There have been quite a few new members that have joined the list since
we moved to the new site.
If you haven't had a chance yet please do introduce your self on the
Research list: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Make sure to give us the Surnames in the specific areas within our
Target area of research that you are researching. If you have any
questions or want to make comments please feel free to do so on whatever
list would be appropriate:
(for General topics)
general@nuestrosranchos.org
(for Announcements)
announce@nuestrosranchos.org
(for Research topics)
research@nuestrosranchos.org
thanks,
joseph
ps: I sent this "Announcement" message to the Research List because I think Introductions should be sent to the Research list since they specifically will include
Surnames and areas of Research. Don't be intimidated if you can't figure out which list to mail your comments to. There won't be a "proper forum" officer ready
to pounce on you if you post to the wrong list. For those that want to help redirect messages to an appropriate list just change the address sent to the group before
clicking on "reply."
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Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
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Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
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Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
Patricia Silva Corbera
wrote:
Hi, My name is Patricia (Pat) Silva Corbera. I'm not new to genealogy research, spending over 10 years researching my Portuguese roots from the Island of Madeira. It's now time to devote that same "energy," to my husband's "family tree." I look forward in sharing and learning from members of this group.
Visit my webpage, scan down and click on "Casita Corbera," www.geocities.com/papagaia2, to learn a little more about our Corbera family.
Areas and Surnames
El Sagrario, Aguascalientes - surname Andrade
Rancho de Los Pintos Parroquia de Momax, Zacatecas
Surnames - Corbera/Corvera/Serrano/Salamanca/Gonzalez
Rancho de La Jabonera, Nochistlan, Zacatecas
Surnames - Perez/Aguirre/Andrade/Delgadillo/Lopez/Contreras/Plasencia/
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Pat, my apologies, I got so excited about seeing Andrade from Aguascalientes I forgot my manners,you are very welcome to the group. I checked out your site, what a wonderful job you've done
It's a very small world since my cousin, Maria Cuevas (De la Cueva) who married Luis Andrade is from Dinuba Ca..Her parents were Donaciano Cuevas (De la Cueva and Paula Castanon, my grandfathers sister, they settled in Dinuba in 1920 and were farmers. All my Andrade research has been done online so my information is very limited, during the same time span I have Luciano Andrade, abt 1810 married to Antonia Montes married 1835 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Unfortunately I won't be able to research this line until Nov since I will be in a location in Canada with no history center until then.. I look forward to comparing records and information in the future with you..
thank you for responding,
Linda in Everett
Patricia Corbera
wrote: Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
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Linda, this is wonderful... My husband and his sister thought that their parents were married in Mexico, so what a surprise when they learned about Dinuba. I was going through vital records that my sister-in-law had, when I came across my in-law's marriage record. I didn't know where Dinuba was located, had to look it up on a map. wrote:
Researching my husband's roots has been difficult for me. It took years before I felt comfortable reading the Portuguese vital records. I do not speak nor write, but understand the spoken Portuguese language. I fumble through the vital records of Mexico checking almost every word with my handy Spanish/English Dictionary.
Thank you for the kind words about my website. It's a labor of love. Yesterday when I came across the NuestrosRanchos website, it rekindled my interest in continuing with researching Tino's Hispanic roots. I'm so pleased that finally there's a site that I can learn, plus share what I have in order to link with family members. A great deal of what I have on the Perez line came from a very helpful online friend, Deena Ortiz. We have a local FHC here, and I have ordered film, but it's been a while ago. Pat
Erlinda Castanon-Long
Pat, my apologies, I got so excited about seeing Andrade from Aguascalientes I forgot my manners,you are very welcome to the group. I checked out your site, what a wonderful job you've done
It's a very small world since my cousin, Maria Cuevas (De la Cueva) who married Luis Andrade is from Dinuba Ca..Her parents were Donaciano Cuevas (De la Cueva and Paula Castanon, my grandfathers sister, they settled in Dinuba in 1920 and were farmers. All my Andrade research has been done online so my information is very limited, during the same time span I have Luciano Andrade, abt 1810 married to Antonia Montes married 1835 in Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes. Unfortunately I won't be able to research this line until Nov since I will be in a location in Canada with no history center until then.. I look forward to comparing records and information in the future with you..
