About Citing Sources and Areas where they are not cited, or turn out to be
incorrect:
I understand what you are saying, in regards to finding, and hearing others
say, about family history genealogies that turn out to be partially
incorrect, but they insist they are correct, because someone said it was
so. Or, the information cannot be taken off that site, even if it is wrong,
or whatever. Also, finding these on Family Search, family trees with no
sources cited, marriages and births posted on there in perpetuity that are
not verified as to where they got that information. And, I know for myself
certain info provided is completely incorrect, but have no way of contacting
whoever posted it.
Well, I know I have learned my own lessons about this, as I have taken up
the baton from my "dearly departed father" to carry on with our family
history research, to make it a firm habit, whether I don't feel like it or
what, to keep track of where I found each item as I go along. And, I'm
still learning. So, I know how hard this is, the aspect of being thorough,
keeping detailed records, etc. when I am looking through many, many sources
at any given time. There are times, too, when I was beginnning this, that I
just didn't know how thorough I needed to be until I had to reorder a
film or tear through the papers and books again for where the heck I found
that little information about a town or something. And, recalling when I
began, how I sent out to all my family my first family tree chart, that I
soon learned was full of incorrect information I believed was true, because
my mother told it to me! And, was I going back to tell everyone? No,
because my chart is always changing. Learning that Pioquinta Gonzalez was
not of royalty from Spain, but of humble birth in the Huichol region of
Jalisco, her own mother an Indian. And, too, Benigno Cabral was not from
Portugal, not a sea captain, but was born in Jalisco, also. That was a
valuable lesson learned. Do the research! Family stories are nice, but
researching it to prove them or disprove them is absolutely necessary. It's
all part of the journey and makes our books and memoirs we write someday
more colorful when we add them in as "stories I was told by Grandma."
So, yes, there are cheaters and crooks out there, even in this field, but I
follow a few simple rules: don't take it as fact unless there is proof to
back it up, do your own research, thoroughly, and cite your sources. But
understand this, is it ever perfect? Or, is there room for human error,
beginners just learning, and well-meaning but unprofessional family history
buffs?
This brings me to another point in regards to our posted genealogies on this
site, the ones we are asked to do to be a member in this group. Citing our
sources is not a requirement. These charts, lists, and family trees, some
presented in a very professional manner, I believed are merely to let others
in the group know what we have done so far and what our area of research
is. Also, they are to hopefully connect us with others who are researching
the same family. Does this make our information provided invalid, because
we do not cite our sources, and, even return to them to update them, change
them where we have found them to be incorrect or incomplete? Or, is
it presumably understood that these are, like I said, merely guides to our
area of research and that no one is planning on gleaning them for dates and
names to add to their own family trees?
I, for one, agree that it is imperative to keep track of and record our
sources as we go along. I can truly appreciate thoroughly researched gold
mines of family history information. But, I just wanted to point out that,
*sometimes*, it is understood that what is there may have never been
intended to be used as absolute fact, just a guide.
And, hey, I just wanted to put my two cents worth in. Or, is it more like a
quarter nowadays?
Corrine Ardoin
Still trucking here in Santa Maria, California reading the same microfilm
for five months now and I'm still not done. Anyone have Gonzalez in their
family tree?
Citing Sources
Hello everyone,
I completely agree with Corrine. Our research is never completely done and if we wait to verify every single lead before we post our information on this site then where would we be? I personally prefer to see this work in progress which could perhaps connect me to someone that is persuing the same line, than wait indefintely for a more complete works. Yes, there will be errors, but it is also an opportunity to fix those errors and refine our work.
-Angelina-
Citing Sources & Our Posted Genealogies
hello Corrine,
I recently found out that my great grand mother was not Gonzalez-Guerra but
González Guerra, their grand parents were Epifanio Gonzales and Maria
Antonia Guerra, Epifanio came from Lagos (as it says in the marriage record
of their son Salvador González Guerra nov 9th, 1870), that´s all information
I got in this branch.
I don´t remember exactly what microfilm do you have, but I saw that many
people on this site have ancesters from Lagos de Moreno, I thought perhaps
some one can help me please!.
Thanks in advance.
Patty Haro
Acabo de enterarme que mi bisabuela no era González-Guerra sino González
Guerra, sus abuelos eran Epifanio Gonzales y Maria Antonia Guerra,
Epifanio venia de Lagos (como dice en la partida matrimonial de su hijo
Salvador González Guerra del 9 de noviembre de 1870), esa es toda la
información que tengo de esta rama.
No recuerdo que microfilm tienes, pero he visto que muchas personas tienen
ancestros originarios de Lagos de Moreno Jalisco, a lo mejor si tu no tienes
información sobre el, alguien mas pueda ayudarme por favor, porque ahora si
estoy atorada en esta rama.
Muchas Gracias de antemano.
Patty Haro
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Corrine Ardoin wrote:
> About Citing Sources and Areas where they are not cited, or turn out to be
> incorrect:
>
> I understand what you are saying, in regards to finding, and hearing others
> say, about family history genealogies that turn out to be partially
> incorrect, but they insist they are correct, because someone said it was
> so. Or, the information cannot be taken off that site, even if it is
> wrong,
> or whatever. Also, finding these on Family Search, family trees with no
> sources cited, marriages and births posted on there in perpetuity that are
> not verified as to where they got that information. And, I know for myself
> certain info provided is completely incorrect, but have no way of
> contacting
> whoever posted it.
