Emilie,
Would it be inappropriate to ask why your grandfather and the others were facing a firing squad? I find this comment quite interesting and have not seen anything similar on this list in the past.
Bernardino
--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Emilie Garcia
From: Emilie Garcia
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 6:11 PM
Linda,
My grandfather from Jerez and his brother and brother in law had a choice; stay in Zacatecas and face a firing squad or get on a train to the border in 1913. None of them ever went back, and they remained in seclusion until the 1940s. They weren't alone; thousands came over the border, and the US welcomed them, right?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
Well said but you did not post your name? Who do we thank for sharing this line of thought that reflects so much on many of us.. I'd forgotten the word Pocho, another put down..
When I was in my paternal ancestral home in Jerez, the locals destinguished between the families who left during the revolution, like mine, and those who stayed through the hard times. The locals who's ancestors stayed felt very proud and sad for those of us who's ancestors left.
Linda in B.C.
--- On Mon, 7/6/09, gandalf3.1@netzero.com
From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:19 PM
I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two cultures , just some thoughts ;
I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit to know more than one language and he was right.
The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure. Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the right to
tell
me I didn't belong ? We
kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish version of Hispanic.
My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco. These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side, and there was no way to change it, period.
So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.
That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
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Mike,
No, I don't mind you asking. I just assumed others had had the same experience. I think I have mentioned it here before.
My father was old enough to be my grandfather, he was from Jerez, and he married my mother who was a native of New Mexico, her roots going back thousands of years in the Tewa pueblos, with some Spanish ancestors who arrived there in 1598. So, I not only had a generational gap with my father, but a cultural one. I didn't speak Spanish, and he didn't speak much English. He also felt that children should be seen and not heard, and that there was no need for me to know what he and his elders had experienced in Mexico. He was brought here in 1913 when he was 10 years old. He would have nightmares and wake up screaming all his life, and he had gunshot wounds on his wrist and shoulder that he brushed off when asked. He did say that a drunken soldier took out his pistol and almost killed him at the village well, but the prostitute that was there told the soldier to leave him alone.
A cousin, the son of my father's paternal aunt, recently told me that his father, (my father's uncle), and my father's father, and brother of my grandfather had been captured in Zacatecas somewhere, and were scheduled to be executed by firing squad. However, my father's paternal aunt used her influence to buy the executioners off and they packed a few things in a "petaquia"? and boarded a train for Chihuahua City, then to the border. At the border, the Mexican authorities confiscated the "petaquia" ?(a large traveling chest with a hinged lid), along with other valuables and uniforms and guns and ammunition and ammunition belts.
My cousin said that my father's uncles and father were officers, I don't know on which side, maybe revolutionaries, and that is why they were going to be shot. Some of the worst battles of the Revolution occurred in Zacatecas, to my understanding. I never heard my father or his uncles and cousins discuss their experiences of the war, they only talked about how beautiful the jardin in Jerez had been, and how they missed it and the music played there in the gazebo.
I went there once with my father around the 1960s, forty years since he had left, and I loved the historical 16th century buildings, but he was so disappointed that the jardin no longer looked like he remembered. I remember wondering why so many dark-skinned people had blue eyes, like he said his great-grandfather had. My father said that he had been French, but my research shows they were Spanish Basques (Olague) who had arrived in Mexico and to Zacatecas in the 1500s. One of his Olague ancestors was also in the Onate party that went to New Mexico in 1598, but he didn't say like my mother's Spanish ancestor (Marquez) did.
If I only knew now what I know, I would have had the confidence to pursue his experiences of the war, but apparently he never even told my mother, who never told me anything about it either. She avoided his family; she wanted us to assimilate, and they had not.
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Bernard Lopez
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Firing squad
Emilie,
Would it be inappropriate to ask why your grandfather and the others were facing a firing squad? I find this comment quite interesting and have not seen anything similar on this list in the past.
Bernardino
--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Emilie Garcia> wrote:
From: Emilie Garcia>
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 6:11 PM
Linda,
My grandfather from Jerez and his brother and brother in law had a choice; stay in Zacatecas and face a firing squad or get on a train to the border in 1913. None of them ever went back, and they remained in seclusion until the 1940s. They weren't alone; thousands came over the border, and the US welcomed them, right?
