Carlo Lomellin

My work on Carlo Lomellini is extensive. My work up to this point on Luis Lomeli is not as extensive and is more speculative as there are more possible people that can be our Luis Lomeli. At this time there are three possible Luis Lomelin, two with a mother surnamed Spinola, a third that is also from the Iberian peninsula. The third one is a recent discovery.

When I posted the family tree on possible Luis Lomelin, I stated that I was "trying on a Glass slipper" on possible Luis Lomelin's. Any work on Geni that shows Luis Lomelin's ancestry is just someone copying my speculation and falsely posting it as fact. There is still much research to compile on Luis Lomelin.

There are three men married to Maria Lomelin, a daughter of Luis Lomelin and Maria Olmo. Are there three marriages for one Maria Lomelin y Olmo?

I have confirmed that Maria had two marriages but still looking for more evidence of the third marriage.

Here are the marriages:
Francisco de la Cueva y "María Lomelín hija de Luis Lomelin y Maria del Olmos"

Juan Villaseñor y Patiño de Herrera married to "María Lomelín "hija de Luis Lomelin y Maria del Olmos"

Diego de Barrientos Ribera y "María Lomelín hija de Luis Lomelin y Maria del Olmos"

I only know of three daughters of Luis Lomelin and Maria del Olmos. Does anyone know if they had more children?

Rick A. Ricci

Dear Becky,

Last week Veronica told me that you were a member of Nuestrosranchos. I was happily surprised by the news and racked my brain trying to remember seeing your name in posts. It wasn't until I did a little investigating that I discoverered that you, as "visitor", had originally asked about Carlo Lomellin. If it hadn't been for your question I probably would have just kept on researching the Lomellini in Spain, Portugal, and Italy without posting some of the information.

As you know by now, I have tremendous amount of information on the Lomeli / Lomellini family.

Yesterday I took a look at your mom's ancestry and collected some information, (baptismal records, marriage records and census records.) I also pulled birth records from the civil records to make sure I was researching the right people.

Hopefully during Easter break I can find time to put a package together for you and send it through regular mail.

Please tell everyone in the family that they are in our thoughts and prayers,
Rick

We keep repeating that the Lomelin of Mexico come from the Lomellini from Italy and that is correct for many, many centuries. But I have found that the branch that I have gone furthest back on leads right back to what is today Portugal and Spain. Back to the Visigoth kings of the Iberian Peninsula.
The Lomellini have a line that goes back to Rechila, the Suevic King of Galicia of the fifth century. His mother was the daughter of Wallia, King of the Visigoths. This line leads to the middle of the first century where documentation ends with Berik, King of the Goths.
R.A.Ricci

In our research of Luis and Carlo Lomellini it seemed as we had little information to work with. But that is not so. We have gathered many little pieces that placed together like a jigsaw puzzle have helped us identify the possible and probable parents of the these two men. Some highly respected historians and genealogists have repeated the claim that they were brothers. We do not know where they got this information. These historians have not provided primary resources that we may inspect. We respected this claim but we realized that none of the present genealogists have seen or have any knowledge of a primary source to support this claim. Neither do we have any primary source to disprove this claim so we needed to proceed in our research as if it was possible that they were brothers, but also looking at data as if they were not brothers.
By looking at all the information that we have on these two men we were able to see that by separating our search into two directions we were able to use what we know about each one to identify their possible and probable parents.
Some of the information that we had of these two men was the same. They also had individual differences. The information that they share is first that they descend from the Lomellini family from Genoa with the patriarch, Vasallo Lumello from Meda Lumello (Vasallo was repeatedly named Consul of the Republic of Genoa). Another piece of information that they share is that they descend from the branch of the Lomellini that was heavily involved in businesses involving trade, shipping, and banking.

We researchers spent many years looking for the parents of these "brothers". We spent many years failing to find their parents. It wasn't until we brought up the possibility that they were not brothers that we could focus even more on the differences of Luis Lomellini and Carlo Lomellini, and there are differences.

Since most of us know that we descend from Carlo Lomellini the search shifted to his ancestors, putting aside Luis Lomelin for the time being.

