Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ricci"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:37:51 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
I noticed the same thing. as to the surname is was spelled many ways and was italian. Isassi is the most common spelling, or at least the one Jaime holcombe used. He did not have these girls, and elvira listed as children of Nicolas martin del campo and sebastiana Isassi but the records have prven that for elvira and antonia. I still need to check out maria married to antonio Vasquez zermeno but when I saw that I speculated that she could be antonias sister. I share the same thoughts as you do regarding the information we find even in published material that is why i check everything. If Jaime Holcombe, Mariano gonzlez Leal and my tio abuelo Doctor Rito Romo Franco can make mistakes as detail oriented as they are, then we all can and will make mistakes. I have made many and that is why I work so dilligently at correcting mistakes, mine and others. As you have seen I am not the greatest typist and make errors as I type away. I don't bother to correct e-mails but I triple check how I input data. my poor typing has actuallly make some great finds because the people that input data many times misread or mistyped the information when they would input it. Some of my biggest finds have been because I learned to deliberately type in info as if I was misreading or carelessly typing. I learned this when I took someone to the library about 13 years ago and theyknocked into the keyboard and out popped out the information on someone I had been looking hard for for at least 6 months. If they hadn't slapped at the keyboard out of frustration I may have never found that info. It was the last piece of the puzzle in my wives casillas family. The inputter had misread the information. Then I used that as a strategy. That is how I made my breakthrough in my romo line. I assumed that someone had misread the information and went over where I believed they may have made a mistake. I was right. That was when I made my family's connection to Santo Toribio Thanks Bill for all your help ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Bill Figueroa Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 10:06 AM To: research@nuestrosranchos.org Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Rick, Have you seen the actual marriage record? Family Search also lists the marriage of Maria de Yzasi (not Antonia) who married Antonio Vazquez de Zermeño (Sermeño) on 25 May 1681. The strange thing is that they're listed for the SAME DATE AND PLACE (Batch M604181 Source Call 0221512). Was it a double marriage? Were Maria and Antonia sisters or was it a mistake made by the submitter? Apparently, both IGI records originated from the same submitter. To find these records, search for Maria de YZASI, then separately for Antonia de YSAZI. Notice that the surnames are spelled differently. The parents of the groom and bride are provided. I am wary of any information found on Family Search until it is verified against the actual record. I find errors every day. The same goes for some of the information published in books, even those published by distinguished genealogists and historians. Unless, of course, it is backed up with the proper sources. Family Search is a good tool, but should not be trusted blindly. The fact that the same LDS Film No. 221512 is given for both IGI records makes me believe that it was a double marriage for Maria and Antonia. Maybe someone in the group can look up the record. Bill Figueroa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricci, Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Joseph de Aguilar Solorzano was married to Maria Antonia Ysazi (Isassi) Martin del Campo on 25 May 1681 Sta Ma. de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco Mexico Maria Antonia Isassi is the daughter of Nicolas Martin del campo and Sebastiana Isassi. Joseph Aguilar Solorzano is the son of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano and Luisa de Araiza y Medina according to the marriage notes. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
Yssazi dos hermanas
Jaime/Richard
Maria y Antonia Yssazi son dos hermanas que se casaron el mismo dia. Inclusive se encuentra casi toda la informacion en la misma pagina 221512, Tomo 1, pagina 32. Solo hay un poco de informacion del matrimonio de Antonia que se encuentra en la siguiente pagina. Les voy a mandar las photos que tome por correo electronico.
Yssazi dos hermanas
Hola Eduardo, yo también quisiera una copia de las informaciones, si es possible, ya que también engo de los Izazzi en Los Altos.
Gracias-Daniel
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Yssazi dos hermanas
Eduardo,
Te agradecería me enviaras copia de lo que encontraste en el rollo 221512,
Tomo I, página 32 para incluirla en mi base de datos. Gracias.
Bill Figueroa
ARAIZA y MEDINA
I'll look them up tomorrow. A couple of days ago I came across a somewhat similar situation. The marriage was recorded twice within a few records of the first. The only difference was the change in the witnesses, testigos. Someone must have arrived late to the marriage, gotten upset. In your case maybe someone wrote the wrong name and had to re-write the information. I guess we will see, do not assume.
ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
thanks
I had read it in a book and never questioned it. One thing you should never do in genealogy is assume. Always look for primary sources.
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From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Jaime R. Alvarado
Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 3:52 PM
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.
Jaime
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Ricci"
To: research@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 12:37:51 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
I noticed the same thing. as to the surname is was spelled many ways and was italian. Isassi is the most common spelling, or at least the one Jaime holcombe used. He did not have these girls, and elvira listed as children of Nicolas martin del campo and sebastiana Isassi but the records have prven that for elvira and antonia. I still need to check out maria married to antonio Vasquez zermeno but when I saw that I speculated that she could be antonias sister. I share the same thoughts as you do regarding the information we find even in published material that is why i check everything. If Jaime Holcombe, Mariano gonzlez Leal and my tio abuelo Doctor Rito Romo Franco can make mistakes as detail oriented as they are, then we all can and will make mistakes. I have made many and that is why I work so dilligently at correcting mistakes, mine and others. As you have seen I am not the greatest typist and make errors as I type away. I don't bother to correct e-mails but I triple check how I input data. my poor typing has actuallly make some great finds because the people that input data many times misread or mistyped the information when they would input it. Some of my biggest finds have been because I learned to deliberately type in info as if I was misreading or carelessly typing. I learned this when I took someone to the library about 13 years ago and theyknocked into the keyboard and out popped out the information on someone I had been looking hard for for at least 6 months. If they hadn't slapped at the keyboard out of frustration I may have never found that info. It was the last piece of the puzzle in my wives casillas family. The inputter had misread the information. Then I used that as a strategy. That is how I made my breakthrough in my romo line. I assumed that someone had misread the information and went over where I believed they may have made a mistake. I was right. That was when I made my family's connection to Santo Toribio Thanks Bill for all your help ________________________________ From: research-bounces@lists.nuestrosranchos.org on behalf of Bill Figueroa Sent: Thu 2/26/2009 10:06 AM To: research@nuestrosranchos.org Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Rick, Have you seen the actual marriage record? Family Search also lists the marriage of Maria de Yzasi (not Antonia) who married Antonio Vazquez de Zermeño (Sermeño) on 25 May 1681. The strange thing is that they're listed for the SAME DATE AND PLACE (Batch M604181 Source Call 0221512). Was it a double marriage? Were Maria and Antonia sisters or was it a mistake made by the submitter? Apparently, both IGI records originated from the same submitter. To find these records, search for Maria de YZASI, then separately for Antonia de YSAZI. Notice that the surnames are spelled differently. The parents of the groom and bride are provided. I am wary of any information found on Family Search until it is verified against the actual record. I find errors every day. The same goes for some of the information published in books, even those published by distinguished genealogists and historians. Unless, of course, it is backed up with the proper sources. Family Search is a good tool, but should not be trusted blindly. The fact that the same LDS Film No. 221512 is given for both IGI records makes me believe that it was a double marriage for Maria and Antonia. Maybe someone in the group can look up the record. Bill Figueroa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricci, Richard" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci) Joseph de Aguilar Solorzano was married to Maria Antonia Ysazi (Isassi) Martin del Campo on 25 May 1681 Sta Ma. de los Lagos, Lagos de Moreno, Jalisco Mexico Maria Antonia Isassi is the daughter of Nicolas Martin del campo and Sebastiana Isassi. Joseph Aguilar Solorzano is the son of Juan de Aguilar Solorzano and Luisa de Araiza y Medina according to the marriage notes. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Nuestros Ranchos Research Mailing List To post, send email to: research(at)nuestrosranchos.org To change your subscription, log on to: http://www.nuestrosranchos.org
ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
Thanks, Jaime. I didn't think it was Italian. There were very few Italians in Mexico at that time, but lots of Basques.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jaime R. Alvarado"
To:
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] ARAIZA y MEDINA (Bill Figueroa and RickRicci)
Isassi, Yssasi, Ysasi, Isassi or Isasi, is a Basque name. Not italian.
Jaime