"One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
"
Hi Ricii
These are also present in mediterranean people in certain populations over all, mostly from the neolithic migrations across the planet, before any of the present religions were present. It would be logical to conclude that are mediterranean ancestors were part of the Roman empire.
Here's a great study done in 2001. The percentages per capita per geographic locations reveals that their are more non jews overall with the same dna y haplogroups than jews, specifically J1, J2. Significantly higher, we are talking about in the millions and millions.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B8JDD-4R29JBW-M…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)#J2
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Hay alguien que tiene mas informacion sobre la familia Delgado do Rio Bravo, Zacatecas?
Esto es lo que tengo:
1) Julio Delgado (n. c. 1870) caso con Ger?nima L?pez
-----2) Perfecto Delgado (n. 6 May 1894 Rio Grande, Zacatecas) caso con Lina Medina
----------3) Antonio Delgado (n. 2 Sep 1905 Rio Grande, Zacatecas m. Jan 1978) caso con Natividad de la Fuente
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One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
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Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe. Is this docmented? Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this...please point me in the right direction...
Research Digest, Vol 50, Issue 4
Hello all,
I love to look at these coffin paintings from Fayum Egypt as a reminder of the wide dna sequences from the medittereanean and how those "looks" exist in us today. These are Greco Roman era paintings from Egypt
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/04/fayum-portrai…
Look at her eyes (1st painting)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayum_mummy_portraits
Anyone see someone they know?
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"One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
"
Hi Ricii
These are also present in mediterranean people in certain populations over all, mostly from the neolithic migrations across the planet, before any of the present religions were present. It would be logical to conclude that are mediterranean ancestors were part of the Roman empire.
Here's a great study done in 2001. The percentages per capita per geographic locations reveals that their are more non jews overall with the same dna y haplogroups than jews, specifically J1, J2. Significantly higher, we are talking about in the millions and millions.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=MImg&_imagekey=B8JDD-4R29JBW-M…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J_(Y-DNA)#J2
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Hay alguien que tiene mas informacion sobre la familia Delgado do Rio Bravo, Zacatecas?
Esto es lo que tengo:
1) Julio Delgado (n. c. 1870) caso con Ger?nima L?pez
-----2) Perfecto Delgado (n. 6 May 1894 Rio Grande, Zacatecas) caso con Lina Medina
----------3) Antonio Delgado (n. 2 Sep 1905 Rio Grande, Zacatecas m. Jan 1978) caso con Natividad de la Fuente
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One My uncles has a circulatory problem that has a much higher incident rate in the jewish population. my in laws are from san miguel el alto and they have a skin disorder by they I mean my mother in law sister in law some of my wifes cousins and her brother get these skin discolorations, small blotches. This is predominantly a jewish genetic disorder. There are other stories in los altos that point to a jewish influence in certain families. The lomeli romo perez and franco.
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Hello R.A. Ricci, my family is from el Valle de Guadalupe. Is this docmented? Neither of my grandfathers r.i.p never said anything about this...please point me in the right direction...
Jewish Ancestry
Hello-
I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.
Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.
-Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
Jewish Ancestry
Buenas tardes, quisiera emitir mi humilde opinión respecto a los comentarios emitidos sobre si los alteños somos descendientes de judios.
Indudable es que desde el descubrimiento de América que coincide con la expulsión de musulmanes y judios de España en 1492 comienza un exodo de éstas personas al mundo mediterraneo y a los nuevos territorios recién descubiertos, éstos hombres y algunas mujeres pasaron en un principio a la Española, Cuba y las Antillas y de ahí a América Continental, muchos musulmanes y principalmente judios conversos pasaron a la Nueva España ello ha sido demostrado en grandes obras de investigación histórica como Los Judios en la Nueva España o la Inquisición en Nueva España por sólo mencionar a algunos. Es un hecho que muchos hombres de los primeros pobladores y conquistadores no fueran hidalgos sino conversos con purezas de sangre compradas tal vez inventadas, eso era algo usual, una pureza de sangre expedida por un cura o notario de pueblo no significaba que fuera siempre real.
Pero de ahí a que los pobladores de Los Altos sean judios al punto de pretender con apellidos o costumbres demostrar el origen hebreo me parece totalmente absurdo, si un judio usara un apellido judio común en la época, para un converso sería delatarse ante todos, sería echarse la soga al cuello, y las costumbres de Los Altos como las de todo México y el Mundo Mediterraneo se parece a muchas tradiciones judias simplemente porque los judios han estado por miles de años en el Mediterraneo y en España.