The branch of the Lomellini family that was head and shoulders above the rest of the Lomellini family in trade, banking, and shipping descended from Napoleone Lomellini and Teodora di Giorgio di Negro. We have the direct line from Napoleone to Vasallo Lumello. From what we heard about them descending from a family involved in trade, shipping and banking it was logical to begin our search with Napoleone's descendant, Marco Lomellini, since he was a powerful businessman with many connections to the separate Lomellini branches. Through him we were able to connect with many of these branches.
Napoleone Lomellini makes it easier for us genealogists by placing conditions in his testament and will that insist on his directives be followed for many generations. Napoleone insisted that the consequence for not following his directives would be forfeiture of his inheritance. The person next in line in the genealogical table would then inherit and become executor. Actually three executors were named in the directives with two out of three making the decisions. Some decisions were not left open to interpretation by the executors. These decisions were made by Napoleone Lomellini. He placed some property in a trust that was to be shared by family members and never to be sold. He also left some assets to be used to help those in need. He left many assets to his children with specific directives to be followed. One of these directives involved keeping track of his descendants. This directive has contributed mightily to our research.

The Lomellini family testaments, wills, business contracts, genealogic family trees have great resources that I have mined looking for golden nuggets.

Looking through Napoleone Lomellini's descendants, Carlo Lomellini son of Vincenzo Lomellini and Porzia stands out as a candidate to be our Carlo Lomellini. Lots of little details brought together help reinforce making him a prime candidate as our Carlo Lomellini. Three of these details I will go into here.
1.) The persistent rumor of a BIG trading family, This detail is a given as he descends from Napoleone Lomellini. This family had palaces that still exist today and have been converted to Luxurious hotels.
2.) That Carlos family had something to do with slavery. Porzia was Vincenzo Lomellini's slave before he married her. We have this documentation, even the date that she baptized converting from a Muslim to Christianity where it states that she is Vincenzo's slave. In later records she is identified as first slave, then wife.
3.) That as he was identified in a primary source provided be Steven Hernendez, that he was originally from " de reinos de Castilla y Genova" just like our probable Carlo Lomellini and his family identified themselves, from two city-states. The two city states were allied during the time that we believe Carlo Lomellini was born.

As other little details are collected they seem to support this claim that they are one and the same. Yet we must remember in the back of our minds that many highly respected historians and genealogists claimed that they were brothers. Those of us that have benefited greatly from the immense works of of genealogists like Dr. Rito Romo Franco, Mariano Gonzalez Leal, Jaime Holcombe and Guillermo Teresa de Tovar tread carefully when discussing little mistakes in their voluminous work.

Next, we add Luis Lomelin to our discussion. Luis Lomellini ran in more of an elite aristocratic circle than Carlo did. Though Carlo was educated and showed some success in in his business endeavors, Carlo was more of lower upper class compared to Luis Lomellini who married one his daughters to the elite upper class, the Villasenor Orosco family.
If we are to consider that maybe Carlos, who had an elite upper class father, Vincenzo and a mother, Porzia, from the lowest of the low classes would find it advantageous to come to the new world to enjoy the benefits of the status of the well known Lomellini family while also not disclosing that his mother was from the opposite end of the social classes. He would probably just name his father Vincenzo Lomellini and not his mother. If Carlo did this and our Luis Lomellini is Luciano Lomellini Spinoza(1), Carlo's 4th cousin maybe people came to be believe they were brothers because Luciano Lomellini Spinoza also had a father with a similar name as did Carlo, Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini. This Luis descended from the elite upper aristocratic class from both parents, not just one like Carlo. This Luis would feel very comfortable associating with the Villasenor Orosco families which our Luis did. His daughters married well. This does not seem to be a stroke of luck. The circumstances dictate that Luis himself must have run in pretty high circles. This Luciano Lomellinis family and Carlo Lomellinis family did have connections through other close family members, along with connections to Marco Lomellinis family who took after his great grandfather Napoleone Lomellini.

After putting this scenario together after so many years of work I fell that we had come up with two great candidates for Carlo and Luis Lomellini.

We are still haunted by the past assumption by historians and genealogist that they were brothers. Does this explanation that both Carlo and Luciano Lomellini have a father named Vincenzo Lomellini satisfactorily explain why historians and genealogists thought they were were brothers. I have a very extensive collection of genealogical data that most likely contains all possible Carlo and Luis Lomellini. Up until yesterday, I had not found any Luis and Carlo Lomellini brothers near the correct time frame. After investigating this possibility more thoroughly, I originally thought thatThe only Carlo and Luciano Lomellini siblings that I have found are born too late by many decades. Their siblings records helped date them. At least this is what I thought after looking at the dates provided. Many months later, and more investigations, it seems that the dates provided were not birth dates and that there is a possibility that Carlos and Luis Lomelin were brothers after all.

