Salvador Pisano. Pero no está el registro de bautizo de Jacinto.
En 1750 aparece un Domingo Paisano con María Mireles bautizando a María Antonia Abad en Mexquitic.
Jacinto viene a aparecer hasta 1774 cuando se casa en San Matías, Sierra de Pinos el día 30 de junio con María Carmen Nieto, que utilizó los apellidos Amaya y Baticoia.
Tuvieron sus hijos en Sierra de Pinos: María Gregoria se bautizó el 15 de mayo de 1783, Joseph Alexandro se bautizó el 25 de octubre de 1785.
Después la familia pasa a Salinas, San Luis Potosí como consta en el bautismo de María Dolores de Jesús nacida en Azogueros hija de Antonio Eduardo Herrera y María Rufina Paisano hija de Jacinto Paisano y María del Carmen.
Espero que te sirva esta información, ya que no tengo mucha información sobre las familias de Zacatecas, lo que te envío lo busqué en Familysearch.
Marcelina
Pisana, Pisano o Paisano
Marcelina and Rick, Thank you so much for the valuable added information.
I had come across some records by the name pisano and felt they were the same but put off proving it as Maria Carmen o Carmel Nieto, o Amalla o Baticoia (this is truly new to me and a name I had not come across) was spinning my wheels. In the civil records of her son Rafael (3rd Grandfather) passing 11 May 1862 • San Luis Potosí, México, she is referred to as Maria Betancourt. I'll renew my search with those two new names.
Escareno, Tiscareño
Hola Sarod:
En la búsqueda de ayer vi un registro en que la familia realmente era Tiscareño y no Escareño, que al parecer es una deformación. Pero luego ya no pude encontrarlo.
Toma en cuenta esta variación porque varios compañeros ya tiene avances sobre la descendencia de Don Luis Tiscareño de Molina, uno de los genearcas de la región.
Saludos
Marcelina
Escareno, Tiscareno, Yscareno, Iscareno....
Al principio de mi busqueda de Escareno note que hay muchas variaciones pero aun no puedo encontrar mi Juan Jose Tiscareno (LKC8-FDZ) casado con Michaela Rodriguez.
La problema de Juan Jose tiscareno es su mama. No se si el es de esta Ana Maria Tiscareno
(9Q3M-ZVC) hija de Joseph Tiscareno Huerta y Theresa Mendez o otra.
Son muchos los hijos pero no creo que son de ella aunque si tiene sus nombres. 33 anos de tener hijos.
Ya junte muchos tiscarenos pero no encuentro los datos de su matrimonio. Se que los tiscarenos estuvieron en aguascalientes, asientos, ags., jalisco y esta rama paso a Azogueros donde fueron varias familias que eran duenos y muchos de ellos eran familia desde mucho antes.
Thank you Marcelina for your help.
Simona
Tiscareño en Salinas
Hola Simona:
El primer registro en Salinas es el bautismo de José de los Ángeles Tiscareño, hijo de Bernardo Tiscareño, contiene imagen en la que se especifica que no se conocen los nombres de los abuelos paternos ni maternos.
"México, San Luis Potosí, registros parroquiales, 1586-1970", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNYX-TV4 : 27 July 2015), Jose de los Angeles Tiscareno, 1799.
La utilidad de éste registro es que indica que la familia estuvo en Salinas a fines del Siglo XVIII.
Será necesario buscar a ese Bernardo para saber de qué rama viene la familia.
Saludos
Marcelina
Tiscareno en Salinas
thank you Marcelina for your help. The following is info for Bernardo Tiscareno.
José de los Ángeles Tiscareño (Salinas, SLP 1799), hijo de Bernardo Tiscareño,
Bernardo Tiscareno Born possibly in Pinos or Charcas, SLP is hijo de Jose Toribio Tiscareno Mendez (1727)
Jose Toribio Tiscareno Mendez (Pinos, 1727) hijo de Joseph Tiscareno Huerta 07 Nov 1681 Ags.
Many of the records in Nuestro Padre Jesus, Salinas, SLP, Mexico either have "se ignoran los Padres" or No Saben, No conocidos but having found many of the marriages of these families in Salinas and having known parents, I can only guess that someone went to register who didn't know their names or the scribe somehow didn't ask or write it down.
Escareno, Tiscareno, Yscareno, Iscareno....
Simona,
Yo soy pariente cercano de José de Tiscareño y Hurta y su mujer Teresa Méndez de Sotomayor e Infante quienes casaron el 22 de abril de 1720 en Sierra de Pinos. No tengo noticia de sus nietos, solamente sus hijos quienes debes conocer muy bien. A cuanto tu línea Tiscareño/Rodríguez, tu Juan José podría ser Juan José de los Reyes de Tiscareño y su mujer Teresa de Córdoba?
Daniel Méndez de Torres y Camino
Italian Ancestry
I have a question related to the Italian ancestry at the beginning of this thread. I did my AncestryDNA a couple years ago and never thought much of it but after seeing some of the others DNA it seems different from some of those posted here. All of my ancestry is from Mexico, although, not all of my ancestors are from Nueva Galicia. But, I'm wondering if someone can tell me if these results seem typical:
6% North African
1% African South Central Hunter Gatherers
19% Native American
6% East Asia
23% Iberian Peninsula
11% Europe West
11% Italy/Greece
6% Great Britain
3% Scandinavia
3% European Jewish
3% Ireland
8% Middle East
Paige
Italian Ancestors
Hola Paige:
Posiblemente los ancestros más recientes que tienes son los nativo americano y los más antiguos son los africanos.