thank you for responding,
Linda in Everett
Patricia Corbera
wrote: Hi Erlinda,
This is what I have so far -
Juan is my husband's 3rd ggfather:
Juan Andrade b. abt 1772 m. 23 Jan 1793 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes, to Maria Feliciana Lopez b. abt 1775
parents of
Jose Apolonio Andrade bapt 10 June 1808 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes d. bef May 1873 married to Maria Demetria Delgadillo on 13 May 1829 Nochistlan, Zacatecas
parents of
Juan Nepomuceno Andrade bapt 24 May 1835 Nochistlan, Zac. married Maria Senovia Aguirre on 22 May 1873 Nochistlan (Maria's 1st. marriage to Tereso Goncales 18 Feb 1863; he died 1869 ) Juan and Maria -
parents of
Maria Hilaria Andrade (aka Andrea Perez) b. 15 Jan 1875 Nochistlan, Zac
parents of
Maria Rufugio Perez b. 04 July 1903 Nochistlan, m. 28 Apr 1924 Dinuba, Tulare Co. CA to Florentino Corbera b. 15 April 1894 Momax, Zac (my husband's parents)
Pat Silva Corbera
Erlinda Castanon-Long wrote:
Pat, you got my attention! Andrade from Aguascalientes, are they part of the family I posted on the Nuestros site?
Linda in Everett
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New DNA results for Gutierrez
I had the 12 marker DNA done by my Uncle Louis Gutierrez, my mothers brother, who was born in Tamazula Jalisco in 1924 but the genealogy has the Gutierrez family in Chilchota Michocan in the mid 1600's to 1780 or so when they migrated to Jalisco. To my surprise the results came back Haplogroup N. Group N comes from China and Mongolia then into Siberia... My mother was one of 8 children who all were very fair skinned but do all have small slanted eyes. As a child my mother was teased about her blue "Chinese eyes." and my cousin who is an art instructor is always greeted by Asians as one of their own.. he said he believed the Gutierrez DNA would prove he had Asian blood... he's the only one not surprised by the results.. The other thing that surprised me was that in looking through Gary Felix's site there were no other Haplogroup N participants.. that dissappointed me. I had shared earlier that my MTDNA was Haplogroup A which I thought explained our families slanted eyes...
just thought I'd share, Linda
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Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/con…
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as "Chinos." 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Nao de China
Arturo, thank you so much for taking the time to share the article and your thoughts. My ethnic world, knowledge and curiosity expands daily on this genealogy site! Asians in Mexico before 1650 never even entered my thoughts..
Like Ernie I'm beginning to feel like a child of the world not limited by borders or surnames.. how wonderful! I haven't had my Castanon DNA done yet but nothing will surprise me now. I thought the biggest surprise for me and my family was when I found Mulato ancestors but Asian is even a bigger surprise.. I was also surprised that I didn't find anyone else with Haplogroup N in Gary Felix's site.. Nice to be the first.
Linda in B.C.
arturoramos wrote:
Linda:
This is very interesting but fits within the puzzle of Mexican history. Many people forget that Mexico was the principal endpoint on the Western side of the Pacific for trans-Pacific trade for hundreds of years. The Nao de China or Manila Galleons sailed between Acapulco and Manila for hundreds of years before the English or Americans established trade routes across the Pacific.
The remnants of this trade are everywhere in Mexico. Food: tamarind, mangoes, even mole (inspired by Asian curries). Thai and Korean cuisine likewise owes a lot to our good old Mexican chile. For some time the amount of silver exported from Mexico to the Philippines in order to maintain that far flung colony was so great that the Mexican silver peso was one of the main currencies of international trade in East Asia.
Another remnant of this was the substantial Asian immigrantion that came to the Mexican Pacific Coast over time. These immigrants melted into the mesitzaje but there are some historical accounts of Chinese and Filipino populations in early Mexico.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/publications/journals/shq/online/v022/n1/con…
The ordinary population of Acapulco consisted of Indians and
Orientals, and of mestizos and mulattoes of every possible degree
of miscegenation. This nondescript lot were generically classed
outside of Acapulco as "Chinos." 19 Few Spaniards remained in
the town beyond the term of the feria, at which time the perma-
nent population of the place was greatly increased by the influx
of thousands from Mexico, Peru, and the Philippines. 20
Nao de China
Arturo,
I'm not sure where or if I'm supposed to post my Gutierrez YDNA but these are the numbers:
FTDNA Haplogroup
Haplogroup
Tests
N
-
Your Haplogroup has not been determined by a specific test. Use the Haplogroup link on the left to find out about it, and if we were able to predict it.
FTDNA DYS markers
We provide the actual scientific Allele values and DYS #'s for your results unless the markers were discovered at the University of Arizona and do not have a publication schedule. When that situation occurs we provide your results in "scores" to allow us to use the marker without compromising the discoverer until publication dates have been established.
We are pleased to report your results below:
Understanding your results.