Emilie
Port Orchard, WA
Firing squad
hI eMILIE et al. My family more or less went through this as well, the epicenter was the Seige of Zacatecas with Pancho Villa. They were (he and his troops) burning down all the haciendas and one of them was my mother's family's. Los Camino y Soto. I have been told around November 1911 or so when they arrived so abt a year after the revolution started. They would kidnap the young "donacellas" they tried to kidnap my great grandmother later in the revolution, since she was very beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed, she gre up to be one of the most beautiful girls on the hacienda, looking like her grandmother. She still lives at the age in her 90s. The troops (revolutionaries) would also steal gold, jewlwery and go door to door raping women and attacking many people. Oh, I forgot when they tried to kidnap my grt grandma her father shot the guy in the head, he was very mad!. She is a granddaughter of the "hacendado". He had around 50 grandchilddren. Eventually they forced the family to stay home and werent allowed to leave unless permission, Mariano Camino was the owner of th hacienda and we arent sure if he died during the take over but we know he did die during the time Villa was there. His wife Arcadia, the one who my grt grandma inherited her looks, would die in 1917 towards the end of the revlolution and died of the early shots of the Spanish influenza. They eventually burned part of the hacienda but until a bunch of "parientes" revolted and rescued part of the hacienda, I think thats why we call half of it "La hacienda vieja" y La nueva. The family did flee temporarly to Aguas but had to return when the revolutionaries took over Aguascalientes. Since the hacienda what is now partly La Presa de los Sernas, reached into Aguas in Calvillo. In Aguas is where Pancho Villa met at a convention and made a Plan or something like that. They eventually reached Zacatecas city after burning all the haciendas and took the city. My great grandma said it was a scary time, you could have died at any second not knowing when a bullet would hit the window. 30 years later our family would leave for the states, after the Cardenas taking the rest of the land we had and his brainwashing and his socialist ideals.
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Gentleman,
In 1913 my great grandfather Dr L E Calleja and his family faced a similar
choice. He had been an advisor in President Madero's government. His
commander in cheif Victorano Huerta turned against him and in a conspiracy
with US ambassador Henry Lane Wilson seized control of the country and
murdered Madero and vice president Pino Suarez. All members of the Madero
government were targets for the Huerta faction. My g-grandfather sent his
family from Mexico City to Veracruz to board a ship to New York while he
fled toward Texas by land. This was the train on which President Madero was
killed. The Huerta soldiers moved through the train robbing the passengers
and looking for Maderistas. My great grandmother was sitting on a box of
gold coin, nursing my Aunt Carolina, surrounded by her young children when
the soldiers came through her car and did not disturb her, although they
shot other passengers on the same car. My g-grandfather re-joined them
months later in Piedras Negras, Coahuila, an area still under control of
Evaristo Madero, the slain presidents father. For the next decade, they
lived in Maverick, Texas, while my g-grandfather operated a medical clinic
in Piedras Negras on the other side of the border. It wasn't until 1930 he
felt safe enough to return to Mexico City. My Aunt Carolina, just a few
months old at the time
still lives in San Antonio 96 years old.
In 1926 at the beginning of the Cristero rebellion, the other side of the
family, The Robledo were forced to flee also. They were upper class and
atheistic, owned newspapers and some jewelry stores. When violence broke
out, they were targeted. My great grandfather was alone in Mexico City,
having sent the family to Tampico to relatives. He described running to one
of their stores, loading a suitcase quickly, and boarding a train to San
Antonio. For the next thirty years, instead of running the business empire,
now gone, he worked as a Pullman conductor between San Antonio and Mexico
City. He moved back after retiring in the 1950s.
Eric Robledo Edgar
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Mike Bernard Lopezwrote:
> Emilie, wrote: ;> wrote: <>
> Would it be inappropriate to ask why your grandfather and the others were
> facing a firing squad? I find this comment quite interesting and have not
> seen anything similar on this list in the past.
> Bernardino
>
> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, Emilie Garcia
>
>
> From: Emilie Garcia
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 6:11 PM
>
>
> Linda,
>
> My grandfather from Jerez and his brother and brother in law had a choice;
> stay in Zacatecas and face a firing squad or get on a train to the border in
> 1913. None of them ever went back, and they remained in seclusion until the
> 1940s. They weren't alone; thousands came over the border, and the US
> welcomed them, right?
