I am sorry for the confusion
Juan Manuel casillas and Juana Maria Valdivia are the parents of jose thomas casillas
jose antonio salgado and Ma de san Joseph de la paz are the parents of maria gertrudis Salgado
Jose thomas Casillas and maria gertrudis salgado are the parents of jose maria casillas
Also i have discovered that I am related to steve hernandez throughDomingo hernandez gamino illegitimate daughter Catalina hernandez who was married to Francisco Velasquez with descendency in tepatitlan and the valle de gpe. I did not know of this relationship before because I thought that I descended from a second wife but further investigation reveals that I most likely descend from the first wife of juan climaco suazo, Phelicana Belasquez who descends from catalina Hernandez. I need to verify and will do so by pulling marriage record.
Steven hernandez Lopez is related to my mother in law often.
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From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Miggy GUTIERREZ
Sent: Mon 3/2/2009 8:24 AM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] genealogy errors-Confused
Rick, I'm confused, you mentioned the parents of Jose Maria Casillas Salgado as Jose Thomas Casillas and Juana Maria Valdivia yet Ricardo has the mother as Maria Gertrudis Salgado??
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From: Ricci, Richard
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] genealogy errors
That is correct. most genealogy books have the jose maria Casillas married to lugarda villalpando from ayo el chico/arandas as the parents. both couples married in 1788.Even you had that info until I told you that I speculated that it was wrong based on the info I had but that I did not have proof. I have that proof now. the other Jose maria casillas was the son of Jose de san Ramon Casillas and Magdalena Gonzalez Hermosillo
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From: general-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat 2/28/2009 8:04 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] genealogy errors
Hi tocayo, can you please tell us what these two dates are so we can compare
our notes with yours? I have Jose Thomas Casillas and Maria Gertrudis
Salgado as Jose Maria Casillas Salgado's parents, and Salvador de
Villalpando and Josefa Margarita Muñoz de la Barba as Maria Lugarda's
parents (film # 279298). I have Jose Maria and Maria Lugarda's marriage date
as May 7, 1788 in Jalos, they were both from Catachimé, close to Cañadas de
Obregón.
Thanks
Rick
Finding the correct Jose Maria Casillas and Lugarda Villalpando
Mariano Gonzalez Leal states in his book that Jose Maria Casillas and Lugarda Villalpando are the pair that was married in Jalostotitlan, Jalisco. The source he gave was my great uncle, my tio Rito Romo Franco. My Tio Rito Romo Franco kept meticulous records. When I was a child, through my early twenties, I often went on family visits with my Tio Rito where he would explain how the person we were visiting was related to us. Even though my Tio Rito Romo Franco took great notes and Mariano says he used this information to identify the parents of Francisco Casillas as the Jose Maria Casillas and Lugarda Villalpando married in Jalostotitlan, some of the people that my uncle identified as being closely related to me through my father's side are not related closely if these are truly the parents of Francisco Casillas Villapando. Or so I thought.
My Tio Rito Romo Franco identified these people as close relatives but I had believed this to be true only if Francisco Casillas Vallalpandos parents are Jose Maria Casillas Cabrera y Salgado and Lugarda Villalpando y Munoz de la Barba. I had completed the majority of my family tree for many generations so I felt that My Tio Rito Romo Franco was wrong one way or the other and thatThe close relationship to me is through one of my paternalgreat grandfathers to these Villalpando Munoz de la Barba.
The Jose Maria Villapando Salgado and and Lugarda Villalpando Munoz de la Barba that I had as Francisco Casillas Villapandos parents were married about the same time but in Tepatitlan Jalisco. My Tio Ritos wife, Maria de Jesus Barba Padilla is related to this Lugarda Villalpando
Most genealogists still follow Mariano's statement that the parents of Francisco Casillas Villalpando is the couple married in Jalostotitlan. since his reason for making this statement was my uncles records I felt that they were mistaken since I had repeatedly been told by my maternal uncle that these people were related to me through my father. From looking at my records i felt that Mariano and my uncle were wrong. But a couple of years ago, thanks to the dispenses brought to life by Claudia Casillas, I had stumbled on the dispensa on a De La Torre branch of my tree. It is by revisiting Jose Maria Casillas family tree and comparing it to this newly found dela torre branch that I finally found how my great great grandfather was related to this other Jose Maria Casillas and that my Tio Rito's identification of Jose Maria Casillas and Lugarda Villalpando was correct all along.