New Member Introduction and request for assistance on Gonzalez de Hermosillo

Carlos,

So everyone can follow what you are talking about. It is the CONFIRMACION DE OFICIO: FRANCISCO HERMOSILLO MEXICO,177,N.58 1607-5-30 in Audencia de México under Archivo General de Indias found at http://pares.mcu.es/

I do see where at the top of image 5 where it states he is "Francisco Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad ...hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su legitimo mujer mis padres difuntos y nieto de Gonzalo García Hermosillo y Leonor Sánchez Parra su mujer mis abuelos paternos; de Gonzalo Magdaleno y María Hernández su mujer mis abuelos maternos"

Then on the 8th line from the bottom it talks about his brother Juan and it says "Juan González Hermosillo vecino de esta ciudad de México hijo legitimo de Juan González Hermosillo y Ana Rodríguez su mujer vecinos de esta ciudad de México...padre natural de la villa de Guadalcanal en el reino de Castilla y la dicha mi madre de esta dicha ciudad"

On image 6 I see where you it mentions what looks like the bother in law.

Image 7 is extremely interesting. At the top it says "notorio y publico de fama Juan González Hermosillo----------------------------------
en la villa de Guadalcanal a diez de este mes de febrero de mil quinientos y ochenta y
cuarto años"

I had been trying to read the documents since your first post today.

This is a great find Carlos. Congratulations on your find. It would be best to keep posts to a minumum and summarize the findings once you are done.

Armando

Paige,

No, it isn't certain but additional proof would be needed, but there are no records whatsoever that I, or Manny, can find that show Diego Alonso del Pedroso ever used the Ramírez surname, as Manny had pointed out. In order to make that assumption we would need to find a document that does that. Unfortunately, most documents from Jalostotitlán from that period no longer exist. Supposedly they were lost in a fire. There is a book by Sergio Gutiérrez with the padrón from 1650 you can buy at Amazon that supposedly has Diego Alonso del Pedroso with his wife and six of seven of his children. Search for Jalostotitlán at Amazon to find it. Another record to search for is a Cofradía from 1627. Until then the Ramírez surname should be taken off of Diego Alonso del Pedroso because otherwise it is a presumption. Yes, descendants of Diego Alonso could've used Muñoz as descendants of María Muñoz but there are no indications whatsoever that he ever did so his descendants that did use it was because of Luisa Muñoz, therefore the only person we would attach Muñoz to are the people that have a mother with the surname Muñoz making it their maternal surname.

Yes, Diego Alonso González de Hermosillo and a Diego Ildefonso Ramírez de Hermosillo married to Luisa Muñoz are the same person. Alonso and Ildefonso are first names used interchangeably during that period.

Armando

I'm trying to determine what is the correct origin of the González de
Hermosillo. Elsewhere on the forum I've see this:

· Pedro Fernández de Hermosilla
· Alonso de Hermosilla casó a Catalina González hija de Tomás González
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Catalina Ramírez
· Juan González de Hermosillo c Isabel de Escobar hija del Conq. Juan de
Burgos
· Juan González de Hermosillo. Casó a María Muñoz Cabeza de Vaca hija de
Francisco Muñoz y de aquí nació la línea alteña.
Then it seemed as though Juan González de Hermosillo and Ana Rodríguez
Magdaleno were agreed upon as the parents of the Juan González de
Hermosillo that married María Muñoz. But lately, I've seen several websites
list Gonzalo García de Hermosillo as the origin of our González de
Hermosillo.

Since, my Diego Ildefonso Ramírez de Hermosillo uses Ramírez, it makes
sense that the line would travel through Catalina Ramírez and Juan González
de Hermosillo, but I don't know.

Is there anyone in the forum that has a theory?

Paige Herrera

Wow you're research is amazing! Welcome to Nuestros Ranchos and you are obviously a wonderful addition.
Linda Castanon-Long in B.C.

