Hi everyone! My name is Marina Talamantes (Riley) I just joined and I am very excited to be here. I just started researching my lineage, I only have three generations so far, but hopefully I'll make it to my local family history center here in Charlotte NC soon. My family is from Valparaiso Zacatecas (this is where my parents married (Familia Talamantes-Miramontes)) and their families were from La Junta de los Rios Jalisco (Familia Miramontes-Guzman ) and Minillas Jalisco (Familia Caldera-Simental) and from somewhere in Jalisco Familia Talamantes-Hernandez.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like my living relatives know much about their ancestry, sad to say, but I hope to change that.
Any tips for beginners are welcome!
Marina
Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes, Caldera, Guzman
Marina:
Welcome to the group. I hope this group can help you make some progress with your genealogy.
If your family is from Valparaiso, you are a bit out of luck in the sense that the films from that parrish are not yet indexed by the Church of Latter Day Saintes (LDS). The most important resource for any genealogist researching Mexico are parrish records and since the LDS has more than 90% of these filmed, that is the primary resource. What you need to do is find your closest Family History Center on http://www.familysearch.org and start ordering and reviewing films.
I can tell you that the origin of the surnames you are researching is largely the Jerez and Tlaltenango area so you will likely be able to eventually link up with others in the group that are researching the same families. The original Talamantes in the area were a pair of brothers who lived in Tlaltenango around 1630 named Jacinto and Pedro Lopez de Talamantes. Jacinto's son's seem to have taken their mother's last name (Covarrubias) so most Talamantes are probably descendants of the latter.
There is a strong nucleus of Caderas around Jerez. Miguel Caldera, and Cristobal Caldera (probably Miguel's uncle) were very prominent among the first settlers of the region. Miguel was a mestizo Captain who negotiated peace with the local Chichimecas (Zacatecas and Guachichiles) and therefore lots of indigenous people took his name.
The Miramontes in the region descend from Juan de Miramonte who immigrated from Spain in the late 1500s and settled in Tlaltenango where he married Maria de Haro y Saucedo (a descendant of Pedro de Bobadilla who was the original encomendero of Tepechitlan). They had a great number of children, some named Haro and some Miramontes and others Saucedo.
You can find information on most of these people in the GEDCOM database under the Tlaltenango families tree. However, genealogy is about working back one generation at a time so you should start by documenting all of the information you have (whether oral or from documents) in a database with detailed source information. You can download the free PAF program from the familysearch site.
I would start by ordering some films from Valparaiso and trying to find Secundino's and Pascuala's marriage which should list their places of birth and names of their parents.
Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes, Caldera, Guzman
Arturo,
Thank you so much for all that information, I guess you have been doing this for a while. It is so wonderful that you were able to point me in the right direction, I really didn't know where to begin. I downloaded the PAF program, and I love it so far, it really helps keep my people straight. I looked at familysearch.org and I know that they have a record of my great-grandparents marriage, I'm looking forward to getting ahold of that. I can't thank you enough for taking the time to write it all out for me. Thank you! Thank you!
Marina
arturoramos wrote:
Marina:
Welcome to the group. I hope this group can help you make some progress with your genealogy.
If your family is from Valparaiso, you are a bit out of luck in the sense that the films from that parrish are not yet indexed by the Church of Latter Day Saintes (LDS). The most important resource for any genealogist researching Mexico are parrish records and since the LDS has more than 90% of these filmed, that is the primary resource. What you need to do is find your closest Family History Center on http://www.familysearch.org and start ordering and reviewing films.
I can tell you that the origin of the surnames you are researching is largely the Jerez and Tlaltenango area so you will likely be able to eventually link up with others in the group that are researching the same families. The original Talamantes in the area were a pair of brothers who lived in Tlaltenango around 1630 named Jacinto and Pedro Lopez de Talamantes. Jacinto's son's seem to have taken their mother's last name (Covarrubias) so most Talamantes are probably descendants of the latter.
There is a strong nucleus of Caderas around Jerez. Miguel Caldera, and Cristobal Caldera (probably Miguel's uncle) were very prominent among the first settlers of the region. Miguel was a mestizo Captain who negotiated peace with the local Chichimecas (Zacatecas and Guachichiles) and therefore lots of indigenous people took his name.
The Miramontes in the region descend from Juan de Miramonte who immigrated from Spain in the late 1500s and settled in Tlaltenango where he married Maria de Haro y Saucedo (a descendant of Pedro de Bobadilla who was the original encomendero of Tepechitlan). They had a great number of children, some named Haro and some Miramontes and others Saucedo.