It is not as solid a conclusion for Luciano Lomellini. There are many Luciano Lomellini that need to be investigated. There were many Carlo Lomellini but after much research, I could eliminate them one by one until there were only two possible candidates. I will do the same with the Luciano Lomellini, eliminating one by one those that could not possibly be Luis Lomelin. This will be more difficult as we have less information on Luis Lomelin than we did on Carlo Lomelin. What we should take into account with Luis Lomelin is why did the historians think that they were brothers. Taking this identification into question seems to narrow the field but also includes Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) because even though they are not brothers, the fact that Carlo Lomellini (son of Porzia) and him share a father that has Vincenzo in their name. I call the father of Luciano Lomellini Spinolai(1) Paolo Vincenzo Lomellini and Carlo Lomellinis father only Vincenzo Lomellini because he was mostly known as Vincenzo and I saw only one record that also added "Paolo".

Taking into account all the information that we have presented so far, I see only two possible candidates for our Carlo Lomellini, and many possible candidates for Luciano Lomellini, though I believe that Luis Lomeli is either Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) or Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2). We cannot discount the pair that are brothers yet.

If Carlo and Luis Lomeli of Mexico are brothers than they have to be Carlo Lomellini (2) and Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2)
They are the sons of Giacomo Lomellini and Paola Spinola
Girolamo Lomellini is the son of Giovanni Battista Lomellini and Lucia
Giovanni Battista is the son of Giacomo Lomellini and n. Crivella Della Spezia
Giacomo is the son of Domenico Lomellini and Bastiana de Saulo
Domenico is the son of Oronasio Lomellini and Peretta Vivaldi
Oronasio is the son of Damiano Lomellini and Battina Squarciafico
Damiano is the son of Onofrio Lomellini jr. and Romanella de Marini
Onofrio is the son of Onofrio Lomellini (Lumbello) Sr, and Luchina Pansano
Onofrio Sr. Is the son of Lodisio de Lumbello and his second wife Catarina Barbavari
Lodisio is the son of Riccardo de Lumbello + Catarina
Riccardo is the son of Oberto de Lumbello + Angela
Oberto is the son of Ansaldo da Lumello
Ansaldo is the son of Vasallo da Lumello

It comes down to only two possible Carlo Lomellinis for our Carlo Lomelin. Carlo Lomellini(1) was probably born c.1570, Carlo Lomellini(2) we don not have a specific birth date, only that the documents that name his siblings and his nephews and nieces place him as being alive in the early 1600's. Carlo is the youngest in his family. Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2)is the oldest in this family. I had originally ruled these brothers out, but went back for a second look. I ruled them out but went back again. All the document dates given do not specify what the dates mean. After researching Battilanas book, I have come to the conclusion that they may fit in the time frame based on what I have on Carlo and Luis Lomeli . This Carlo would actually fit better with the later 1584 birthdate. This Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2) would be closer to the 1570 date as I would pu him as about 10 to 15 years older than his younger brother Carlo, the tenth in this family. There is no story of slavery to go with this Carlo Lomellini(2). These Lomellini brothers do not come from the richer Lomellini branches so this Luciano Lomeli Spinola (2) would of had to become rich on his own and not through inheritance. I have also not found any business contracts involving this Luciano Lomellini Spinola (2) to explain him becoming rich and our Luis Lomeli from Mexico was extremely wealthy.
Wealth wise Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) fits the bill as he descends from the wealthiest branch, the descendants of Napoleone Lomellini, as does Carlo Lomelini(1) even though Carlo also descends from the wealthier branch, his fathers choice of wife must have rubbed his family the wrong way and he would likely not have inherited as much money. Luciano Lomellini Spinola(1) and Carlo Lomellini (1) (son of Porzia) descend from Napoleone Lomellini so their grandparents lived in the Lomellini Palaces. Marco Lomellini is from a time much later than Napoleone, about 150 years later when he seems to be the wealthiest of all the Lomellini.
R A Ricci
This information is from my Book with a working title "mygenes2000". I have a copyright based on what I have written already but have not published it as I am editing it and proof reading the contents. Any information used from should reference me, the author. I am required to add this statement to stop anyone from later claiming that I took their material without referencing them. Titles cannot be copyrighted and I have not decided on one but needed a working title to submit my chapters for the copyright. I have called my work mygenes2000 in reference to my symbolic and biological contributions to my family tree. My only daughter was born in 2000.

