Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote, which I am sure most of you will appreciate.
My grandfather visited us this week; he lives in norther California, we live in Southern California. Basically, I started my research after his visit last summer, when I interviewed him on his family history. It had been a year since I last saw him and had not shared any of my genealogical research because I wanted to share the details with him in person.
I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct relatives from Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless! It was pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his aunts' and uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all!
He was also very surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with some of the other families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he never knew he descended from such-and-such (surname), as there are many residents in Moyahua with such-and-such surname and most certainly his relatives!
He laughed, cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might have been in his prime. A side of him that I had never seen.
Let us not forget our elders and to those of us who are fortunate enough to still have them with us - let us spend as much time as we possibly can with them.
Buenas noches.
The value of our work
Es muy bella tu historia, Claudia. Al leerla recuerdo cuánto quisiera yo poder hacer mil preguntas a mis abuelos, que lamentablemente nunca les hice antes de que se fueran para siempre. No sabes qué gusto me da que tú aún cuentes con tu abuelo. Disfrútalo plenamente por todo el tiempo que te sea posible.
Tu historia también me lleva a una reflexión: tu abuelo pudo experimentar tantas emociones porque para él lo que tú le mostrarte son recuerdos palpitantes de personas vivas y actuantes en su circunstancia; son historias y anécdotas de seres humanos con rostro y personalidad. En cambio, a medida que más retrocedemos en el pasado en nuestras investigaciones, lo que encontramos son nombres, fechas y acontecimientos sin rostro y sin semblanza.
Te felicito una vez más.
Víctor Manuel Ortiz M.
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"... son historias y anécdotas de seres humanos con rostro y personalidad. En cambio, a medida que más retrocedemos en el pasado en nuestras investigaciones, lo que encontramos son nombres, fechas y acontecimientos sin rostro y sin semblanza. "
Hola Victor Manuel,
Tienes razon. Aparte de Libros de Bautismo, Matrimonios y Entierros - puros nombres y fechas - uno debe trabajar junto con Historiadores Locales, si es en tiempo de la revolución tambien hay que buscar en los archivos militares, en protocolos/nominas de las haciendas en donde trabajaron o en archivos de minas etc. Lo importante es que uno esté incorperando en su historia familiar la historia regional. Es la sal y pimienta como oí decir en México. A veces uno encuentra tesis o disertaciones sobre un tema relacionado.
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Claudia,
I, too, had the privelege of talking with my father about his years in
Jalostotitlan, his family, the stories, etc. I recorded him as he
shared many of his stories. When I showed him a copy of the family
tree dating back to the 1500's, he was overcome. He kept the tree in a
"safe" place so he could bring it out to share when a relative came
over. The greatest "find" however, was a copy of a border crossing in
Texas of his father when his father was only 17 years old. My dad
cried to see his dad's signature and that he had $20 on his person. My
dad was diagnosed in December with recurring bladder cancer and was
given 6 weeks to live. He died on January 18,2008 at the age of 81. I
am so grateful to my friend, Gloria, and my Tia Regina from Sacramento
for getting me started in this search of my family's ancestors. I just
hope I can get others involved in the research because it is very
time-consuming and I find I have less and less time.
As an aside, I want to thank all of you for sharing your research. I
have found many connections with the Gutierrez, Reynoso, Perez, Hurtado
de Mendoza, Hermosillo, etc. It is all fascinating to me.
Gracias,
Eloise Gomez Reyes
-----Original Message-----
From: Claudia_Reynoso
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:15 am
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The v
alue of our work...
Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote, which I am
sure most of you will appreciate.
My grandfather visited us this week; he lives in norther California, we
live in Southern California. Basically, I started my research after his
visit last summer, when I interviewed him on his family history. It had
been a year since I last saw him and had not shared any of my
genealogical research because I wanted to share the details with him in
person.
I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct relatives from
Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless! It was
pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his aunts'
and uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all!
He was also very surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with
some of the other families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he never
knew he descended from such-and-such (surname), as there are many
residents in Moyahua with such-and-such surname and most certainly his
relatives!
He laughed, cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might
have been in his prime. A side of him that I had never seen.
