Race Issues: Re - Jewish Ancestry

Thanks for the info, Rose. I have right here two examples of very
early Serda's in Aguascalientes:

JUAN SERDA BIELMA Pedigree
Christening: 05 APR 1654 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
Mexico
Parents:
Father: NICOLAS DE LA SERDA Family
Mother: MARIA DE BIELMA
C604761 1616 - 1660 0299421 Film NONE

JUAN SERDA BARGAS Pedigree
Christening: 25 JUN 1684 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
Mexico
Parents: Father: JUAN DE LA SERDA Family
Mother: LORENSA DE BARGAS
C604763 1684 - 1691 0299423 Film NONE

Are these two the same as the Lopez de Serda's in Lagos? I suspect the
lines I am tracing (Serna/Serda/Serde) may back into them, but that's
where I'm stuck right now.

John Schmal

-----Original Message-----
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] del la Serda/Serna

John

The name that comes to my mind are the Lopez de la Serda's. Some where
in Aguascalientes but they seem to have come from Teocaltiche. Just a
thought since it's around this time that families started to drop their
extended names....like Munos de Hermosillo (one of my family lines) is
now just Munoz(s).

I have not seen the names you mention but have about 3 Calvillo lines
and I do have a Loera (Luera) line from Mecatabasco.

In regards to the Agostadero, there is one by Sierra de Pinos. I have
family members from Agostadero (which one?)....and these are lines I am
stuck on.....I'm waiting for the Zacatecas records to go digital to see
if they are there.

Rose

Thanks for the info, Rose. I have right here two examples of very
early Serda's in Aguascalientes:

JUAN SERDA BIELMA Pedigree
Christening: 05 APR 1654 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
Mexico
Parents:
Father: NICOLAS DE LA SERDA Family
Mother: MARIA DE BIELMA
C604761 1616 - 1660 0299421 Film NONE

JUAN SERDA BARGAS Pedigree
Christening: 25 JUN 1684 El Sagrario, Aguascalientes, Aguascalientes,
Mexico
Parents: Father: JUAN DE LA SERDA Family
Mother: LORENSA DE BARGAS
C604763 1684 - 1691 0299423 Film NONE

Are these two the same as the Lopez de Serda's in Lagos? I suspect the
lines I am tracing (Serna/Serda/Serde) may back into them, but that's
where I'm stuck right now.

John Schmal

-----Original Message-----
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] del la Serda/Serna

John

The name that comes to my mind are the Lopez de la Serda's. Some where
in Aguascalientes but they seem to have come from Teocaltiche. Just a
thought since it's around this time that families started to drop their
extended names....like Munos de Hermosillo (one of my family lines) is
now just Munoz(s).

I have not seen the names you mention but have about 3 Calvillo lines
and I do have a Loera (Luera) line from Mecatabasco.

In regards to the Agostadero, there is one by Sierra de Pinos. I have
family members from Agostadero (which one?)....and these are lines I am
stuck on.....I'm waiting for the Zacatecas records to go digital to see
if they are there.

Rose

I would love to see La Ciudad de Aguascalientes records and San Jose de
Gracia records from the 1700s to go digital, but I have a feeling the
emphasis is on 1800s, and that they may not go digital for years.

Let's cross our fingers.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] del la Serda/Serna

John

The name that comes to my mind are the Lopez de la Serda's. Some where
in Aguascalientes but they seem to have come from Teocaltiche. Just a
thought since it's around this time that families started to drop their
extended names....like Munos de Hermosillo (one of my family lines) is
now just Munoz(s).

I have not seen the names you mention but have about 3 Calvillo lines
and I do have a Loera (Luera) line from Mecatabasco.

In regards to the Agostadero, there is one by Sierra de Pinos. I have
family members from Agostadero (which one?)....and these are lines I am
stuck on.....I'm waiting for the Zacatecas records to go digital to see
if they are there.

Rose

I would love to see La Ciudad de Aguascalientes records and San Jose de
Gracia records from the 1700s to go digital, but I have a feeling the
emphasis is on 1800s, and that they may not go digital for years.

Let's cross our fingers.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] del la Serda/Serna

John

The name that comes to my mind are the Lopez de la Serda's. Some where
in Aguascalientes but they seem to have come from Teocaltiche. Just a
thought since it's around this time that families started to drop their
extended names....like Munos de Hermosillo (one of my family lines) is
now just Munoz(s).

I have not seen the names you mention but have about 3 Calvillo lines
and I do have a Loera (Luera) line from Mecatabasco.

In regards to the Agostadero, there is one by Sierra de Pinos. I have
family members from Agostadero (which one?)....and these are lines I am
stuck on.....I'm waiting for the Zacatecas records to go digital to see
if they are there.

Rose

Rose, do you have this Loera linen from Calvillo?

FRANCISCO LOERA -- Son of Jose Esteban Loera and Rosalia Romo

JOSÉ ESTEBAN LOERA -- Son of Antonio Eugenio Loera and Anna Gertrudis
Muños - married January 9, 1788

ANTONIO EUGENIO LOERA -- Son of Florencio de Loera and Maria de San
Juan Villalobos -- Married: October 6, 1765 in La Ciudad.

I deadend at Florencio. I saw him listed a couple times as Orencio as a
parent, but can't seem to get beyond this point. If you or anyone else
has this line, I'd love to know if you have made more progress beyond
this.

Thanks.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: rosehardy@hotmail.com
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] del la Serda/Serna

John

The name that comes to my mind are the Lopez de la Serda's. Some where
in Aguascalientes but they seem to have come from Teocaltiche. Just a
thought since it's around this time that families started to drop their
extended names....like Munos de Hermosillo (one of my family lines) is
now just Munoz(s).

I have not seen the names you mention but have about 3 Calvillo lines
and I do have a Loera (Luera) line from Mecatabasco.

In regards to the Agostadero, there is one by Sierra de Pinos. I have
family members from Agostadero (which one?)....and these are lines I am
stuck on.....I'm waiting for the Zacatecas records to go digital to see
if they are there.

Rose

There is a El Agostadero at Mascota, Jalisco, and another at
San Juan de Los Lagos,Jalisco. By viewing these sites, you
ought to determine the one you are looking for.
I was unable to locate Arroyo de Soto.
Hope this helps/hs

David Serna email > Mooskies4 at aol  from the Chicago metro area. My Family is also decended from Sernas From Arroyo de soto & Agostadero. I was just togeather with my uncle and discussed the exact location of Agostadero. He says he know how to get there but would have to drive me there. My  relation  to this line is as follows. Jose Manuel Serna b. abt 1786> Florentino Serna b.abt. 1817   > Favian Serna b. 1848,   > Sabas Serna Died aft. 1926  >    Hija Guadalupe Serna  b. 1902 La Presa Se Caso con me Tio Genaro (b. Media Luna, 1902). Married 1926, Calvillo.
> del email de David Serna; Mooskies4 en AOL del área del metro de Chicago. Mi familia también decended de Sernas de soto del Arroyo; Agostadero. Estaba Platicando  con mi tío y discutí la localización exacta de Agostadero. Él dice que él sabe conseguir allí pero que tendría que conducirme allí. Mi relación directa del descendiente a esta línea está como sigue. Nacido  1786 Jose Manuel Serna .;> Florentino Serna b.abt. 1817     > Favian Serna B. 1848, > Sabas Serna murió approx 1926  >>>  Hija Guadalupe Serna B. Approx.1902 en La  Presa   Se  Caso con me Tio Genaro Serna ( Nacido en Rancho media Luna, 1902 ). Casado 1926, Calvillo.