Primos & Primas,
I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:
Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco & Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, Mexico
1. Grandparents: Secundino Gutierrez & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez
2. Great-Grandparents: Juan Gutierrez & Rita Gonzalez
3. GGrandparents: Felipe Gonzalez & Juliana Gomez
4. GGrandparents: Versulo Gomez & Balvina de la Torre
5. GGrandparents: Rafael De La Torre & Maria de la Merced Gonzalez
6. GGrandparents: Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Anna Josefa Romo de Vivar
7. GGrandparents: Sebastian Romo de Vivar & Francisca Pares/Perez Franco
8. GGrandparents: Alonso Perez Franco & Juana Casillas
9. GGrandparents: Francisco Casillas y Cabrera & Luisa Lozano Gonzales
10. GGrandparents: Jacinto Lozano Gonzalez & Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
11. GGrandparents: Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa de Rodas
12. GGrandparents: Hernando Villegas & Ines Lopez de Nava
13. GGrandparents: Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez Muniz
Thank you to all my Nuestros Ranchos primos/primas for your continued assistance in researching our ancestors!
Rosa - FamiliasJalos
Primos y Primas,
Hola. He actualizado mi ascendencia materna correcta después de revisar los registros de matrimonio. Además, estaría interesado en colaborar con ustedes que tienen ADNmt haplogrupo H1:
Jalostotitlán, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco y Tepatitlán de Morelos, Jalisco, México
1. Abuelos: Secundino Gutiérrez y María de Jesús Gutiérrez
2. Bisabuelos: Juan Gutiérrez y Rita González
3. Bisabuelos: Felipe González y Juliana Gómez
4. Bisabuelos: Versulo Gómez y Balvina de la Torre
5. Bisabuelos: Rafael De La Torre y María de la Merced González
6. Bisabuelos: Miguel González de Hermosillo y Ana Josefa Romo de Vivar
7. Bisabuelos: Sebastián Romo de Vivar y Francisca Pares / Pérez Franco
8. Bisabuelos: Alonso Pérez Franco y Juana Casillas
9. Bisabuelos: Casillas y Francisco Cabrera y Luis Lozano González
10. Bisabuelos: Jacinto Lozano González y Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
11. Bisabuelos: Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas
12. Bisabuelos: Hernando Villegas y López Inés de Nava
13. Bisabuelos: Juan López de Nava y Muñiz López Inés
¡Gracias a todos mis primos/primas de Nuestros Ranchos para su continua asistencia en la investigación de nuestros antepasados!
Rosa - FamiliasJalos
Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1
Both of you shared the common ancestry of Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas.
I have this couple in my data file with a daughter Ines Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba who married Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo... Marriage date of 14 Apr 1654 Lagos De Moreno, Jalisco...
I have a couple of questions:
1.) Do either one of you have Ines/Ynes in your file as being a sibling of Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas and Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas?
2.) What source/s do you have for Beatriz and Juana?
3.) I did find a reference online to Santa Maria De Los Lagos, Logos De Moreno, Jalisco...Film # 221404 in the Bautismos 1634-1665 for Ines y Miguel, but didn't locate their record dated 14 Apr 1654, though there are marriage records in with the bapt records. Would these marriage records for this time frame be listed under a different parish?
I have no additional information as to Ines y Miguel's offspring...Tino's link is through Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo son of Juan Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Ana Gonzalez Florida. His linking is through this couple's daughter Ana Gonzalez de Hermosillo married to Diego Sanchez-Carranza
Juan and Ana are Tino's 9th ggparents.
Ines Gonzalez de Ruvalcaba is his 8th ggaunt through her marriage to Miguel Gutierrez de Hermosillo (Tino's 8th gguncle) and not a direct line.
Appreciate your help - Thank you,
Pat & Tino Corbera
Tracy CA
*Footnote: Tino's mtDNA HVR1 & HVR2 is Haplogroup A (Native American)... My HVR1 & HVR2 Haplogroup is H1. My ancestors were mainly from the Madeira Islands, Portugal & Western Europe.
Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1
Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza Gutierrez de Rodas, md to Joseph Perez-Franco, and Miguel
Gutierrez de Hermosillo, d 1697, md in Lagos in 1684 to Emerenciana de
Reynoso y Renteria. I really do recommend the *Retonos* series. While I
have come across some omissions (very few, given its scope), it is a wealth
of information.
Raquel Ruiz
Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1
Thank you Raquel for confirming that Ines is one of the family daughters.
Where did you purchase these Volumes? I checked the Internet but didn't see them listed for sale...
Pat Silva Corbera
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raquel Ruiz"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 2:42:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA haplogroup H1
Pat,
Sorry I haven't responded sooner. I'm very stressed for time these days
and don't expect that to change in the near future. My source is
secondary, ie *Retonos de Espana en la Nueva Galicia *by Mariano
Gonzalez-Leal. I have found it to be so rich a source of info for me that
I haven't had time to post all my ancestor's sibs, nor have I had much time
to use it to guide me to the primary sources, which I need to do. Ynes,
Beatriz and Juana are noted as sisters on pages 311-314 of Tomo IV, Vol.