Let us not forget our elders and to those of us who are fortunate
enough to still have them with us - let us spend as much time as we
possibly can with them.
Buenas=2
0noches.
Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso
Hol Eloise ,how are you ? I hope well. How are you connected to the Gutierrez and Reynoso ?> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:15 am> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The v> alue of our work...> > > Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote, which I am > sure most of you will appreciate. > > My grandfather visited us this week; he lives in norther California, we > live in Southern California. Basically, I started my research after his > visit last summer, when I interviewed him on his family history. It had > been a year since I last saw him and had not shared any of my > genealogical research because I wanted to share the details with him in > person. > I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct relatives from > Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless! It was > pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his aunts' > and uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all! > He was also very surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with > some of the other families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he never > knew he descended from such-and-such (surname), as there are many > residents in Moyahua with such-and-such surname and most certainly his > relatives! > > He laughed, cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might > have been in his prime. A side of him that I had never seen. > > Let us not forget our elders and to those of us who are fortunate > enough to still have them with us - let us spend as much time as we > possibly can with them. > > Buenas=2> 0noches. > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List > > To post, send email to: > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > To change your subscription, log on to: > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
I too am connected to Gutierrez and Reynoso (plus more)
Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos de Jalisco> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:22:32 -0400> From: egreyes@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The value of our work...> > Claudia,> I, too, had the privelege of talking with my father about his years in > Jalostotitlan, his family, the stories, etc. I recorded him as he > shared many of his stories. When I showed him a copy of the family > tree dating back to the 1500's, he was overcome. He kept the tree in a > "safe" place so he could bring it out to share when a relative came > over. The greatest "find" however, was a copy of a border crossing in > Texas of his father when his father was only 17 years old. My dad > cried to see his dad's signature and that he had $20 on his person. My > dad was diagnosed in December with recurring bladder cancer and was > given 6 weeks to live. He died on January 18,2008 at the age of 81. I > am so grateful to my friend, Gloria, and my Tia Regina from Sacramento > for getting me started in this search of my family's ancestors. I just > hope I can get others involved in the research because it is very > time-consuming and I find I have less and less time.> > As an aside, I want to thank all of you for sharing your research. I > have found many connections with the Gutierrez, Reynoso, Perez, Hurtado > de Mendoza, Hermosillo, etc. It is all fascinating to me.> > Gracias,> Eloise Gomez Reyes> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Claudia_Reynoso
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Hola Primo Ronnie:
"Pariente de todos Los Altos de Jalisco", con mucha razón!
En el libro de la prefesora, Martha Duron Jimenez,: "Familias Endogámicas en
Saltillo y Los Altos de Jalisco" se encuentra lo siguiente:
" El otro esquema sería de la señora Maria del Refugio Jimenez Hermosillo y
en el veriamos las relaciones de parentesco y el matrimonio endogámico en
Los Altos de Jalisco, es representativo de cualquier familia alteña,
especialmente de Jalostotitlán. Se encuentran los ancestros de aquellos que
lleven los apellidos: Jimenez. Padilla, Gutierrez, Hermosillo, Romo de
Vivar, Martin del Campo, Gonzalez Rubio, Gonzalez Hermosillo, Gutiterrez
Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Lariz, Aceves, Muños de La Barba, Muños de Nava,
Alvarez Tostado,Perez Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes, Lomeli,
Ramirez Hermosillo, Macias Valdez, de La Torre, Perez Maldonado, Casillas
Cabrera,Lopez Ramirez, entre otros..".
Todos somos primos! Especialmente en el area de Jalos...
Que es la endogamia?
"La endogamia es un fenómeno social que se hace presente no solamente cuando
contraen matrimonio parientes que se casan entre sí, si no también cuando
los individuos de un mismo grupo social sin ninguna relación de parentesco
contraen matrimonio entre ellos."
John Gonzalez
Wildomar, CA.
Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso
This is totally true! My grandparents had always told me (nosotros los españoles evitamos a mezclarse con los indígenas) Which is obviously a bit racist! But we come from Europeans it the so called "moda" at the time. -Daniel
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Un Saludo, desde Jalostotitlán, Jal., escribe José María Vallejo Mercado, efectivamente en Jalostotitlán, Jal. así como toda la meseta de la region de los Altos de Jalisco, se llevo a cabo la endogamia muy profunda; este fenomeno de acentuo debido a que quisieron conservar sus (costumbres, raza, religión) muy caracteristica en esta región y es por ello que un investigador le dio en llamar a esta región como " un lunar blanco en el cuerpo moreno de México", ya que en el siglo XVIII, 4 de 5 partes de la población indigena murio, debido a las epidemias y enfermedades, ya que no tenian como controlarlas y porque en ese tiempo estaban prohibidos los matrimonios de diferente raza.
Posteriormente se empezo a mestizar un poco y esto dio como resultado que en algunas familias hubiera hijos ( unos blancos con ojos de color, otros morenos, y algunos sancochados ( esto es ni guaros ni morenos) aún siendo de los mismos padres.
Sin más de momento envio saludos.
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:13:39 -0700> From: 1gnzlz@verizon.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso> > Hola Primo Ronnie:> > "Pariente de todos Los Altos de Jalisco", con mucha razón!> > En el libro de la prefesora, Martha Duron Jimenez,: "Familias Endogámicas en > Saltillo y Los Altos de Jalisco" se encuentra lo siguiente:> > " El otro esquema sería de la señora Maria del Refugio Jimenez Hermosillo y > en el veriamos las relaciones de parentesco y el matrimonio endogámico en > Los Altos de Jalisco, es representativo de cualquier familia alteña, > especialmente de Jalostotitlán. Se encuentran los ancestros de aquellos que > lleven los apellidos: Jimenez. Padilla, Gutierrez, Hermosillo, Romo de > Vivar, Martin del Campo, Gonzalez Rubio, Gonzalez Hermosillo, Gutiterrez > Hermosillo, Gutierrez de Lariz, Aceves, Muños de La Barba, Muños de Nava, > Alvarez Tostado,Perez Franco, Perez de Paredes, Franco de Paredes, Lomeli, > Ramirez Hermosillo, Macias Valdez, de La Torre, Perez Maldonado, Casillas > Cabrera,Lopez Ramirez, entre otros..".> > Todos somos primos! Especialmente en el area de Jalos...> > Que es la endogamia?> > "La endogamia es un fenómeno social que se hace presente no solamente cuando > contraen matrimonio parientes que se casan entre sí, si no también cuando > los individuos de un mismo grupo social sin ninguna relación de parentesco > contraen matrimonio entre ellos."> > John Gonzalez> Wildomar, CA.> > > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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Hola Ronnie,
On my maternal grandfather's side is the Reynoso line. My
g-grandfather: Francisco Reynoso b: 1874 in Jalostotitlan; his parents:
Juan Reynoso b:Los Sauces, Jalos 1842, and Vicenta Sanchez b: 1846 in
Alavor de Avala; Juan Reynoso's parents: Jose Reynoso and Juana
Gutierrez. On my mother's maternal side, my g-grandfather was Jose
Norberto Gutierrez B 06 Jun 1876 in Cieneguita, Jalos, and Maria
Margarita Gutierrez b: 16 Oct 1889 in Tetillas, Jalos; Jose Norberto's
parents were Pedro Gutierrez (aka Pedro Gutierres Padilla) b:31 Jan
1851 in Jalos, and Maria Praxedis del Refugio Ramirez Gutierrez b:23
Jul 1848 in Cieneguita, Jalos. Pedro Gutierrez' father was Anacleto
Gutierrez b 1798 in La Labor, Jalos; his father was Dionicio Gutierrez
b; 1765 and mother was Gertrudes Casillas b: 1769. Dionicio's parents
were Jose Jacinto Gutierrez and Rosa de Hermosillo, etc.
For the ancestors on both my parents' sides, the majority are from
Jalostotitlan, Jalisco.
Eloise Gomez Reyes
-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Reynoso
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 7:17 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso
Hol Eloise ,how are you ? I hope well. How are you connected to the> To:
Gutierrez
and Reynoso ?
