In an earlier message, Patricia brought up the topic of nicknames, which in Spanish are known as "apodos." She asked whether such nicknames were common among Mexican people. My answer would be a resounding yes.

I was wondering if anyone can tell me if "del Refugio" or"de Jesus" etc are last names or middle names. For eg. Maria del Refugio Pena Lopez and Jose del Refugio Jimenez. I'm not sure then that I have Jose's mother's last name. The same thing with de Jesus. I have a Jose de Jesus Hernandez and a Maria de Jesus Hernandez. In this case, am I missing both their mothers' last names? or are they related?

On the subject of nicknames or apodos....

Gotta chime in. In my extended family we had several Franciscos. My
uncle was Tio Pancho, my cousin was Quico or Kiko, his son by the same
name was known as El Guero.--Probably to differentiate all of them. I

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Please unsubscribe me from your very busy list. Thank you.

Some of the nicknames are short hand for their ancient predecessors.

Such as Pepe, which is derived from the Italian/Latin predecessor of Jose, Guiseppe.

I read that there's a town in northern Potugal where the people still speak Latin.

This is great. It's the second time I find the same common line with two
different Ranchos members. The first time it was my Castañeda line from
Zacatecas and now the Delgadillos from Nochistlan.

I know that a while back there was a lot of talk about being able to see a membership directory, like the old "Who's Who" database on the old Ranchos site. We made some improvements to the membership listing, which is still available at http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/profile

Joseph,

THe books are:

Index To The Marriage Investigations of the Diocese of Guadalajara Provinces of Coahuila * Nuevo Leon * Nuevo Santander * Texas ~ 1653 - 1750
By Raul Guerra, Jr. Nadine M. Vasquez, Baldomero Vela, Jr. COpyright 1989

Joseph,

I did not see your email online at the group site to respond to so I am responding this way.

I have been using the FHC in Littleton since 1992.

I have about 5 film from the Diocese of Guadalajara dealing with marriage investigations from

I saw that "other" meaning you referred to Arturo, in my Collins English/Spanish dictionary, and was quite surprised.

My baby sister Pat Alderete plays a character she named Cuca in several plays she wrote. Her Cuca is a sort of pachuca Madge the beautician.

Martin del Olmos is mentioned in a letter from a Diego Trujillo living in
Cuzco, Peru in 1564. The letter states that he "con Francisco de Aguilera
que va de estas partes que es natural de Toledo y lleva de Martin de Olmos

Arturo,

thanks for checking into this. What you say makes sense. I've also read
that the early Spanish sailings were not monitored very closely. That is
what gave birth to the "Sala de Contratación" as well as a series of laws.

Everyone with roots in Nochistlan, Cueva Grande and Monte Escobedo,
Zacatecas have a look at Hope's Rojas, Cabral file in the files area of
the group. Actually it is the file of a relative of her but nonetheless

Joseph

My cousin Dave is related to you thru Roman Maldonado and Maria Tranquilina Rios. His direct line is Maria Salome Rafaela Maldonado the sister to your Antonia Maldonado. I was viewing your tree, do you have Maria Higinia Rios? I traced Dave's Maldonado's to Sevastian Maldonado and Maria Ygnacia Delfin.

Has anyone else tried facial recognition technology?

I just gave it a try, and was very impressed. I uploaded one of my best, most youthful pictures, and the program instantly scanned the image, broke it down and compared it to its celebrity data bank. Within two seconds my match came up. Cat Stevens! I have always thought I looked like him, on a VERY GOOD day! Finally, someone agreed with me.

Jose, Ernie and anyone else interested in Pancho Villa,

Here is a link to a website regarding the last surviving son of Pancho
Villa. He lives in Northern CA. http://www.navavilla.com/

Maria Cortez

MARIA LUJAN wrote: Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 13:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: MARIA LUJAN
Subject: Fwd: Research
To: general-@lists.nuestrosranchos.org

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Hello,

I just wanted to let everyone know, that I will be teaching a class at the Northern Utah Family History Conference & Symposium, in Ogden, Utah on Oct. 7th, the Saturday before the Legado Latino Conference. And I also been asked to be a speaker at the St. George, Ut 2007 Genealogy & Family Heritage Jamboree, in St. George, Utah on Feb 9-10. Both conferences are being sponsored by www.myancestorsfound.com . Both classes with be on Mexican Research. So if anyone will be in the area, please come and enjoy the conferences.

The index ends at the names that start with "P!"
Just before we get to my Rangels, and Romos:(
As if they intentionally wanted to tease me.

Letty, et all

First, I want to thank you for taking time to do this for me. Here are a
few names regarding the Robles connection from Tlatelenango. Any help in
breaking my current barrier regarding any of these names would greatly be

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>From: Jose Aguayo

>I read with great interest your mention of General Trinidad Rodriguez. I,
>too, am a student of the Mexican Revolution and especially General Francisco

Hi Letty - are any of your Robles family members connected with Tlaltenango,
Zacatecas?

Esperanza

Ceniceros is a name in our family that is virtually interchangeable with Lucifer himself. El diablo.

My mother turned 88 last week, on July 10. She's bedridden. She's always had flat feet, and has diabetic neuropathy, so her tiny feet can't support her weight anymore. And she has alzheimer's, so her memory is very weak.

I have Bergara's in my line from around 1754 to 1789....(Maria Olaya Bergara born in 1789 to Salvador Bergara and Maria Salvadora Godoy)....

Thanks...