>
> Emilie
> Port Orchard, WA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Erlinda Castanon-Long
> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
> gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 5:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
>
>
> Well said but you did not post your name? Who do we thank for sharing
> this line of thought that reflects so much on many of us.. I'd forgotten the
> word Pocho, another put down..
>
> When I was in my paternal ancestral home in Jerez, the locals
> destinguished between the families who left during the revolution, like
> mine, and those who stayed through the hard times. The locals who's
> ancestors stayed felt very proud and sad for those of us who's ancestors
> left.
>
> Linda in B.C.
>
> --- On Mon, 7/6/09, gandalf3.1@netzero.com
>
>
>
> From: gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> gandalf3.1@netzero.com
> Subject: [Nuestros Ranchos] Walking in Two Worlds
> To: general@lists.nuestrosranchos.org
> Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 5:19 PM
>
>
> I've been reading through some of the wonderful posts in regards to
> struggling with speaking Spanish and the challenges of living in two
> cultures , just some thoughts ;
>
> I grew up in the U.S. in a small mining town located in southeastern
> Arizona . When my father's family left the villa in Los Altos , they settled
> in Miami and Jerome Arizona. He came to the states when he was just 2 years
> old. All of the men in my fathers family were miners, as was my father when
> he returned to AZ after a stint in the military. My father's first language
> at home was Spanish, he said he really didn't start speaking English until
> after he began elementary school. He knew first hand the challenges of not
> being able to speak english well so he always stressed to my sister and I
> how important it was to know BOTH languages, it was he said , to our benefit
> to know more than one language and he was right.
>
> The trouble was, growing up in the Southwest the early 70's, we were not
> allowed to speak Spanish at school. If you did, you got a trip to the
> principle's office, or sent home...sad but all too true. We still spoke it
> at home, but as we continued in school and made non Spanish speaking
> friends, we used it less and less. That was my first brush with the idea
> that there was an US and a THEM. Many of you can relate to this I'm sure.
> Growing up in the States I was just like any other American kid, I listened
> to Rock and Roll, not corridas , had long hair and loved hot rods. I played
> football not soccer . Although I loved to hear stories about my family
> history , I knew nothing of Los Altos...it was another world to me. Many of
> my friends were in the same boat, some of our familes had been in the US for
> three or more generations. My mother's people were some of the first
> settlers in the Tucson area, before Arizona was even a state, who had the
> right to
> tell
> me I didn't belong ? We
> kidded each other in Spanglish...mixing both languages, a hybrid, just
> like the culture we were growing up in. Back then there was no lable like
> Hispanic, or even worse, Latino...if you were a Mexican American , you were
> a Chicano or, if you came from Spanish stock like we did, you were a
> Hispano, which is a Southwestern term to denote ties to Spain, not a Spanish
> version of Hispanic.
> My home town is 8 or so miles from the Mexican frontera of Sonora. As my
> friends and I entered high school, we came into contact with other kids who
> lived right on the border of Sonora and AZ in a small town called Naco.
> These kids roots were in Sonora proper, their familes were in the US for
> maybe a genration at the most, they still had strong ties to Mexico and
> towns like Agua Prieta , Hermosillo and Nogales. Once again I got a taste of
> US and THEM. We were told by some, not all, that we were not Mexicans, we
> were pochos, we were lost people who's parents sold out and wanted to be
> gringos. It had nothing to do with a difference of appearence,it had
> everything to do with the side of the border you happened to be born
> on...you were from Mexico or el otro lado, the motherland or the other side,
> and there was no way to change it, period.
> So not only did we have challenges in the Anglo world , constant
> reminders that we were different . Things like not being able to go swimming
> at the local Elk's Club pool, or not being able to date certain non Mexican
> girls, even though many of us, myself included ,were constantly confused
> with being anything but Mexican because of our light skin . We also had to
> deal with what I call reverse racism, from other Mexicans who felt we didn't
> have the right to call ourselves Mexicans , not all of them of course, I
> must stess this, but to a good amount of Mexicanos we were just pochos.