I too am connected to Gutierrez and Reynoso (plus more)
Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos de Jalisco> To:
general@nuestrosranchos.org>=2
0Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:22:32 -0400>
From:
egreyes@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The value of our
work...> >
Claudia,> I, too, had the privelege of talking with my father about his
years in
> Jalostotitlan, his family, the stories, etc. I recorded him as he >
shared
many of his stories. When I showed him a copy of the family > tree
dating back
to the 1500's, he was overcome. He kept the tree in a > "safe" place so
he could
bring it out to share when a relative came > over. The greatest "find"
however,
was a copy of a border crossing in > Texas of his father when his
father was
only 17 years old. My dad > cried to see his dad's signature and that
he had $20
on his person. My > dad was diagnosed in December with recurring
bladder cancer
and was > given 6 weeks to live. He died on January 18,2008 at the age
of 81. I
> am so grateful to my friend, Gloria, and my Tia Regina from
Sacramento > for
getting me started in this search of my family's ancestors. I just >
hope I can
get others involved in the research because it is very > time-consuming
and I
find I have less and less time.> > As an aside, I want to thank all of
you for
sharing your research. I > have found many connections with the
Gutierrez,
Reynoso, Perez, Hurtado > de Mendoza, Hermosillo, etc. It is all
fascinating to
me.> > Gracias,> Eloise Gomez Reyes> > > > > > ----
-Original
Message-----> From:
Claudia_Reynoso
general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org>
Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:15 am> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The v> alue
of our
work...> > > Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote,
which I am
> sure most of you will appreciate. > > My grandfather visited us this
week; he
lives in norther California, we > live in Southern California.
Basically, I
started my research after his > visit last summer, when I interviewed
him on his
family history. It had > been a year since I last saw him and had not
shared any
of my > genealogical research because I wanted to share the details
with him in
> person. > I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct
relatives
from > Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless!
It was >
pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his aunts'
> and
uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all! > He was also
very
surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with > some of the
other
families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he never > knew he
descended from
such-and-such (surname), as there are many > residents in Moyahua with
such-and-such surname and most certainly his > relatives! > > He
laughed,
cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might > have been
in his
prime. A side of him that
I had never seen. > > Let us not forget our
elders
and to those of us who are fortunate > enough to still have them with
us - let
us spend as much time as we > possibly can with them. > > Buenas=2>
0noches. >
Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso
Hola, mi nombre es José María Vallejo Mercado, al leer el correo senti curiosidad por los nombres que citas me parecen conocidos y como soy un aficionado a la genealogia, quisiera preguntarte si el Sr. FRancisco Reynoso Sánchez, casó con María Melquiades Vallejo Ornelas, fueron padres entre otros de Cristina casada con Sr. Seferino González, Reynaldo, casó Francisca Mercado Martín hija de José Refugio Mercado Gutiérrez, Valentin casó con Soledad Pérez González, padres del Dr. Valetnin Reynoso Pérez.
María Melquiades Vallejo, b 13 dec 1882, hija de J. Melquiades Vallejo (hijo de Ignacio Vallejo, originarios de la Azuela, descendientes de Lucas Vallejo, que nación en Valle de Amilpas, en 1688) e Hilaria Ornelas.