Supongo que sabes cuáles son tus raíces de la Península Ibérica.
Para conocer las otras raíces es necesario saber los lugares en los que estuvieron tus ancestros. Antes escribí una lista de los apellidos italianos más antiguos de Nueva Galicia. Conozco varias familias Villalobos con rasgos árabes. En tu presentación únicamente incluyes los apellidos Torres y Villalobos.
México tiene mucha diversidad étnica. Posiblemente tienes alguna idea acerca de los apellidos de tus ancestros y su origen.
Saludos
Marcelina
Jose de tiscareno y Huerta
Daniel thank you as well.
On ancestry Juan Jose de los Reyes de tiscareno y Teresa de Cordoba I thought maybe they are the same but they don't quite fit with the information available. I'll keep searching the records of Charcas, Asientos, and Zacatecas.
Threads to pick for clues on the Pisano family
Dear Simona,
Marcelina has provided valuable information on this family. I am attaching a few threads to pick at to find more information on this family.
I believe that before San Luis Potosí and Zacatecas the family may have been in Guanajuato so include that state in your search for clues.
Good Luck,
Rick A. Ricci
Jph. Alexandro Paisanos Baticoia
Gender Male
Christening Date 25 Oct 1785
Christening Place SAN MATIAS,PINOS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO
Father's Name Xacinto Paisanos
Mother's Name Ma. Del Carmel Baticoia
Citing this Record
"México bautismos, 1560-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG8F-H3L : 2 January 2015), Xacinto Paisanos in entry for Jph. Alexandro Paisanos Baticoia, 25 Oct 1785; citing SAN MATIAS,PINOS,ZACATECAS,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,095,300.
Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano
mentioned in the record of Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano and Antta. Rosa Ramires
Name Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano
Spouse's Name Antta. Rosa Ramires
Event Date 14 Feb 1713
Event Place Morelia,Celaya,Guanajuato,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JH15-QQ5 : 15 July 2015), Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano and Antta. Rosa Ramires, 14 Feb 1713; citing Morelia,Celaya,Guanajuato,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 607,544.
Joseph Jacintho Payzano
mentioned in the record of Joseph Jacintho Payzano and Maria Del Carmel Nieto
Name Joseph Jacintho Payzano
Spouse's Name Maria Del Carmel Nieto
Event Date 30 Jun 1774
Event Place San Matias,Pinos,Zacatecas,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5F8-KRB : 16 July 2015), Joseph Jacintho Payzano and Maria Del Carmel Nieto, 30 Jun 1774; citing San Matias,Pinos,Zacatecas,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1,095,678, 1,096,164.
Name Maria Dolores de Jesus Herrera
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 23 Mar 1823
Event Place Nuestro Padre Jesús, Salinas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Gender Female
Father's Name Antonio Eduardo
Mother's Name Maria Rufina Paisano
Paternal Grandfather's Name Francisco Herrera
Paternal Grandmother's Name Petra Bermejo
Maternal Grandfather's Name Jacinto Paisano
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria Carmen
Citing this Record
"México, San Luis Potosí, registros parroquiales, 1586-1970", database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK72-1G5Y : 27 July 2015), Jacinto Paisano in entry for Maria Dolores de Jesus Herrera, 1823.
Maria Sesaria Benedicta Escareno
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 03 Mar 1824
Event Place Nuestro Padre Jesús, Salinas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Gender Female
Father's Name Rafael Escareno
Mother's Name Maria Bentura Paisano
Paternal Grandfather's Name Juan Jose Escareno
Paternal Grandmother's Name Maria Micaela Rodriguez
Maternal Grandfather's Name Jacinto Paisano
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria Carmen Amaya
Citing this Record
"México, San Luis Potosí, registros parroquiales, 1586-1970", database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK72-1P9L : 27 July 2015), Jacinto Paisano in entry for Maria Sesaria Benedicta Escareno, 1824.
Jacinto Paisano
mentioned in the record of Maria Vicenta Anastacia Escovedo
Name Jacinto Paisano
Gender Male
Wife Maria del Carmen Amalla
Daughter Dionicia Paisano
Other information in the record of
from Mexico, San Luis Potosí, Catholic Church Records
Name Maria Vicenta Anastacia Escovedo
Event Type Baptism
Event Date 24 Jan 1816
Event Place Nuestro Padre Jesús, Salinas, San Luis Potosi, Mexico
Gender Female
Father's Name Prudencio Escovedo
Mother's Name Dionicia Paisano
Paternal Grandfather's Name Ysidro Escovedo
Paternal Grandmother's Name Maria Aniceta Beltran
Maternal Grandfather's Name Jacinto Paisano
Maternal Grandmother's Name Maria del Carmen Amalla
Citing this Record
"México, San Luis Potosí, registros parroquiales, 1586-1970", database with images, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK7L-MXZ2 : 27 July 2015), Jacinto Paisano in entry for Maria Vicenta Anastacia Escovedo, 1816.
Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano
mentioned in the record of Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano and Antta. Rosa Ramires
Name Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano
Spouse's Name Antta. Rosa Ramires
Event Date 14 Feb 1713
Event Place Morelia,Celaya,Guanajuato,Mexico
Citing this Record
"México matrimonios, 1570-1950," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JH15-QQ5 : 15 July 2015), Jacinto De La Cruz Pizano and Antta. Rosa Ramires, 14 Feb 1713; citing Morelia,Celaya,Guanajuato,Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 607,544