Los pobladores de Los Altos son españoles no judios ni franceses ni ninguna otra cosa, es probable, casi seguro que tengamos algún antepasado judio converso de hace 500 años pero nuestro origen es España. No hay español que no tenga algún antepasado moro o judio de hace 5 siglos.
Asumamos eso, no busquemos lo que no somos, como dice el marqués de San Clemente: somos retoños de España.
Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:18:20 -0800
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
> Hello-
>
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.
>
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>
Jewish Ancestry
Any one else feel the need to kick a dead horse?
2010/3/9 Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez:
>
> Buenas tardes, quisiera emitir mi humilde opinión respecto a los comentarios emitidos sobre si los alteños somos descendientes de judios.
>
>
>
> Indudable es que desde el descubrimiento de América que coincide con la expulsión de musulmanes y judios de España en 1492 comienza un exodo de éstas personas al mundo mediterraneo y a los nuevos territorios recién descubiertos, éstos hombres y algunas mujeres pasaron en un principio a la Española, Cuba y las Antillas y de ahí a América Continental, muchos musulmanes y principalmente judios conversos pasaron a la Nueva España ello ha sido demostrado en grandes obras de investigación histórica como Los Judios en la Nueva España o la Inquisición en Nueva España por sólo mencionar a algunos. Es un hecho que muchos hombres de los primeros pobladores y conquistadores no fueran hidalgos sino conversos con purezas de sangre compradas tal vez inventadas, eso era algo usual, una pureza de sangre expedida por un cura o notario de pueblo no significaba que fuera siempre real.
>
>
>
> Pero de ahí a que los pobladores de Los Altos sean judios al punto de pretender con apellidos o costumbres demostrar el origen hebreo me parece totalmente absurdo, si un judio usara un apellido judio común en la época, para un converso sería delatarse ante todos, sería echarse la soga al cuello, y las costumbres de Los Altos como las de todo México y el Mundo Mediterraneo se parece a muchas tradiciones judias simplemente porque los judios han estado por miles de años en el Mediterraneo y en España.
>
>
>
> Los pobladores de Los Altos son españoles no judios ni franceses ni ninguna otra cosa, es probable, casi seguro que tengamos algún antepasado judio converso de hace 500 años pero nuestro origen es España. No hay español que no tenga algún antepasado moro o judio de hace 5 siglos.
>
>
>
> Asumamos eso, no busquemos lo que no somos, como dice el marqués de San Clemente: somos retoños de España.
>
>
>
> Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
>> From: ferraristeph@gmail.com
>> Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 18:18:20 -0800
>> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>>
>> Hello-
>>
>> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel the mystery of who they are.
>>
>> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if anyone wants help.
>>
>> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>>
>>
Jewish Ancestry
Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
En una investigación reciente,
se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
ancestros judíos.
El estudio fue hecho
por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
American Journal of Human Genetics.
RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
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Jewish Ancestry
Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
Ruben Casillas M.
--- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:
De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
En una investigación reciente,
se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
ancestros judíos.
El estudio fue hecho
por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
American Journal of Human Genetics.
RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
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Jewish Ancestry
En el pasado, Los judios, como los altenos en los ultimos 500 anos se casaban entre familia entonces la genetica de este grupo tiene sus dna markers. Es verdad que es una religion y no una raza pero cuando un grupo no mas se casa entre familia por muchos anos se puede ver el la genetica Nosotros en los alto, los que descendemos de los primeros pobladores tambien tenemos nuestras marcas en el dna.
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Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40
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Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
Ruben Casillas M.
--- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL escribió:
De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
En una investigación reciente,
se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
ancestros judíos.
El estudio fue hecho
por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
American Journal of Human Genetics.
RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
_________________________________________________________________
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Jewish Ancestry
Estimado Rubén en el judaismo raza y religión es lo mismo, el caso que usted mensiona es un accidente producido por la diáspora judia y crame que la mayoría de los judios son muy racistas y a eso se debe en gran medida su conservación a través del tiempo.
Es por eso que me causa un poco de extrañeza como mucha gente trata de ser un "poco" judio mediante la búsqueda de sus antepasados judios.