Esperando tu respuesta m epongo a tus ordenes, ya que conozco a las familias en referencia, tanto por Reynoso, Vallejo, Gutiérrez, que son descendientes este ultimo de FRancisco Gutiérrez Rubio, originario de El Aguila, Mpio. de Jalostotitlán, Jal. > From: chilerey@msn.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 19:17:36 -0700> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Atencion ELoise Gomez- Reynoso> > > Hol Eloise ,how are you ? I hope well. How are you connected to the Gutierrez and Reynoso ?> I too am connected to Gutierrez and Reynoso (plus more)> Ronnie Reynoso pariente a casi todos de Los Altos de Jalisco> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 19:22:32 -0400> From: egreyes@aol.com> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] The value of our work...> > Claudia,> I, too, had the privelege of talking with my father about his years in > Jalostotitlan, his family, the stories, etc. I recorded him as he > shared many of his stories. When I showed him a copy of the family > tree dating back to the 1500's, he was overcome. He kept the tree in a > "safe" place so he could bring it out to share when a relative came > over. The greatest "find" however, was a copy of a border crossing in > Texas of his father when his father was only 17 years old. My dad > cried to see his dad's signature and that he had $20 on his person. My > dad was diagnosed in December with recurring bladder cancer and was > given 6 weeks to live. He died on January 18,2008 at the age of 81. I > am so grateful to my friend, Gloria, and my Tia Regina from Sacramento > for getting me started in this search of my family's ancestors. I just > hope I can get others involved in the research because it is very > time-consuming and I find I have less and less time.> > As an aside, I want to thank all of you for sharing your research. I > have found many connections with the Gutierrez, Reynoso, Perez, Hurtado > de Mendoza, Hermosillo, etc. It is all fascinating to me.> > Gracias,> Eloise Gomez Reyes> > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: Claudia_Reynoso> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org> Sent: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 12:15 am> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] The v> alue of our work...> > > Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote, which I am > sure most of you will appreciate. > > My grandfather visited us this week; he lives in norther California, we > live in Southern California. Basically, I started my research after his > visit last summer, when I interviewed him on his family history. It had > been a year since I last saw him and had not shared any of my > genealogical research because I wanted to share the details with him in > person. > I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct relatives from > Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless! It was > pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his aunts' > and uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all! > He was also very surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with > some of the other families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he never > knew he descended from such-and-such (surname), as there are many > residents in Moyahua with such-and-such surname and most certainly his > relatives! > > He laughed, cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might > have been in his prime. A side of him that I had never seen. > > Let us not forget our elders and to those of us who are fortunate > enough to still have them with us - let us spend as much time as we > possibly can with them. > > Buenas=2> 0noches. > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- > Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List > > To post, send email to: > general(at)nuestrosranchos.org > > To change your subscription, log on to: > http://www.nuestrosranchos.org > > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org> _________________________________________________________________> Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-c…> -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --> Nuestros Ranchos General Mailing List> > To post, send email to:> general(at)nuestrosranchos.org> > To change your subscription, log on to:> http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
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What a wonderful anecdote! You are so blessed to have been able to
share with your grandfather. My father and all of my uncles are gone
now. All 4 of my tias are still alive but they don't really care. My
Tia Carmen is the one who I call frequently to ask questions of but
she gets tired of me asking, so I step back a little. But sometimes
she reacts like Claudia's grandfather--with delight and joy and more
information.
My Tia Aurora tells me about people but i have found that she is
"touchy" if I ask her who told her that or how does she know. Tia
Offie is very ill and has had a ministroke and my Tia Vera, the
youngest, suffers from dementia.
Let this be a lesson to all of us...SHARE your info with your
relatives even if they don't want to hear it!!!!!! Marge:)
On Sep 6, 2008, at 2:15 AM, Claudia_Reynoso wrote:
Hello all. I'd like to share a short personal anectdote, which I am
sure most of you will appreciate.
My grandfather visited us this week; he lives in norther California,
we live in Southern California. Basically, I started my research
after his visit last summer, when I interviewed him on his family
history. It had been a year since I last saw him and had not shared
any of my genealogical research because I wanted to share the details
with him in person.
I have amassed 250 years of documentation of his direct relatives from
Moyahua, Zacatecas. His reaction to my findings was priceless! It
was pure joy to see his face light up at the mention of some of his
aunts' and uncles' names that he had forgotten; he's 81 after all!
He was also very surprised that many of his ancestors had "mixed" with
some of the other families in Moyahua. Mostly because he said he
never knew he descended from such-and-such (surname), as there are
many residents in Moyahua with such-and-such surname and most
certainly his relatives!
He laughed, cried, and I literally imagined my grandfather as he might
have been in his prime. A side of him that I had never seen.
Let us not forget our elders and to those of us who are fortunate
enough to still have them with us - let us spend as much time as we
possibly can with them.
Buenas noches.
The value of our work...
Well said. You are so fortunate that you can share all your descoveries with
your grandfather. Unfortunately, I started into this about a year too late.
My father would have reacted just like your grandfather. It think of him
each time I make a new connection. He had no idea that his mothers
lineage,he would have been so proud.
-Angelina-