You can find information on most of these people in the GEDCOM database under the Tlaltenango families tree. However, genealogy is about working back one generation at a time so you should start by documenting all of the information you have (whether oral or from documents) in a database with detailed source information. You can download the free PAF program from the familysearch site.
I would start by ordering some films from Valparaiso and trying to find Secundino's and Pascuala's marriage which should list their places of birth and names of their parents.
Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes, Caldera, Guzman
Marina,
Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos. One of your comments is "My family doesn't know much about their ancestry" That is something I hear so often from many Nuestros Ranchos members and that includes my own family. Although I'll have to say that as a result of my interest in genealogy it has sparked an interest in many close and distant family members. It seems that usually it's one or two family members that are chosen by our ancestors to search out the family history.
Happy hunting..........it's the challenges that make this so exciting and there will be plenty of those. The unbelievable feeling you get when you find a relevant connection or significant family record is like a rush of new life that awakens something within us. Wishing you many of those aha moments when you know you have found part of yourself and you take yourself back to a different time with your ancestors.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
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Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes, Caldera, Guzman
Hi everyone! My name is Marina Talamantes (Riley) I just joined and I am very excited to be here. I just started researching my lineage, I only have three generations so far, but hopefully I'll make it to my local family history center here in Charlotte NC soon. My family is from Valparaiso Zacatecas (this is where my parents married (Familia Talamantes-Miramontes)) and their families were from La Junta de los Rios Jalisco (Familia Miramontes-Guzman ) and Minillas Jalisco (Familia Caldera-Simental) and from somewhere in Jalisco Familia Talamantes-Hernandez.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like my living relatives know much about their ancestry, sad to say, but I hope to change that.
Any tips for beginners are welcome!
Marina
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16024
Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes, Caldera, Guzman
Hi Marina,
Welcome...yes, like Alicia said, that does happen a lot while researching a
family tree. When I bring up something I learned to my mother, or an aunt,
they'll usually say, 'you know, my grandmother use to say that we DID have
an uncle from such and such"...and, it's like, it jogs their memory of what
they heard when they were younger.
And yes, those feelings when you "connect the dots". Like accomplishment,
patting yourself on the back for your tenacity. It takes a special person
to scroll through image after image on microfilm checked out from the
FHC/LDS, looking for your ancestors...then finally finding the links.....I
can't describe it, it's elation, the "aha" moment Alicia was talking about.
Trying to imagine: What did they wear back then? What was life like? What
did they do for a living? What were the living conditions? Me, being
Catholic, I believe in a life after death (as do other faiths), and I always
imagine dying and finally putting all the faces to all the names I ever
gathered. Anyway, that's my dream......
Good luck!!
Peggy Delgado
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[mailto:research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org]On Behalf Of Alicia
Carrillo
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:29 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction: Surnames Talamantes,
Miramontes,Caldera, Guzman
Marina,
Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos. One of your comments is "My family doesn't know
much about their ancestry" That is something I hear so often from many
Nuestros Ranchos members and that includes my own family. Although I'll have
to say that as a result of my interest in genealogy it has sparked an
interest in many close and distant family members. It seems that usually
it's one or two family members that are chosen by our ancestors to search
out the family history.
Happy hunting..........it's the challenges that make this so exciting and
there will be plenty of those. The unbelievable feeling you get when you
find a relevant connection or significant family record is like a rush of
new life that awakens something within us. Wishing you many of those aha
moments when you know you have found part of yourself and you take yourself
back to a different time with your ancestors.
Alicia,
San Jose, Calif
----- Original Message ----
From: Marina26
To: research@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:19:09 PM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Introduction: Surnames Talamantes, Miramontes,
Caldera, Guzman
Hi everyone! My name is Marina Talamantes (Riley) I just joined and I am
very excited to be here. I just started researching my lineage, I only have
three generations so far, but hopefully I'll make it to my local family
history center here in Charlotte NC soon. My family is from Valparaiso
Zacatecas (this is where my parents married (Familia Talamantes-Miramontes))
and their families were from La Junta de los Rios Jalisco (Familia
Miramontes-Guzman ) and Minillas Jalisco (Familia Caldera-Simental) and from
somewhere in Jalisco Familia Talamantes-Hernandez.
Unfortunately it doesn't seem like my living relatives know much about their
ancestry, sad to say, but I hope to change that.
Any tips for beginners are welcome!
Marina
http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/node/16024