Locus
DYS#
Alleles
1
393
14
2
390
23
3
19*
14
4
391
11
5
385a
11
6
385b
14
7
426
11
8
388
12
9
439
10
10
389-1
14
11
392
14
12
389-2
30
*Also known as DYS 394
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Nao de China
Arturo,
I find this very interesting, and I was wondering what my father was talking about concerning "chinos" in Mexico. When I was in high school and college I would invite Filipino and Chinese fellow students (young men) that approached me to our home. I think they thought I was Asian at first. My father later said, "what is wrong with you, bringing these Filipinos and Chinos here?" I told him I found them interesting, intelligent, and that we were interested in each others' ethnicity, etc. Then I asked him why he didn't like them, and he said, "Because they came to Mexico and started marrying our women". (My father was very provincial in his thinking despite having lived in the US since he was 10 years old in 1913). Was there a period of Asian immigration to Mexico around the turn of the 20th century that he would have heard about? He only lived in Jerez for 10 years, from his year of birth to 1913.
Emilie Garcia
Port Orchard, WA ---
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Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
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Alicia, thank you for the "warm welcome." I don't have Avelars in my family, my husband's, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We're almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, "on loan," from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It's his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there's a lot of siblings that I didn't add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I'm in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino's lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
Sincerely,
Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Alicia,
From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
to be continued
Pat
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
Sincerely,
Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
Saludos,
Alicia
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Nochistlan and it's descendants
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
Nochistlan and it's descendants
Hello Enrique: Yes, this meeting will be held in Brentwood, CA, in Contra Costa County. If you are interested in meeting this awesome group of researchers, we can put you in touch with Maria Cortes, the awesome organizer.
Members will be attending from the Sacramento, and San Jose areas also, from a few hamlets in-between. Hope you can join us. Helyn
enrique legaspi wrote:
I am very curious about the meeting referenced below. I was born in Nochistlan, I have traced a bulk of my family (Legaspi, Frias, Huerta, Mejia, Jauregui, plus) over the years....This meeting in Brentwood California?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, July 29th in Brentwood sounds good. My husband would like to attend also. Do I need to register for this meeting, and if so how do I go about obtaining a registration form, plus an outline of the discussion topics? I would love to meet you and Helyn, maybe at the meeting in Brentwood we could exchange addresses and discuss future meeting locations.. I must admit there's a lot that I need to learn about my husband's ancestry, but I'm more than willing to do so. Sorry to read that the publication is no longer in print nor available. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote: Pat,
Our next meeting is on Saturday July 28th in Brentwood with the possibility of a change in location depending on how many people will be attending.
Being that we live so close to each other, maybe one day we can try and meet up. You can contact me off-line at alliecar@pacbell.net and we can discuss this further. When I was beginning my research about a year and a half ago a member of the Ranchos group who is now a very dear friend, invited me to her favorite FHC in Fremont. I met up with Helyn in Fremont and life has not been the same since. We regularly meet up there to do our research, to share family history stories, research strategies etc, etc and we have traveled together to Sacramento's group meeting.
Looking forward to meeting up with you and maybe your husband too to compare our family history. From the looks of his family surnames, we have much in common. I will bring the book with me that is now out of print and not available for sale anywhere that I know of.
Alicia
Alicia,
>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
How to Create a Folder and Upload to it: was-Nochistlan and it's
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Alicia,
>
> From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>
> Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>
> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>
1) log in
2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
3) go to "create content"
4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
step for you and then #'s 5-8]
hope this wasn't too confusing,
joseph
>
wrote:
> to be continued
> Pat
>
>Patricia Corbera
> Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>Sincerely,
>Pat
>
>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>Patricia,
>
>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>
>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>
>Saludos,
>Alicia
>
>
>
>
How to Create a Folder and Upload to it: was-Nochistlan and it's
Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote:
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Alicia,
>
> From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>
> Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>
> Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>
1) log in
2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
3) go to "create content"
4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
step for you and then #'s 5-8]
hope this wasn't too confusing,
joseph
>
> to be continued
> Pat
>
>Patricia Corbera
wrote:
> Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>Sincerely,
>Pat
>
>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>Patricia,
>
>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>
>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>
>Saludos,
>Alicia
>
>
>
>
How to Create a Folder and Upload to it: was-Nochistlan and it's
If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat wrote:
>
>Joseph Puentes
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
>format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to "create content"
>
>4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #'s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn't too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
How to Create a Folder and Upload to it: was-Nochistlan and it's
Thank you...Pat
Joseph Puentes wrote: If you or anyone on the list has any trouble at all please let me,
Arturo or Rosalinda know you need help. Email:
moderator@nuestrosranchos.org and one of us will get the message.
thanks,
joseph
Patricia Corbera wrote:
>Joseph, Thank you. I need to put my "thinking cap," on before attempting this. Your outlined steps seem easy enough to follow... Pat
>
>Joseph Puentes wrote:
>
>Patricia Corbera wrote:
>
>
>
>>Alicia,
>>
>>From your listing the following "same," surnames appear in my husband's ancestry.
>>
>>Alvares, Aguayo, Garcia, de Frias, Duran, Esparza, Aguirre, Martinez and Rubalcava.