El judaismo, "lo judío" se transmite por vientre, es como la esclavitud, lo dá la mujer, es judío el hijo de la judía. Para ellos los hijos de un judio con una goi como ellos llaman a las personas no judias, son bastardos y nunca serán judíos por más méritos o conversiones que hagan. Esa forma de ver el mundo se asentúa más en las comunidades judías pequeñas como la de México que no supera los 60mil judíos en todo el país, no así en Estados Unidos en donde la propia sociedad y cultura facilitan la asimilación en cada una de las comunidades.
Hasta pronto.
Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
> Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40 -0800 escribió:
> From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
> Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
>
> Ruben Casillas M.
>
> --- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
>
>
> De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
>
>
>
> Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
> Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
> Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
>
>
>
> En una investigación reciente,
> se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
> población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
> originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
> ancestros judíos.
>
> El estudio fue hecho
> por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
> Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
> las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
> hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
> marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
>
>
>
>
>
> Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
> herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
> que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
> los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
> American Journal of Human Genetics.
> RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
>
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Jewish Ancestry
Muy estimado Rodolfo. Coincido con usted al cien por ciento.
Para Manuel Hernández Gómez del Colegio de Jalisco, en Los
Altos., Atotonilco y Teocaltiche se tuvieron los primeros asentamientos de judíos
conversos. En Tepatitlán, la cúpula de la parroquia de San Francisco está
rodeada de estrellas de David, símbolo del pueblo judío.
La influencia cultural judía está presente en el sistema patriarcal, donde el hombre más
viejo toma las decisiones en todos los órdenes respecto a su familia.
Asentado en su libro "La presencia judía en el México
colonial".Antes de que me destrocen a este autor como al Dr. Gutiérrez, les digo que de entrada los argumentos que expone me parecen blandengues., sin embargo, durante 16 años que trabajé para distintintas instituciones de crédito en Guadalajara, Los Altos y El Bajío, conocí muchísima gente hombres y mujeres que conservan rasgos morfológicos (sobre todo faciales), de extraordinario parecido con los israelitas de la actualidad. Claro, ellos son mexicanos comunes como el mole y no andan pensando si descienden de aquellos o tales ancestros, pues nada tienen que ver con la actual comunidad israelita de Guadalajara puante y emprendedora, por ejemplo. Para el mexicano ordinario, poseer 3 ó 4 gotas de sangre judía, no lo hace judío, pues este hecho no pasa de ser un accidente en grado de conceptualización aristotélica, además de que en general y lejos de todo ánimo de ser discriminatorio, el serlo tiene para la gente común un cierto tinte de tacañería y avaricia. Prometo no polemizar mas al respecto.Saludos.Vicente de San Miguel
> From: bensinai@hotmail.com escribió:
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:21:57 -0600
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
>
>
> Estimado Rubén en el judaismo raza y religión es lo mismo, el caso que usted mensiona es un accidente producido por la diáspora judia y crame que la mayoría de los judios son muy racistas y a eso se debe en gran medida su conservación a través del tiempo.
>
>
>
> Es por eso que me causa un poco de extrañeza como mucha gente trata de ser un "poco" judio mediante la búsqueda de sus antepasados judios.
>
>
>
> El judaismo, "lo judío" se transmite por vientre, es como la esclavitud, lo dá la mujer, es judío el hijo de la judía. Para ellos los hijos de un judio con una goi como ellos llaman a las personas no judias, son bastardos y nunca serán judíos por más méritos o conversiones que hagan. Esa forma de ver el mundo se asentúa más en las comunidades judías pequeñas como la de México que no supera los 60mil judíos en todo el país, no así en Estados Unidos en donde la propia sociedad y cultura facilitan la asimilación en cada una de las comunidades.
>
>
>
> Hasta pronto.
>
>
>
> Rodolfo Sinaí Gómez
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>
>
> > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:14:40 -0800
> > From: rubenazo_casillas@yahoo.com.mx
> > To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> >
> > Vicente, con todo respeto "el judaismo es una religión no una raza", en africa puedes encontrar judios negros.
> >
> > Ruben Casillas M.
> >
> > --- El sáb 13-mar-10, VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> >
> >
> > De:: VICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> > Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> > A: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> > Fecha: sábado, 13 de marzo de 2010, 12:57
> >
> >
> >
> > Siempre es una delicia leer sus disertaciones en el ámbito histórico de Los Altos de Jalisco.