> That is what put me on the path to learning about my family's roots, I
> was no longer content with what I learned from text books, none of it
> fit...and forget about movies or pop culture ! To this day everyone with a
> Spanish surname in a movie is either the bad guy or the girl that gets
> bedded by the Anglo hero, it's getting better, but not by much. I came to
> understand totally why people do family research, why I do research... to
> find MY ancestors. The group that I belong to and cannot deny me entry by
> right of blood, WHO EVER and WHAT EVER they were...is what I AM. -- -- -- --
Firing squad
Muy bonita historia, gracias por compartirla con nosotros.
Ruben Casillas M.
--- El mar 7-jul-09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino escribió:
De:: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
Asunto: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Firing squad
A: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Fecha: martes 7 de julio de 2009, 16:37
hI eMILIE et al. My family more or less went through this as well, the epicenter was the Seige of Zacatecas with Pancho Villa. They were (he and his troops) burning down all the haciendas and one of them was my mother's family's. Los Camino y Soto. I have been told around November 1911 or so when they arrived so abt a year after the revolution started. They would kidnap the young "donacellas" they tried to kidnap my great grandmother later in the revolution, since she was very beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed, she gre up to be one of the most beautiful girls on the hacienda, looking like her grandmother. She still lives at the age in her 90s. The troops (revolutionaries) would also steal gold, jewlwery and go door to door raping women and attacking many people. Oh, I forgot when they tried to kidnap my grt grandma her father shot the guy in the head, he was very mad!. She is a granddaughter of the "hacendado". He had around 50 grandchilddren. Eventually
they forced the family to stay home and werent allowed to leave unless permission, Mariano Camino was the owner of th hacienda and we arent sure if he died during the take over but we know he did die during the time Villa was there. His wife Arcadia, the one who my grt grandma inherited her looks, would die in 1917 towards the end of the revlolution and died of the early shots of the Spanish influenza. They eventually burned part of the hacienda but until a bunch of "parientes" revolted and rescued part of the hacienda, I think thats why we call half of it "La hacienda vieja" y La nueva. The family did flee temporarly to Aguas but had to return when the revolutionaries took over Aguascalientes. Since the hacienda what is now partly La Presa de los Sernas, reached into Aguas in Calvillo. In Aguas is where Pancho Villa met at a convention and made a Plan or something like that. They eventually reached Zacatecas city after burning all the haciendas and
took the city. My great grandma said it was a scary time, you could have died at any second not knowing when a bullet would hit the window. 30 years later our family would leave for the states, after the Cardenas taking the rest of the land we had and his brainwashing and his socialist ideals.
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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Interesting....to the rich Lazaro Cardenas was an a-hole....to the poor
Cardenas was a hero. The great question how was all that wealth obtained????
In a message dated 7/7/2009 2:37:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mendezdelcamino@live.com writes:
hI eMILIE et al. My family more or less went through this as well, the
epicenter was the Seige of Zacatecas with Pancho Villa. They were (he and his
troops) burning down all the haciendas and one of them was my mother's
family's. Los Camino y Soto. I have been told around November 1911 or so when
they arrived so abt a year after the revolution started. They would kidnap
the young "donacellas" they tried to kidnap my great grandmother later in
the revolution, since she was very beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed, she gre
up to be one of the most beautiful girls on the hacienda, looking like her
grandmother. She still lives at the age in her 90s. The troops
(revolutionaries) would also steal gold, jewlwery and go door to door raping women and
attacking many people. Oh, I forgot when they tried to kidnap my grt
grandma her father shot the guy in the head, he was very mad!. She is a
granddaughter of the "hacendado". He had around 50 grandchilddren. Eventually they
forced the family to stay home and werent allowed to leave unless
permission, Mariano Camino was the owner of th hacienda and we arent sure if he died
during the take over but we know he did die during the time Villa was
there. His wife Arcadia, the one who my grt grandma inherited her looks, would
die in 1917 towards the end of the revlolution and died of the early shots of
the Spanish influenza. They eventually burned part of the hacienda but
until a bunch of "parientes" revolted and rescued part of the hacienda, I
think thats why we call half of it "La hacienda vieja" y La nueva. The family
did flee temporarly to Aguas but had to return when the revolutionaries took
over Aguascalientes. Since the hacienda what is now partly La Presa de los
Sernas, reached into Aguas in Calvillo. In Aguas is where Pancho Villa met
at a convention and made a Plan or something like that. They eventually
reached Zacatecas city after burning all the haciendas and took the city. My
great grandma said it was a scary time, you could have died at any second
not knowing when a bullet would hit the window. 30 years later our family
would leave for the states, after the Cardenas taking the rest of the land we
had and his brainwashing and his socialist ideals.