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From: Manny Diez
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:17 AM
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] New Member Introduction and request for assistance on Gonzalez de Hermosillo

First of all, I want to thank all of you for all of the amazing work you've
done: when I began this project at the beginning of the summer, I saved my
maternal grandfather's ancestry for last, because I assumed it would be the
most difficult. We don't know much about our patriarch, J. Refugio G.
Hermosillo, before he crossed the border in 1926; he was 43 at the time,
and had already lived a lifetime. We had no contact with his family, his
parents and siblings dying long before we were born. All we knew was that
he was from a small town in Zacatecas called Montesa, and that, according
to him, he descended from one of the founding families. So, I wasn't
expecting to find much. But was I wrong! I started with his birth
certificate and the 3 generations named on it, and found the LDS website;
by the end of the first weekend, I had traced him all the way back to his
g2 grandparents, and only stopped, because the curas didn't list
grandparents before the late 18th Century (as you all know). But anyway, I
want to thank all of you, because I know SOMEONE had to index those
archives relative to Nueva Galicia, and I have a feeling it was YOU. MIL
GRACIAS A TODOS USTEDES, los nuevosrancheros y los somosprimoseros, for the
trailblazing work you've done and are doing, in regards to researching and
sharing the genealogy and history of Nueva Galicia and colonial Mexico in
general! (and for helping me make my 82 year-old mother and her 8 surviving
siblings very happy, learning about their colorful ancestors!)

A little background on my line: my grandfather, Jose Refugio Gonzalez, was
born in Montesa, Zacatecas, 4 Jul 1883, to Antonio Gonzalez and Susana
Sanchez. He was born with the Gonzalez surname, but some time while still
in Mexico, we figure around 1905, he changed it to "Hermosillo"; we never
knew why he changed it (we've often joked that he obviously didn't want
someone to find him…), nor why he chose "Hermosillo," but that's the name
he gave to his wife, Ana Olivas, of Juarez, as well as to their 11
children, born in California, and it's the name proudly worn by 5
generations of their descendants. "J. Refugio G. Hermosillo" was how he
always signed his name, and is the name on his death certificate and
tombstone.

That said, I started this endeavor not expecting to research the surname
"Hermosillo,"  since we assumed it had no history in the family prior to
1905 (and not even knowing the history of the surname in los Altos) - that
is, until I found the 1798 marriage record for grandfather's great
grandparents, Rafael Gonzalez & Maria Dolores de Avila, which clearly lists
the groom as:

"RAFAEL GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO, hijo legitimo de VICENTE GONZALES DE
HERMOSILLO y de JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON."

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V5FZ-TSC

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-15272-51812-83?cc=1804458&wc…

I was floored! I was thrilled! Alli esta mi segundo apellido! Y sera
alguien de categoria! Who was this GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO?? What did he
do?? How are we connected to him? What didn't abuelo tell us??

And that's where my journey really began. I googled the name and was led to
Nuestros Ranchos, amongst other websites, and I began reading through the
message boards. I learned about the conquistador, and his descendants
settling in los Altos, and about Gonzalez Leal's tomes, and the 117 spanish
families identified as the first-comers (and many whose surnames appear in
my tree), and how they intermarried throughout the Spanish Mandate (as I
witnessed, in my tree). And as I continue my research and get to know my
ancestors, I begin to feel a part of that history, that I am a product of
these adventurers, these hacendados, asistentas, capitanes, peones,
esclavos, and maybe even a Tlataoni… I was hooked! I need more! This is
better than a dusty old history book or any old video game!

So here I am, hoping to learn more about who it took to make me who I am,
and how they lived their lives, and hoping to share my findings with others
with the same intention, as well as with the same love for history. Muchos
somos parientes: les mando un fuerte abrazo.  Y perdoname por no escribir
en español, pero ya esta tarde y !hablo mucho!

My focus families are the following (I group them because these branches
tend to intermarry or are associated:

En Pinos & Ojuelos & Aguascalientes:

Gonzalez de Hermosillo,

Gil de Esparza

Diaz de Leon

De Avila

Carrillo Lisardi

Gonzalez Murguia

Duron

Alvarado

Martin de Sotomayor, Martin de Camacho, Lozano, de Ruedas y de Islas, and
associated lines

En Pinos & los Altos & Aguascalientes:

Gomez [de Sotomayor]

Tiscareño de Huerta (and the Tiscareño, Ruiz de Esparza and associated
lines)

Ruiz de Villaseñor

Sanchez de la Mejorada

Muñoz de ?