> > Ni duda cabe que 700 años de Al andaluz, dejarían huella imborrable en la herencia de la población española de la península y de sus colonias o regiones conquistadas.
> > Pero, de que dimensión es el reducto judío en ¨la sangre¨ del ciudadano común español hoy en día, con todo y las expulsiones ordenadas en su tiempo por Chabela la católica?
> >
> >
> >
> > En una investigación reciente,
> > se establecía un perfil genético ibérico promedio en el que el 10.6% de los cromosomas de la
> > población española presenta características atribuibles a poblaciones
> > originarias del norte de África, mientras que el 20% provendría de los
> > ancestros judíos.
> >
> > El estudio fue hecho
> > por Científicos de la Unidad de Biología Evolutiva de la Universitat Pompeu
> > Fabra de Barcelona, especializados en el estudio de la diversidad genética en
> > las poblaciones humanas. Han acometido la investigación más completa realizada
> > hasta ahora del ADN de las poblaciones de España, a través del análisis de 300.000
> > marcadores genéticos en individuos de 10 regiones.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Caso aparte el valenciano, donde la
> > herencia genética sefardí no supera el 15% mientras la norteafricana es mayor
> > que en el conjunto de España, un 13%, debido a la mayor influencia histórica de
> > los moriscos en la Comunitat Valenciana. Esta investigación fue publicada en el
> > American Journal of Human Genetics.
> > RESPETUOSAMENTEVICENTE DE SAN MIGUEL
> >
> >
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Jewish Ancestry
Estimados miembros de NR,
Tenia entendido que opiniones hacerca de este tema no iban a continuar en Foro de Investigacion, a reserva de aportaciones donde informacion bien documentada de caracter genealogico (nombres, fechas y lugares). Creo que opiniones de este tipo no tienen lugar en este foro, sino en el Foro General. Alguien lo dijo bien, hasta cuando vamos a "seguir pateando al caballo muerto?"
Dear members of NR,
I was under the impresion that specific guidelines were given regarding stop using the Research Forum to give opinion on the subject, and only use this Forum when well documented genealogical information (names, dates, and localities) is provided. I concur that there is no room for opinions in this specific Forum. Instead, they should be posted in the General Forum. Someone put it this way: For how long are we going to beat this dead horse?
Sincerely
Jaime
Jewish Ancestry
I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish than that.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
> Hello-
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> the mystery of who they are.
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>
Jewish Ancestry
Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.
Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
source: church marriage record #0440059
________________________________
From: "eaherold@att.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:08:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish than that.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
> Hello-
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> the mystery of who they are.
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>
Jewish Ancestry
My Sanchez Navarro line goes toMelchora Sanchez Navarro, daughter of Juan Navarro and Maria Rodriguez, daughter of Baltazar Castano de Sosa, brother of Gaspar Castano de Sosa(explored New Mexico and captured by Inquisition) and Inez Rodriguez, daughter of Diego Montemayor and his wife Inez Rodriguez. Diego Montemayor was Carbajal's Lt Governor.
Castano de SOsa met Carbajal when he landed in Tampico and were his friends and came before him.
I also descend from Melchora's other sister's, Beatriz and Inez. Beatriz married (1)Alonso de Sosa Albernoz and had a daughter Ana de Sosa who married a Zaldivar. Inez married a Martinez who I believe came with Carbajal. His dna looks semetic.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long: --------------
Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria
> Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.
>
> Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
> Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
> parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
> with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
> parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
> padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
> source: church marriage record #0440059
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "eaherold@att.net"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:08:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish
> than that.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
>
>
> > Hello-
> > I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this
> topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> > the mystery of who they are.
> > Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and
> finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is
> presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a
> "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems
> pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the
> last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in
> fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking
> and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean
> blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> > anyone wants help.
> >
> > -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
> >
> >
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Jewish Ancestry
Luis Carbajal landed at Tampico in the mid 1500s. Most of his line was extinguished by the Inquisition about 1592. I descend from passengers that were with him when he landed. They came ffrom Portugal. SOme of his sisters married but their descendands did not carry the CUeva Carbahal name.
Some of his brothers escaped to Italy but changed their name to Lambrusco.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long: --------------
Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria
> Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.