The Lomellini family, due to its high social class, business matters, education, and family traditions, left a vast amount of documents that record their lives and family connections.
The clues that I started off with were clues that seemed to revolve around Marco Lomellini who was a businessman who moved back and forth between Genoa and Spain. His descendants also moved back and forth. Marco had a lot of contact with Lomellini s from Genoa to Portugal. Gian Baptista Lomellini (aka Battista Leomelin), Bartolome Lomellini, Cosme Lomellini, and Baptista Lomellini were the Lomellini that left many descendants in Portugal that today use the surname Lomelino. As usual there was intermarrying of cousins between Marcos descendants and other lomellinis. There were three Battista Lomellini s living at the same time in Madiera, Portugal A daughter of Marcos married a cousin surnamed Lomellini so I had believed that the line could have come from his daughter. This sent me looking into all the Lomellini lines connected to Marco.

I found many Carlo lomellinis, most died at a young age. I found two Carlo Lomellini that lived at the same time as our Carlo Lomellini
The first Carlo Lomellini candidate did not go to New Spain, and therefore, could not possibly be our Carlos Lomellini . This Carlo Lomellini was a knight of the order of St. John Malta. He was the son of Bonifacio de Lumbello and Nicoletta Marini.

The second Carlo Lomellini that was born at the same time as our Carlo Lomellini that I have identified as a possible candidate has a genealogy that goes to the 4th century. It was well known that his ancestor, Vasallo Lumello, was illegitimate but his father is identified. Vasallo's mother is the one that is not recorded, at least in my documents. This possible Carlo Lomellini is not a descendant of Marco Lomellini but Marco was the thread that led me to finding Carlo.who was born in the 1570's to early 1580's( before 1586) Carlo is a close relative of Marco Lomellini. Many people looking for our Carlos lomellini's parents mention that their family history includes stories about their ancestor being involved in the Slave trade. If this possible Carlo is the right one that we are looking for, than everyone is in for a surprise because his mother, Porzia, is the slave of his father, Vincenzo Lomellini. A record distinctly names her as HIS slave when she is baptized on 5/April/1551 (she had been raised Muslim).[musulmana convertida al cristianesimo] Carlo Lomellini 's mother is considered to be from a low social class. Carlo Lomellini 's father comes from the highest social class.

Genoa occupied the island of Tabarka near where the Lomellini had a grant of the coral fishing from the Ottoman Turks. There was a strong jewish presence on the island along with the Muslims. It was not uncommon for the upper classes To take some of these inhabitants to Italy as slaves. When the word slave is mentioned, many people have images of slaves being whipped every day to do hard labor and although this did occur it was not common practice in Italy in the 16th century. The Italian high upper class would take slaves to be their house servants and not hard labor. Their work load and living conditions were comparable to other peasants of that time, in some cases better. Both peasants and slaves had it tough.

Moving to New Spain would have been advantageous to Carlo Lomellini where he would still carry the status of his family name and also be able to be quiet about his mothers pre-marriage social standing. Another record does say that although she was originally a slave, Vincenzo Lomellini married her. Vincenzo Lomellini(aka Lomellino) is the son of Giacomo Lomellini (b abt 1484 son of Tobia Lomellini and his second wife Giorgietta Gentile) Tobia is the son of Giacomo Lomellini Lomellini and Battina Grillo. This Giacomo is the son of distant cousins Tobia Lomellini and Franca(Francesca)Lomellini ( see next paragraph for her Lomellini line to Vasallo) Tobia is the son of Tobia Lumbello and Orietta. Tobia is the son of bennedetto Lumbello and Gioffredina Benedetto is the son of Ansaldo Lumbello and his second wife Francisca de Gualtieri. Ansaldo is the son of Oberto Lumbello and Angela. Oberto is the son of Simone Lumbello and Giulia. Simone is the son of Ansaldo Lumello. Ansaldo is the son of Vassallo da lumello, consul of Genoa.

