I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.
My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.
I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.
Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras.
Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.
The benefits of sharing
Yes, Eduardo, we often receive more than we give. I am so grateful to those on Nuestros Ranchos and Ancestry and Rootsweb for all their help and sharing. I cannot understand those who won't share their family trees. Thankfully they are few. Their excuse is sometimes that they want to copyright their info for a book, but years go by, they don't complete their work, keep it hidden and when something happens to them, all that work is often left to relatives that could care less about genealogy, and all their documentation, etc gets tossed away.
A case in point is the work of Jaime Holcombe. He died in the middle of a book he was working on, and when I contacted his son in Mexico City, he told me that he would complete the book his father had in progress, but that the bulk of his father's work was moldering in a storage room in his mother's house. He admitted to me that he and his siblings did not share their father's interest in genealogy. I think Jaime Holbrooke did share some of his information with those who were interested and they in turn shared it, but the bulk of it is lost to the worms. Jaime's son, also Jaime, is very busy in his career, and he has not gotten back in touch with me or anyone else as far as I know. What a loss.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Eduardo H Seoane
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 11:53 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing
I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.
My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.
I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way.
Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras.
Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.
The benefits of sharing
Ah That would be Mole or pipian.. : )
Robert
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Joseph Puentes wrote:
From: Joseph Puentes
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:08 AM
Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have world peace.
. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!
Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,
joseph
ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy that I have failed to upload.
pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes Genealogy)
Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's, “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you share the information that someone needs that extends your line back another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a few things I have picked up along the way. Some of you might or might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos también” eran sus palabras. Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.” Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da recibe mucho más de lo
que ellos dieron. No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The benefits of sharing
Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think
deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that
boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing
the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we
stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have
world peace.
. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do
look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and
seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you
need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me
directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org If you all want a good example
of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich
Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!
Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,
joseph
ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy
that I have failed to upload.
pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she
said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin
seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?
======================
Joseph Puentes
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.com (Environmental Podcast)
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com (Blog for above)
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com (Women's Peace Podcast)
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com (Latin American History Podcast)
http://nuestrosranchos.org (Jalisco, Zacatecas, and Aguascalientes
Genealogy)
Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people
> that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he
> responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him
> anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot
> of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that
> they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos
> también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's,
> “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what
> you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out
> there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you
> share the information that someone needs that extends your line back
> another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the
> giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business
> of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a
> lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting
> them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will
> continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a
> few things I have picked up along the way. Some of you might or
> might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de
> personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su
> genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar
> porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho
> dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que
> no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos
> también” eran sus palabras.
> Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.”
> Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo
> entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para
> todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un
> poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien
> necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez
> generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da
> recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
> No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el
> negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno
> llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste
> asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este
> grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y
> compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que
> siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Sharing Genealogical Information
I must comment on this subject. This is for the persons who are recipients of genealogical information. Most researchers have spent years compiling their work and this is an immense amount of time and money, plus the added effort of organizing family groups and sometimes double-checking with multiple source. We all realize this fact. I feel if you are a recipient of this goodwill, it would be unprofessional not to mention the researcher, if you intend to use their information in a book, a website, or oral or written presentation to families. This is whether for profit or not. Even if you go back to verify the work, that person who originally gave you the dates and leads should be mentioned in full name and their contribution, as they had made your work so much easier. Do the rest of you agree about this issue?
I have a cousin, who has worked on one of my family lines since 1967. Some of my fellow genealogically interested relatives find him hard to get along with, but mainly because he seems belligerent to them. I think just over the years, he has had his work taken, used, but never had been given the credit for it. He is not so with me, as I have probably done something that none of the others have done. He is not computer oriented. He uses the Internet, but finds it difficult. Whenever I make a find, I send him the information, via email and also via snail mail so he has copies and sources. In essence, I share new things, things he has not found yet and some things he has looked to find for years. If I get to a point in my life where I am able to compile this work into a book, I will certainly give credit to him, my sister before me, and my three new-found cousins who have all shared our family histories.
All I can say is, give credit where credit is due!
How does everyone else feel about this?
Maureen
Sharing Genealogical Information
I agree with you Maureen, about how grateful people who have shared info are to see me give them credit in the family history booklets I send out. I am getting ready to update a couple of these booklets, and I have many more people to credit for family trees, photos, family history.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Maureen Bejar
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:13 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Sharing Genealogical Information
I must comment on this subject. This is for the persons who are recipients of genealogical information. Most researchers have spent years compiling their work and this is an immense amount of time and money, plus the added effort of organizing family groups and sometimes double-checking with multiple source. We all realize this fact. I feel if you are a recipient of this goodwill, it would be unprofessional not to mention the researcher, if you intend to use their information in a book, a website, or oral or written presentation to families. This is whether for profit or not. Even if you go back to verify the work, that person who originally gave you the dates and leads should be mentioned in full name and their contribution, as they had made your work so much easier. Do the rest of you agree about this issue?
I have a cousin, who has worked on one of my family lines since 1967. Some of my fellow genealogically interested relatives find him hard to get along with, but mainly because he seems belligerent to them. I think just over the years, he has had his work taken, used, but never had been given the credit for it. He is not so with me, as I have probably done something that none of the others have done. He is not computer oriented. He uses the Internet, but finds it difficult. Whenever I make a find, I send him the information, via email and also via snail mail so he has copies and sources. In essence, I share new things, things he has not found yet and some things he has looked to find for years. If I get to a point in my life where I am able to compile this work into a book, I will certainly give credit to him, my sister before me, and my three new-found cousins who have all shared our family histories.
