Hola Linda , I understand that the Espanoles kept to themselves but by looking at the records ,there are tons of Mulatos to the point( I think) there could of been some Mulato Groups/colonies/Individuals still around, It looks like they were magicians and went poof,gone . For in example :I was told by a distant relative who lived in El Rancho del Refugio (between San Miguel el Alto, San Jose de Los Reynoso and San Julian area(Jalisco),that a Rancho named La Puerta del Sauz(de Ramirez) that there 200 Slaves housed/lived there. I believe it was probably around 1800 give or take a few years. Well I still ponder where did these guys go or what happened to them. I don' t know ,maybe they just inter married I guess.
Ronnie
Mulato equal Mix
In Mexico a least, the denomination of mulato was given to many different racial mixes, not just those coming from african-erupean couples. investigating all the family members with this denominations lets us know many times what was the actual background, in many cases there where simply mestizos, but my theory is that their european side (spanish in this case) was likely a mix of it with arab/jew/indu and or the mix of any of these, also I come to believe that many mestizos of darker skin where called mulatos, I've seen families of "coyotes" often called mulatos. If we take in account that many "spanish" where in fact mix already with the arabs, africans and other races, we come to a fact that after the conversion there were many dark-skined spanish, I would suggest these where some of those later called in Mexico mulatos too.
Another important fact is that the way of denomination doesn't follow the "cast rules" this is that the child of an spanish and a native would not necessarily be called mestizo, sometimes they where also called "indio", spanish, coyote, mulato, etc. same goes for other combinations and thus in real practice, the cast denomination was used more like an physical description rather than an accurate biological race study. We also see many people who are denominated differently in each of their records.
Some reason why this "many" mulatos "disappear" was because they never existed as such in first place, obviously the facts changes by case.
RJ Quiralta
Los Altos -Mulatos ??
Ronnie,
I was reading a book on Mexican history (can't remember which one right now)
that was saying that the various revolutions took many of the indios and
mulatos, and those that were left were not enough to work the haciendas. I
image that could account for a good number.
And, I think that the term "espanol" is often misunderstood. I have seen so
many lines where there is a mixed marriage and then a couple generations
later they are "espanoles" again.
Just my two pesos :)
-Angelina-
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From: Ronald Reynoso
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2014 2:14 PM
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos -Mulatos ??
Hola Linda , I understand that the Espanoles kept to themselves but by
looking at the records ,there are tons of Mulatos to the point( I think)
there could of been some Mulato Groups/colonies/Individuals still around, It
looks like they were magicians and went poof,gone . For in example :I was
told by a distant relative who lived in El Rancho del Refugio (between
San Miguel el Alto, San Jose de Los Reynoso and San Julian
area(Jalisco),that a Rancho named La Puerta del Sauz(de Ramirez) that there
200 Slaves housed/lived there. I believe it was probably around 1800 give or
take a few years. Well I still ponder where did these guys go or what
happened to them. I don' t know ,maybe they just inter married I guess.
Ronnie
Los Altos -Mulatos ??
well i've seen cases where someone had one amerindian parents and one 'espanol' parent and all their kids were marked as 'espanol'. more often i just see some of the kids marked as espanol and the rest marked as 'indio', 'mestizo' etc.
Los Altos -Mulatos ??
Hi Ronnie, wrote:
I'm not sure what year, but probably about 1810 (around revolutionary times), there must have been an effort to stop racial labeling on official
and church documents. I have even seen people referred to as "cuidadano" on civil baptismal records.
I've come across that all over Mexico just about then. I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
Alice
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On Fri, 12/19/14, Ronald Reynoso
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Los Altos -Mulatos ??
To: "general@nuestrosranchos.org"
Date: Friday, December 19, 2014, 4:14 PM
Hola Linda , I understand that the
Espanoles kept to themselves but by looking at the records
,there are tons of Mulatos to the point( I think)
there could of been some Mulato Groups/colonies/Individuals
still around, It looks like they were magicians and went
poof,gone . For in example :I was told by a distant
relative who lived in El Rancho del
Refugio (between San Miguel el Alto, San Jose de Los
Reynoso and San Julian area(Jalisco),that a Rancho named La
Puerta del Sauz(de Ramirez) that there 200 Slaves
housed/lived there. I believe it was probably around 1800
give or take a few years. Well I still ponder where did
these guys go or what happened to them. I don' t know ,maybe
they just inter married I guess.
Ronnie
Mulato descendents. In Jalostotitlan
An ancestor of mine from Jalostotitlan is identified in his marriage record as being mulato libre. At first I found it hard to believe because my father has blue eyes and the the "whitest" skin of anyone that I've met and that includes Scandinavians. My father received his skin color from his mother that did not have a mulato ancestor. This mulato ancestor is from my fathers paternal grandmother' line. He left many descendents in the Jalostotitlan area. This mulato ancestor of mine married a blonde blue eyed espanola in 1750. I expected him to be half espanol and half black but further research led me to find that his mother is listed as espanol and his father is listed not as black but also mulato libre. He was not a black slave. This line dead ends in teocaltiche Jalisco . The record clearly states mulato libre so being mulato in the late 1600's in Mexico did not mean that you were a slave and did stop espanoles with blue eyes from marrying them.
R.A.Ricci
Mulato descendents. In Jalostotitlan
The children of female slaves were born into slavery no matter who the father was. If a male slave married a mulata libre, india, mestiza, or coyote then the children were born free. As already mentioned the records weren't always accurate when identifying a caste and they were based on looks, manner of speech, and where a person lived. However, if you follow the ancestries close enough there are plenty of families that the members are called mulato libre or mulata libre for four or five generations and they lived in ranchos that were known to have a large population of mulatos. Some would marry mestizos, some indios, and a few would marry españoles. Over time they would lose the mulato label and simply become mestizos, indios, castizos, tresalbas, or españoles. There were some families still called mulatos though.
Slavery and the caste system was done away with the independence of Mexico in 1821 but some parishes continued the practice of the caste system for several years. Once it stopped everyone started to be called a ciudadano. The people that had been called mulatos were now called ciudadano like everyone else and there is a noticeable difference in mixing the castes at that point. One hundred and ninety years later most people are a mix. Some with more mulato ancestry than others but most people have at least one in their ancestry. The people that have more mulatos in their ancestry generally have more African DNA than the average Mexican which has more African DNA than the average Spaniard but less than the average person from the Caribbean where they had more slaves.
Armando