2. In Tomo IV, Vol 1, pg 250 lists only two children for Miguel and
Ines--Lorenza Gutierrez de Rodas, md to Joseph Perez-Franco, and Miguel
Gutierrez de Hermosillo, d 1697, md in Lagos in 1684 to Emerenciana de
Reynoso y Renteria. I really do recommend the *Retonos* series. While I
have come across some omissions (very few, given its scope), it is a wealth
of information.
Raquel Ruiz
Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA Haplogroup H1
Rosa, because of a dispensa recently indexed at
www.guadalajaradispensas.comI reread your post. Since I descend from
Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez
Muniz twice I was happy to see you had posted the mtDNA haplogroup of Ines
Lopez Muniz. Did you do any further testing or find any matches? Did you
have anyone do a Y-DNA test?
Saludos,
Armando
2011/6/3
> Primos & Primas,
> I have updated my CORRECT maternal ancestry after reviewing marriage
> records. In addition, I would be interested in collaborating with those who
> have mtDNA Haplogroup H1:
>
> Jalostotitlan, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco & Tepatitlán de Morelos,
> Jalisco, Mexico
>
> 1. Grandparents: Secundino Gutierrez & Maria de Jesus Gutierrez
> 2. Great-Grandparents: Juan Gutierrez & Rita Gonzalez
> 3. GGrandparents: Felipe Gonzalez & Juliana Gomez
> 4. GGrandparents: Versulo Gomez & Balvina de la Torre
> 5. GGrandparents: Rafael De La Torre & Maria de la Merced Gonzalez
> 6. GGrandparents: Miguel Gonzalez de Hermosillo & Anna Josefa Romo de Vivar
> 7. GGrandparents: Sebastian Romo de Vivar & Francisca Pares/Perez Franco
> 8. GGrandparents: Alonso Perez Franco & Juana Casillas
> 9. GGrandparents: Francisco Casillas y Cabrera & Luisa Lozano Gonzales
> 10. GGrandparents: Jacinto Lozano Gonzalez & Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba
> Rodas
> 11. GGrandparents: Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa de Rodas
> 12. GGrandparents: Hernando Villegas & Ines Lopez de Nava
> 13. GGrandparents: Juan Lopez de Nava & Ines Lopez Muniz
>
> Thank you to all my Nuestros Ranchos primos/primas for your continued
> assistance in researching our ancestors!
> Rosa - FamiliasJalos
>
>
> Primos y Primas,
> Hola. He actualizado mi ascendencia materna correcta después de revisar
> los registros de matrimonio. Además, estaría interesado en colaborar con
> ustedes que tienen ADNmt haplogrupo H1:
>
> Jalostotitlán, San Miguel El Alto, Cerro Blanco y Tepatitlán de Morelos,
> Jalisco, México
>
> 1. Abuelos: Secundino Gutiérrez y María de Jesús Gutiérrez
> 2. Bisabuelos: Juan Gutiérrez y Rita González
> 3. Bisabuelos: Felipe González y Juliana Gómez
> 4. Bisabuelos: Versulo Gómez y Balvina de la Torre
> 5. Bisabuelos: Rafael De La Torre y María de la Merced González
> 6. Bisabuelos: Miguel González de Hermosillo y Ana Josefa Romo de Vivar
> 7. Bisabuelos: Sebastián Romo de Vivar y Francisca Pares / Pérez Franco
> 8. Bisabuelos: Alonso Pérez Franco y Juana Casillas
> 9. Bisabuelos: Casillas y Francisco Cabrera y Luis Lozano González
> 10. Bisabuelos: Jacinto Lozano González y Juana Gonsales de Rubalcaba Rodas
> 11. Bisabuelos: Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas
> 12. Bisabuelos: Hernando Villegas y López Inés de Nava
> 13. Bisabuelos: Juan López de Nava y Muñiz López Inés
>
> ¡Gracias a todos mis primos/primas de Nuestros Ranchos para su continua
> asistencia en la investigación de nuestros antepasados!
> Rosa - FamiliasJalos
>
>
>
>
Direct Maternal Ancestry and mtDNA Haplogroup H1
Primos Rosa y Armando,
I know all us with ancestors from Los Altos in Jalisco are related to each
other several times over, but I always find it enjoyable when a match is
identified. I also descend from Fulgencio Gonzalez de Rubalcaba & Luisa
Rodas by way of their daughter Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de Rodas:
1 Gpts Manuel Ruiz y Consuelo Veloz
2. GGpts Felipe Ruiz Rubalcaba y Apolonaria Lopez
3. 2GGpts Jose Francisco Ruiz y Maria Silvana Rubalcaba
4. 3GGpts Jose de la Trinidad Ruiz y Juana Neponcena Perez
5. 4GGpts Jose Ignacio Perez de la Mora y Maria Antonia Gonzalez de
Hermosillo
6. 5GGpts Nicolas Ysidro Perez y Maria Josefa de la Mora
7. 6GGpts Melchor Manuel Perez de Paredes y Juana Maria Martin del Campo
de Hermosillo
8. 7GGpts Agustin Perez de Paredes y Caltalina Gonzalez de Hermosillo
9. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Francisca Renteria Mojica
10. Melchor Gonzalez de Hermosillo y Beatriz Gonzalez de Rubalcaba y de
Rodas
11. Fulgencio González de Rubalcaba y Luisa de Rodas
Raquel Ruiz