All I can say is, give credit where credit is due!
How does everyone else feel about this?
Maureen
The benefits of sharing
Yes, Joseph, I too need to add some lines I have done since I last had you upload them for me.
Also, about that recipe using pumpkin seeds as a base, here is one using red chile.
http://www.inmamaskitchen.com/RECIPES/RECIPES/mexican_food_cooking/chic…
They also make a green chile sauce using tomatillos and pumpkin seeds. However, most of us use these sauces to pour over slices of roasted turkey, chicken or shrimp or enchiladas. Being a vegetarian, you might just pour it over corn tortillas filled with veggies (can you have cheese and eggs?). It is delicious. My mother used to save the seeds from our jack-o-lanterns after Halloween and she would wash them off and dry them and toast them for eating out of hand or in sauces.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Puentes
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The benefits of sharing
Eduardo I fully support what you have said and want everyone to think
deeply on these words of wisdom. I also strongly believe in that
boomerang effect of what goes around comes around and radically changing
the topic that is why I don't think there will ever be peace until we
stop killing 50 billion animals world wide yearly and expecting to have
world peace.
. . .but I have shifted away from Eduardo's encouragement. Please do If you all want a good example
look at those various genealogical lines that you have not shared and
seriously consider updating your folders with new information. If you
need help in submitting new information to your folder please contact me
directly at: joseph@nuestrosranchos.org
of exactly what Eduardo is encouraging have a look at Kitty and Rich
Cortez' folder and you see the selfless work of a sharing genealogist!
Thank you Eduardo for this wonderful advice,
joseph
ps: I'm going to make an effort to upload a few lines of my genealogy
that I have failed to upload.
pps: I was having dinner last night with a vegetarian friend and she
said that in the Yucutan there are special recipes that uses pumpkin
seeds as a base. does anyone know of such recipes?
======================
Joseph Puentes (Vegan Environmental Solutions Podcast)
NoMeat@h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.com/vsse.html
http://h2opodcast.com
http://h2opodcast.blogspot.com
http://PleaseListenToYourMom.com
http://NuestraFamiliaUnida.com
http://nuestrosranchos.org
Genealogy)
Eduardo H Seoane wrote:
>
> I was present when someone, (an instructor) told a group of people
> that a family member had asked him for a copy of his genealogy and he
> responded by telling his relative that he was not going to give him
> anything because he had worked hard and had spent many years and a lot
> of money compiling his genealogy. This individual told the group that
> they should not share their genealogy either, "que les cueste a ellos
> también" were his words.
> My lovely wife always reminds me of “the boomerang effect.” She say's,
> “what goes around comes around.” Basically, as I understand it, what
> you give is what you get. So for all you who are holding back out
> there, you might want to share a little because, who knows, maybe you
> share the information that someone needs that extends your line back
> another ten generations. It is intresting how that works, often the
> giver receives a lot more than they gave.
> I do not think we, as a genealogical group, should be in the business
> of expecting something, before we share our information. One gets a
> lot further in life when they have a group, like this one assisting
> them on their quest to find their family. I hope this group will
> continue to be a place where I can come and gain knowledge and share a
> few things I have picked up along the way. Some of you might or
> might not share my opinion, so feel free to comment.
>
>
> Estaba presente cuando alguien, (un instructor) le dijo a un grupo de
> personas que un miembro de su familia le había pedido una copia de su
> genealogía y él le respondió a su pariente que no se la iba a dar
> porque él había trabajado duro y por muchos años, gastado mucho
> dinero, compilando su genealogía. Este individuo le dijo al grupo que
> no compartieran su genealogía tampoco, “que les cueste a ellos
> también” eran sus palabras.
> Mi esposa encantadora siempre me recuerda de “el efecto bumerang.”
> Ella dice, “lo qué va, viene de regreso.” Básicamente, como yo lo
> entiendo, lo qué usted da es lo que usted consigue. Así es que, para
> todos ustedes que se están aguantando, a lo mejor quieran compartir un
> poco, porque quien sabe, quizás compartes la información que alguien
> necesita para extender la línea de el y la suya, otras diez
> generaciones. Es interesante cómo eso funciona, a menudo el que da
> recibe mucho más de lo que ellos dieron.
> No pienso que nosotros, como grupo genealógico, debemos estar en el
> negocio de esperar algo antes de compartir nuestra información. Uno
> llega mucho más lejos en la vida cuando tiene un grupo, como éste
> asistiendo en la búsqueda para encontrar a su familia. Espero que este
> grupo continúe siendo un lugar en donde pueda obtener conocimiento y
> compartir algunas cosas que he aprendido.
> Algunos de ustedes a lo mejor no comparten mi opinión, así que
> siéntanse libres en comentar.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
The benefits of sharing
Yes, I agree with you. Promoting and sharing family tree is a task that comes along with the effort every one makes, genealogical researchers like us.
When ever I go to my HFC here in Tijuana I take a taxi cab to drive me there and enjoy sharing with the driver what am I going to do there.
Every one seems interested at least in the theme so I recomend always to do the research or at least to write down in a very special notebook what they know about their ancestors and contemporary relatives for their descendants to know what we have to research nowadays.
Also, I have been sharing in word office system with distant relatives, people that I have never met in person, people that I found while navigating the web, I feel like a hunter. Like when I look into flickr I had find relatives through.
Thank you for pointing out this fact.
Greetings from Leticia Leon
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