>>
>>Tomorrow I'll figure out how to upload an "ahnentafel," chart, that will make it easier in comparing what I do have.
>>
>>
>>
>1) log in
>
>2) go to "Files" and to "Member Genealogies" and carefully see the
>format: "Name (Research Locations)" for the folder name and description
>
>3) go to "create content"
>
>4) choose "File Folder" and create your folder using the established format
>
>5) then go to "browse" toward the bottom and select your Genealogy
>Report being careful it doesn't contain Living Relatives
>
>6) Name and describe the file and the click on "Add File to Folder"
>
>7) if you have other files to upload then do 5 and 6 again
>
>8) if you are done uploading then click "Submit" to finalize the process
>
>9) if you later want to add more material open your folder and click on
>"Edit" [Note: for the NR members that already have folders this is the
>step for you and then #'s 5-8]
>
>hope this wasn't too confusing,
>
>joseph
>
>
>
>>to be continued
>>Pat
>>
>>Patricia Corbera
>>
>>
>wrote:
>
>
>>Alicia, do you know when the meeting will take place in Brentwood? Is this publication available for sale, and if so how does one go about obtaining a copy? I'll check out your listing of family surnames and get back to you if I see a possible connection.
>>Thank you so much for being so gracious. I truly feel very "at home," with this group.
>>Sincerely,
>>Pat
>>
>>Alicia Carrillo wrote:
>>Patricia,
>>
>>As a result of my connections with Nuestros Ranchos, I belong to the northern California chapter of Geneaologists for this group. We meet quarterly in Sacramento but this quarter we will be meeting in Brentwood. I will be doing a presentation on this book "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. If you're interested in attending or joining this group, we would love to have you, we can inform Maria Cortes our group coordinator and facilitator and she can add you to the list of attendees.
>>Knowing of your husband's surnames and with Rancho La Jabonera as the main point of exit for many of the families listed in this book I will begin a quick scan of the surnames you listed and forward to you if they seem pertinent.
>>
>>My family as well as my husband's family both descend from Nochistlan for the last 250 years or so and going back further I'm finding roots in Pabellon Rincon de Romos Aguascalientes, Jalpa and Tabasco Zacatecas and Teocaltiche Jalisco. You can find a listing of our family's surnames in Nuestros Ranchos files under, Alicia Avelar Olmos de Carrillo and Juan Carrillo Olmos.
>>
>>Saludos,
>>Alicia
>>
>>
>>
>>
New To List
Alicia, I have a personal copy of the book. i can scan some pages and emailed them ot you..what would you be interested?
Enrique Legaspi
Patricia Corbera
wrote:
Alicia, thank you for the "warm welcome." I don't have Avelars in my family, my husband's, 6th ggfather, was a Luis de Avalos b. abt 1697 Mexico; died bef 1750 m. to Maria Perez daughter of Nicolas Mexia Estrada and Mariana Isla Sandobal. Maria and Luis were the parents of Maria Teresa de Avalos, not sure if this is just one of those spelling variations of a surname that so often is found. We're almost neighbors, I live in Tracy. The publication that you noted, Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas, "on loan," from a local library? Tino (my husband) has Duran ancestors from Nochistlan. I would love to see that book. His maternal ancestry resided in Nochistlan for over 300 yrs. It's his paternal line of Corbera that proven to be difficult for me. I only have about 300 in my computer for his family, but there's a lot of siblings that I didn't add. I bet with your Portuguese ancestry you and I probably are related. I just recently
had my mtDNA tested, and I'm in the process of talking my husband into getting his mtDNA and yDNA tested. How exciting it would be to find a common ancestor in Tino's lines with you or your husband. Pat
Alicia Carrillo wrote:
Patricia,
Welcome to the group, I hope you enjoy this group as much as I do. I have met some wonderful people that have become very good friends.
You said you have been researching your Portuguese roots for 10 years, do you have any ancestors with the surname of Abelar or Avelar? Avelar is my maiden name and every Avelar I have encountered that is not a known member of my family has been Portuguese. I live and worked in Silicon Valley and came into contact with many Portuguese people with this surname.
Now to your husband's ancestry, you list his areas of research as "La Jabonera" in Nochistlan Zac. I have a book on loan which is titled, "Nochistlan Zacatecas" Los Duran, su Parroquia y otras familias antiguas. Much of the history and geneaology within this book is from Rancho La Jabonera, most of the focus is on "Duran" but like all Geneaology it branches off to many other surnames.
How much research have you done to date on your husband's family. I have probably around 2,000 plus entries in my database and who knows, we may have some connections.The only surname that we have in common is Aguirre which is on my husband's side. The surnames of Perez, Delgadillo and Lopez are indirect family ties.
I look forward to hearing from you Patricia.
Saludos,
Alicia Avelar, Olmos de Carrillo