-Daniel Méndez del Camino
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En Jerez Zacatecas, con mis ancestros fue algo diferente, cuando entraron
los revolucionarios no les quitaron nada, a pesar que tenian dinero, si se
llevaron alimento nada mas porque muchos de los peones que trabajaban con
mi bisabuelo los apreciaban porque no les hacian daño, nas sin embargo al
suegro de mi tio bisabuelo le quitaron las plantas de los pies porque era
malo con sus peones, la revolucion no les quito nada pero si el albacea de
la familia que les dejo sin dinero gastando todo, y casi mis tias muriendose
de hambre
2009/7/17
> Interesting....to the rich Lazaro Cardenas was an a-hole....to the poor
> Cardenas was a hero. The great question how was all that wealth
> obtained????
>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2009 2:37:40 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
> mendezdelcamino@live.com writes:
>
>
> hI eMILIE et al. My family more or less went through this as well, the
> epicenter was the Seige of Zacatecas with Pancho Villa. They were (he and
> his
> troops) burning down all the haciendas and one of them was my mother's
> family's. Los Camino y Soto. I have been told around November 1911 or so
> when
> they arrived so abt a year after the revolution started. They would kidnap
> the young "donacellas" they tried to kidnap my great grandmother later in
> the revolution, since she was very beautiful, blonde and blue-eyed, she
> gre
> up to be one of the most beautiful girls on the hacienda, looking like her
> grandmother. She still lives at the age in her 90s. The troops
> (revolutionaries) would also steal gold, jewlwery and go door to door
> raping women and
> attacking many people. Oh, I forgot when they tried to kidnap my grt
> grandma her father shot the guy in the head, he was very mad!. She is a
> granddaughter of the "hacendado". He had around 50 grandchilddren.
> Eventually they
> forced the family to stay home and werent allowed to leave unless
> permission, Mariano Camino was the owner of th hacienda and we arent sure
> if he died
> during the take over but we know he did die during the time Villa was
> there. His wife Arcadia, the one who my grt grandma inherited her looks,
> would
> die in 1917 towards the end of the revlolution and died of the early shots
> of
> the Spanish influenza. They eventually burned part of the hacienda but
> until a bunch of "parientes" revolted and rescued part of the hacienda, I
> think thats why we call half of it "La hacienda vieja" y La nueva. The
> family
> did flee temporarly to Aguas but had to return when the revolutionaries
> took
> over Aguascalientes. Since the hacienda what is now partly La Presa de los
> Sernas, reached into Aguas in Calvillo. In Aguas is where Pancho Villa met
> at a convention and made a Plan or something like that. They eventually
> reached Zacatecas city after burning all the haciendas and took the city.
> My
> great grandma said it was a scary time, you could have died at any second
> not knowing when a bullet would hit the window. 30 years later our family
> would leave for the states, after the Cardenas taking the rest of the land
> we
> had and his brainwashing and his socialist ideals.
>
>
>
> -Daniel Méndez del Camino
>
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By the time Cárdenas came in the 40s the family was no longer rich, my grandpa states just he middle class, which bTW in Mexico that was still pretty good. There are other reasons why Lázaro Cárdenas was an a-hole too, but has nothing to do with money or power. I am told he even tried to erase everyones mind that Mexicans can be of Spanish descent. In textbooks he would state or the professors would at least states all Mexicans are full indians no questions. This is obviously wrong, Mexico has many cultures within.
The wealth were not entirly sure, how everything was obtained. I believe my family came after the independence, and have used some resources, Im hoping to find a travel record. Im sure their wealth came from Spain since they had registered arms and were "hijosdalgos". Eventhough wealthy, they had a carpintery business, a humble job. As a child, Mariano Camino loved to create stuff, the doors that stand outside the majestic home on the hacienda were created by his hands. -Daniel Camino
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There is always three sides to a story...1. his/her side....2. his/her side
and 3. THE THRUTH!