>
> Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
> Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
> parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
> with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
> parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
> padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
> source: church marriage record #0440059
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "eaherold@att.net"
> To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
> Sent: Sat, March 13, 2010 2:08:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
> I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish
> than that.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
>
> -------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
>
>
> > Hello-
> > I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this
> topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> > the mystery of who they are.
> > Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and
> finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is
> presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a
> "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems
> pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the
> last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in
> fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking
> and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean
> blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> > anyone wants help.
> >
> > -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
> >
> >
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Jewish Ancestry
thank you Esther for checking for me.. I appreciate your efforts.
Linda in Marietta
________________________________
From: "eaherold@att.net"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Sun, March 21, 2010 11:49:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
Luis Carbajal landed at Tampico in the mid 1500s. Most of his line was extinguished by the Inquisition about 1592. I descend from passengers that were with him when he landed. They came ffrom Portugal. SOme of his sisters married but their descendands did not carry the CUeva Carbahal name.
Some of his brothers escaped to Italy but changed their name to Lambrusco.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from Erlinda Castanon-Long: --------------
Esther, do you know if this is part of your de la Cueva Carabajal line? This record is from Jerez Zacatecas Mexico and the Caldera line goes back to Maria
> Cid Caldera, sister of El Capitan Miguel Caldera.
>
> Marriage: 5 June 1732 in Jerez
> Manuel de la Cueva y Carabajal
> parents: Lasaro de la Cueva and Juana Lopes, deceased
> with: Maria Magdalena Caldera, Espanola
> parents: Joseph Caldera and Alfonsa Ortis
> padrinos: Juan de Medrano and Xabal Roman
> source: church marriage record #0440059
>
>
>
Esther A. Herold-Saldivar
Hello there Esther ,
It´s been awhile that you and I have talked . My interest in you mail is through the Saldivar line .
By any chance do you have the migration of the Saldivars that ended up in Nuevo Leon . My connection to them is through my GG Grandmother Maria Quirina Saldivar Gomez married to Candelario Alvarado . They married 26 of Oct. 1844 in the Villa de Santiago , Nuevo Leon .
Best to you ,
Welester
> I have traced my acestry to 2 different rabbis living in Spain before the expulsion. My actestors were members of the Carabajal de Cueva group that landed in Tampico and colonized NE Mexico. One of these lines was through the Saldivar line. The other was through my Morales line. Can't get more jewish than that.
> --
> Esther A. Herold
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Jewish Ancestry
Miri,
Jose Esquibel has traced our Onate/Saldivar line to Abraham ha Levi and his son Solomon Ha Levi who were rabbis in Burgos, Spain. I know Solomon converted to Catholicism but I am looking for more information on the line. I know that Abraham was supposedly a friend of the King of Spain but do know know more than that. It wasn't the Abraham Ha Levi that was a poet. I think that one lived in a different part of Eurpoe.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
> Hello-
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> the mystery of who they are.
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>
Jewish Ancestry
If I recall correctly they were businessmen with a highly regarded reputation of honesty and follow through.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: eaherold@att.net
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:16:29
To:
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Jewish Ancestry
Miri,
Jose Esquibel has traced our Onate/Saldivar line to Abraham ha Levi and his son Solomon Ha Levi who were rabbis in Burgos, Spain. I know Solomon converted to Catholicism but I am looking for more information on the line. I know that Abraham was supposedly a friend of the King of Spain but do know know more than that. It wasn't the Abraham Ha Levi that was a poet. I think that one lived in a different part of Eurpoe.
--
Esther A. Herold
-------------- Original message from ferraristeph@gmail.com: --------------
> Hello-
> I have to say that I am so very dissapointed in most of the comments on this topic. No one should be attacked or belittled because they are trying to unravel
> the mystery of who they are.
> Also there really is no iron clad Jewish DNA, so if one does the research and finds that part of themselves then that should be the research that is presented. Also I would encourage those who do not understand and call it a "fantasy" to do more research with a little more of an open heart BUT it seems pretty clear that this group is not capable of that, as demonstrated from the last few posts. These posts have not been put up to further our research, in fact they have probably disuaded many people reading them to just stop looking and feel ashamed, if they have jewish ancestry because of the myth of "clean blood". Well to thoe out there who are still looking -good luck and I am here if
> anyone wants help.
>
> -Miri AKA Myriam, a jew
>
>