>
> Well, I know I have learned my own lessons about this, as I have taken up
> the baton from my "dearly departed father" to carry on with our family
> history research, to make it a firm habit, whether I don't feel like it or
> what, to keep track of where I found each item as I go along. And, I'm
> still learning. So, I know how hard this is, the aspect of being thorough,
> keeping detailed records, etc. when I am looking through many, many sources
> at any given time. There are times, too, when I was beginnning this, that
> I
> just didn't know how thorough I needed to be until I had to reorder a
> film or tear through the papers and books again for where the heck I found
> that little information about a town or something. And, recalling when I
> began, how I sent out to all my family my first family tree chart, that I
> soon learned was full of incorrect information I believed was true, because
> my mother told it to me! And, was I going back to tell everyone? No,
> because my chart is always changing. Learning that Pioquinta Gonzalez was
> not of royalty from Spain, but of humble birth in the Huichol region of
> Jalisco, her own mother an Indian. And, too, Benigno Cabral was not from
> Portugal, not a sea captain, but was born in Jalisco, also. That was a
> valuable lesson learned. Do the research! Family stories are nice, but
> researching it to prove them or disprove them is absolutely necessary.
> It's
> all part of the journey and makes our books and memoirs we write someday
> more colorful when we add them in as "stories I was told by Grandma."
>
> So, yes, there are cheaters and crooks out there, even in this field, but I
> follow a few simple rules: don't take it as fact unless there is proof to
> back it up, do your own research, thoroughly, and cite your sources. But
> understand this, is it ever perfect? Or, is there room for human error,
> beginners just learning, and well-meaning but unprofessional family history
> buffs?
>
> This brings me to another point in regards to our posted genealogies on
> this
> site, the ones we are asked to do to be a member in this group. Citing our
> sources is not a requirement. These charts, lists, and family trees, some
> presented in a very professional manner, I believed are merely to let
> others
> in the group know what we have done so far and what our area of research
> is. Also, they are to hopefully connect us with others who are researching
> the same family. Does this make our information provided invalid, because
> we do not cite our sources, and, even return to them to update them, change
> them where we have found them to be incorrect or incomplete? Or, is
> it presumably understood that these are, like I said, merely guides to our
> area of research and that no one is planning on gleaning them for dates and
> names to add to their own family trees?
>
> I, for one, agree that it is imperative to keep track of and record our
> sources as we go along. I can truly appreciate thoroughly researched gold
> mines of family history information. But, I just wanted to point out that,
> *sometimes*, it is understood that what is there may have never been
> intended to be used as absolute fact, just a guide.
>
> And, hey, I just wanted to put my two cents worth in. Or, is it more like
> a
> quarter nowadays?
>
> Corrine Ardoin
> Still trucking here in Santa Maria, California reading the same microfilm
> for five months now and I'm still not done. Anyone have Gonzalez in their
> family tree?
i have many Gonzalez
Hi Corrine,
I have a long line of Gonzalez's directly from my grandmother. They lived in Yahualica, Jalisco; registered there and before then--in Cuqio, Jalisco. The latest generation lived near Juchipila, Zacatecas before migrating to the US:
1930-1950
Gonzalez-Gamez
1890-1920
Gonzalez-Mercado
1870-1890
Gonzalez-Vasquez
1835-1860
Gonzalez-Lisarde (Elizalde)
1815-1825
Gonzalez-Ruiz
1780-1800
Gonzalez-Felix
c. 1760 (dead trail)
Gonzalez-Gomez
Let me know if you need additional info...or if you can provide same.
Good luck.
i have many Gonzalez
Hi Claudia,
Who is the Ruiz from Yahualica in your line? I have lots of Ruizs from
Yahualica in my data base.
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 3:14 PM, wrote:
> Hi Corrine,
>
> I have a long line of Gonzalez's directly from my grandmother. They lived
> in Yahualica, Jalisco; registered there and before then--in Cuqio, Jalisco.
> The latest generation lived near Juchipila, Zacatecas before migrating to
> the US:
>
> 1930-1950
> Gonzalez-Gamez
>
> 1890-1920
> Gonzalez-Mercado
>
> 1870-1890
> Gonzalez-Vasquez
>
> 1835-1860
> Gonzalez-Lisarde (Elizalde)
>
> 1815-1825
> Gonzalez-Ruiz
>
> 1780-1800
> Gonzalez-Felix
>
> c. 1760 (dead trail)
> Gonzalez-Gomez
>
> Let me know if you need additional info...or if you can provide same.
>
> Good luck.
>
>
>
Gonzalez
Hi Corrine:
I am "Gonzalez" which evolved from "Gonzalez de Hermosillo" from the
Jalostotitlán, Jalisco area. You can contact me directly at
1gnzlz@verizon.net
Thank you.
John Gonzalez.
Wildomar, CA.
> Corrine Ardoin
> Still trucking here in Santa Maria, California reading the same microfilm
> for five months now and I'm still not done. Anyone have Gonzalez in their
> family tree?
>