En Pinos & Aguascalientes:

Delgado (Diego & Isabel de Isla Martinez Lozano)

Delgado y Ocampo & Valensuela & Chevarria Merquelan

Gaitan & Arias de Bedolla (roots in SLP & GTO, including Cortes y Galvan)

Rodriguez de Herrera o de Jara

Other surnames I'm working on are Dominguez Samudio & Lopez del Castillo,
Candelas & Buenrostro, Bernal de la Serda, Lopez de los Reyes, Ortiz de
Anda.

And again, thank all of you, for laying down the groundwork, and making it
easier for us newbies, to find our way to our ancestors. .

Gracias y saludos,

Manuel Diez Hermosillo "Manny"

http://www.nuestrosranchos.org/jrefugioghermosillo

Introductions aside, I have my first request for assistance:

WHICH VICENTE GONZALES DE HERMOSILLO MARRIED JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON?

I have his name appearing in the documents of his children, grandchildren
and widow, but I have none of his vitals. And I've seen his name using
various combinations of "Jose Vicente Ferrer Gonzalez de Hermosillo"
(though not all at the same time). The problem is, there are numerous
"Vicente Gonzalez's" living during his possible time period and living in
the communities where he most likely lived (Pinos, Ojuelos y los Altos en
general, maybe Aguascalientes). I've been constructing the trees of each
and every one of them, to see which would correspond with mine, and I've
narrowed it down to three (for now). But I'm still stalled.

Here's what I have on my G4's Vicente Gonzalez and Juana Dorothea Diaz:

JOSE VICENTE FERRER GONZALEZ DE HERMOSILLO

b. 1734-1744. He married JUANA DOROTHEA DIAZ DE LEON, daughter of Andres
Diaz Duron and Maria Estephania Carrillo Diaz, some time between 1760-1764,
either in Pinos, Zacatecas, or in Ojuelos, Jalisco. She was born 4 June
1744 in Pinos, Zacatecas.

Their children were:

  1. Ma. Josepha Ignasia Pheliciana Gonzalez de Hermosillo,  b. 19 Nov
  1764, Ojuelos, Jalisco.
  2. Jose Vicente Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. 11 Jun 1766, Pinos, Zacatecas
  3. Julian Antonio Rafael Gonzalez Diaz, b. 16 Apr 1768, Ojuelos, Jalisco.
  4. Maria Guadalupe de Santiago Gonzalez Diaz, b. 16 Jan 1771, Ojuelos,
  Jalisco.
  5. Antonio Rafael Gonzalez de Hermosillo, b. 3 Mar 1773, Ojuelos,
  Jalisco.
  6. Jose Romano Gonzalez Diaz, b. 12 Aug 1777, Montesa, Pinos, Zacatecas
  7. Maria Josefa Ignasia Gonzalez Diaz, b. 29 Mar 1779, Montesa, Pinos,
  Zacatecas.

They zigzag through those two communities, which is unusual in my lines.
The distance isn't great, but it wasn't like they could hop in the chevy
and drive to abuela's house, right? What did he do, that kept him (or her)
moving between ranchos?

Since their first child Maria Josefa Ignacia Phelicana was born on the
Buenavista in Ojuelos, in Nov 1764, I thought that might be a good starting
point for his birthplace and marriage. But again, it can be anywhere.

Juana Dorothea Diaz, widowed, would marry a second time to Francisco Xavier
Alonso, on 30 Nov 1781, in Montesa, Pinos, Zacatecas. So Vicente Gonzalez
died some time between 1779-1781, and probably in Montesa, Pinos. Juana
Dorothea was born in 1744, Vicente could've been born around the same time,
and just died tragically young. But, what if he was older, and had been
married before, and with children?

That is where I am. If anyone can lead me in the right direction, it would
be greatly appreciated, and I hope to pay it forward!

PS - On the partida for Rafael & Maria Dolores, note the padrinos: Jose
Trinidad Gil Esparza and Maria Ygnacia Gonzalez - Rafael's younger sister
and her fiance, who would marry two months later, their partida on the
opposite page: the couples took turns being each other's padrinos! Also,
Jose Trinidad was the brother of another g3 grandfather, Alexo Gil de
Esparza. I'm stuck on that line, as well: Gil's and Ruiz de Esparza's, from
Aguascalientes?

Welcome Primo...and BRAVO for the best intro I've seen here.