Getting back to the wife of Tobia Lomellini, Franca (Francesca) Lomellini (Lumellino), daughter of Nicolo Lomellini (Lumbello)and Luchina Lercari Nicolo is the son of a Napoleone Lumbello (Lomellini) and Teodora di Giorgio di Negro, Napoleone is the son of Leonello Lumbello (Lomellini) and Caterina. Leonello is the son of Pietrino Lomellini (Lummello) and Tomasina. Pietrino is the son of Simone Lumbello and Giulia Simone is the son of Ansaldo Lumello the son of Vassallo da Lumello, consul of genoa.

There are two Franca Lomellinis with a father named Nicolo Lomellini. These are are not the same people and are distant cousins.

Napoleone and Teodora di Giorgio di Negro have a son named Carlo Lomellini that is signore de Ventimiglia, command. de la flotta genovese. He was born in the early 1400's and his marriage and children are well documented. This Carlo Lomellini passed away in 1435.

This Vassallo da Lumello is the ancestor to the Lomellini, Lumello, Lumbello, Lomellino, Lomelin, and Lomeli families. He descends from king hunno velphio bayern (born c. 385) king of the Suebi (Allamani) tribe of western Germany. The tribe called themselves Suebi but foreigners called them the Allamani tribe. Many genealogists and historians have Mistakenly referred to them as two tribes , or as the Allamani as a branch of the Suebi. A son of king Hunno became king of Bavaria. A descendant of king hunno went to Italy and his descendants became kings and princes of Lombardy.

One of these princes married Theodora, daughter of Leuthard II and Grimildis de Paris. Leuthard II was the son of Beggo de Paris and Adelheid ( aka Alpais, Alpaida, Adelaide). Adelheid is either daughter or granddaughter to Charlemagne. The world renowned genealogist Christian Settipani states that Adelheid is Charlemagnes daughter but some other genealogists (including Flotard from the 10th century) state that Adelheid is charlemagnes granddaughter through his son Louis le PiEux. There are 2 Adelheids(Alpais) The argument is which of these two Alpais does Theodora descend from. If you go by Charlemagne and his descendants traditional naming practice then Christian Settipani has the stronger argument. But Flotard wrote his genealogy in the tenth century and had access to primary sources.

Vasallo da Lumello descends from this Theodora, descendant of Charlemagne. This Theodora is nicknamed "daughter of Charlemagne" has been mistaken by many genealogists as actually being her daughter. I repeat, she is not his daughter, though she actually descends from him and is named after her aunt, Charlemagne's real daughter Theodora.
I can post this tree, generation by generation on another date.

This line is only important to nuestrosrancho members if this second Carlo Lomellini is the same person as our Carlos Lomellini in New Spain. if these two are one and the same there would be little documentation among the descendants as they would try to hide Porzias pre-marriage social class. The documents may name only Vincenzo Lomellini.
I recently found a document, just like I had predicted, of a daughter of P. Vincenzo [Paolo Vincenzo] Lomellini and Porzia, naming only her father and making no mention of her mother.
Another interesting fact about this possible Carlo Lomellini is that through his father, he is related to the Marini family who also left descendants in Nochistlan Zacatecas and Jalisco. More endogamy amongst the first families of Zacatecas and Jalisco in Spain before coming over and in new Spain.
I keep getting asked about my Lomellini research so I decided to share part of my work. Some of Carlo 's siblings have been named in the documents but they do not claim to list all of Vincenzo s children. I have not found Luis Lomellini listed as his sibling though this does not mean that he is not one. I did not know until about two years ago that I also descend from Luis Lomellini so I had focused most of my research looking for Carlo Lomellini. I am going to go back and reread all previous documents to see if I missed any information that would help track down Luis Lomellinis parents. I also have many unread documents.
Jaime Holcombe mentioned that Carlos and Luis Lomellini were brothers, but I do not have information on his sources. I would like access his source to look for more clues.

There are many documents that refer to the Lomellini family but my research is not complete, it is a work in progress in the unraveling of the family tree. I do not know when I will publish the book since I still have much to add to it. After all this research, I can understand some of the Italian that I read, and the more I read, the more I understand it. What I do not understand, my neighbor translates for me. He is Italian. My book will provide sources for my information . Much of my work comes from a treasure trove of Italian documents that were collected and kept in a family library. The Lomellini left many family records. they believed in genealogy. They left many legal documents such as wills and business applications and transactions. There are many books in public libraries, and on the internet that will validate my research.
R. A. Ricci