SoCal Meeting

Now I was just talking to Arturo yesterday about how tightly knit we
are and how since the inception of the group there had never been a
flame war. I don't want this to errupt into the first one. We have some
strong view points being expressed here and there is nothing wrong with
that. I'm just running interference and asking those of you that reply
to this thread to choose your words carefully and lets remember how
much we love each other. . .es verdad, que no?



From my brief time knowing John I don't believe he would claim
decendancy from just sharing a name. I myself claim decendancy from the
Robledo family that was in New Mexico I believe in 1598, but I haven't
actually done or confirmed the research myself. I'm leaning on the
integrity of a cousin/author in California that is much better versed
in the genealogy of that area. I'm sure that John has a stronger reason
to believe decendancy from Moctezuma based on a genealogical
investigation and not generalizations. Having said that I know for
myself that I have the strong need to eventually confirm those records
relating me to the Robledo family so I can have complete confidence and
without even asking him I believe John shares these same thoughts. If
there was only time for all we want to do.



How about we look into this matter over the next few months as time
allows and examine the reasons why certain ones claim decendancy and
others like myself can't claim it to any tribe and much less to any
individual. Let's take a controversial subject and use it toward the
advancement of our research and understanding of our heritage.



joseph







Emilie Garcia wrote:

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John, you don't need lessons in anything.  I was being facetious
when I said "I am sure we are all descended from -----", and I did not
say Cortes and his men married only Aztec royalty.  Also no one really
knows the real total of the pre-columbian population, and by the era of
our ancestors in our target area most had mixed blood. We now know they
married anybody and created, what was it--32 different racial
classifications?    It’s just that I am bemused when people from our
target area claim ancestry from the grand-children or
great-grand-children of one of the many Moctezumas, who were Aztecs and
not Zacatecan, Guachachile, Cazcane, Chichimeca, Huichoil, etc. and who
lived far from there and were killed so long before the settlement of
that area.  Just which Moctezumas and Corteses ended up there?  

 

I don't have to tell you how surnames evolved in Mexico;
sometimes we can't find someone because they used their maternal
surname or an adopted one for whatever reason.  My husband laughs
at those so ready to claim ancestry from the great Moctezuma or Cortes
because in many cases the Spaniards would just hang any name on someone
as a joke rather than let them keep their own native names, or people
would name themselves after someone of "import".  So many people are to
ready to think they are descended from an Indian Princess or
Conquistador.  I just cringe.  My husband has the names in his family
tree of people who were prominent in Spain.  Does he care if he is
really descended from the great Cervantes or the Duke of Alba? No. My
husband says, "el que no tiene nombre, Garcia se le pone".  That goes
for any name in Spain or Mexico. 

 

I know Moctezuma was not the father of all Mexico, so why should
someone boast about a name in their ancestry that has taken on mythical
proportions? He was a cruel pagan who got his just desserts with the
help of other natives who suffered under him.  He and Cortez were cruel
and ruthless.  The great ones are the nameless ones who persevered
under such harsh conditions.  My surnames are just a tool to lead me to
where I came from, the migrations, culture, etc.  I am glad they had
any surnames at all since so many did not. As for being a descendant of
an Indian Princess or Conquistador, I am not so ready to believe it
just because of a name. 

 

Emilie Garcia

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