In a message dated 7/17/2009 9:15:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
mendezdelcamino@live.com writes:
By the time Cárdenas came in the 40s the family was no longer rich, my
grandpa states just he middle class, which bTW in Mexico that was still pretty
good. There are other reasons why Lázaro Cárdenas was an a-hole too, but
has nothing to do with money or power. I am told he even tried to erase
everyones mind that Mexicans can be of Spanish descent. In textbooks he would
state or the professors would at least states all Mexicans are full indians
no questions. This is obviously wrong, Mexico has many cultures within.
The wealth were not entirly sure, how everything was obtained. I believe
my family came after the independence, and have used some resources, Im
hoping to find a travel record. Im sure their wealth came from Spain since
they had registered arms and were "hijosdalgos". Eventhough wealthy, they had
a carpintery business, a humble job. As a child, Mariano Camino loved to
create stuff, the doors that stand outside the majestic home on the hacienda
were created by his hands. -Daniel Camino
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During the revolutionary times I don't think wealth or skin color was always a factor. Both the Revolutionaries and the Federales plundered my Gr-grandfathers home village, El Durazno, Jerez. The Federales were closer so robbed them more often but the Revolutionaries did too because the people of the village were not willing to chose a side. They decided to hide their women and horses but lost everything else. My Gr-grandfather said it was not a war for justice and equility, it was a shameful fight for all Mexicans. Plundering, vandalism, humiliation and starvation were commited by both sides on the people of El Durazno. My family loved El Durazno and only left to save their lives and the lives of their children, they loved and missed their home country until the day they died.
Linda in B.C.
--- On Fri, 7/17/09, Daniel M�ndez del Camino wrote:
From: Daniel M�ndez del Camino
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Firing squad
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 9:14 AM
By the time Cárdenas came in the 40s the family was no longer rich, my grandpa states just he middle class, which bTW in Mexico that was still pretty good. There are other reasons why Lázaro Cárdenas was an a-hole too, but has nothing to do with money or power. I am told he even tried to erase everyones mind that Mexicans can be of Spanish descent. In textbooks he would state or the professors would at least states all Mexicans are full indians no questions. This is obviously wrong, Mexico has many cultures within.
The wealth were not entirly sure, how everything was obtained. I believe my family came after the independence, and have used some resources, Im hoping to find a travel record. Im sure their wealth came from Spain since they had registered arms and were "hijosdalgos". Eventhough wealthy, they had a carpintery business, a humble job. As a child, Mariano Camino loved to create stuff, the doors that stand outside the majestic home on the hacienda were created by his hands. -Daniel Camino
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I don't know if my grandfather was going to be placed in front of a firing
squad, but he did kill someone during the war, gathered his wife and two
children, and headed for the states. I do have what I suspect is their
passport picture....they went first to Texas, and migrated to Michigan.
I guess this was a time when immigrating to the states was not as
complicated.
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I know your question about the firing squad was for Emily but that was the reason my gr-grandfather Vicente Castanon left Jerez (El Durazno) also. The Federales put him in an ox yoke and marched him through town because he would not tell them where his mules and horses were. He was a traveling merchant so had many mules. After walking him through town they stood him in front of a wall and lined up to shoot him. A lady who's last name was Aguilar talked them into letting him go, I have no idea what she said. The very next day my gr-grandparents and grandparents left El Durazno for their journey to the states.
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We found all this in a tape my grandfathers sister, Paula Castanon de la Cueva made many years ago for her daughter who wanted to know about the revolution and their trip to the states.
Since Emilies grandfather was from Jerez too maybe it was not as unusual as you think in that area.
Linda in B.C.
--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Mike Bernard Lopez
From: Mike Bernard Lopez
Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] Firing squad
To: general@nuestrosranchos.org
Date: Monday, July 6, 2009, 7:32 PM
Emilie,
Would it be inappropriate to ask why your grandfather and the others were facing a firing squad? I find this comment quite interesting and have not seen anything similar on this list in the past.
Bernardino
--- On Mon, 7/6/09, Emilie Garcia wrote: