On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:
> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the
> results be exactly the same?
> If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance
> that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a
> EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line
> Juanita
Hi Juanita,
Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother,
grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA
is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters
then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA)
There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and
heteroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.
As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on
what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA
female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your
mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the
mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The
parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable
Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers.
That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.
If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother"
somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA.
If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her
European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your
mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA
(and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).
If you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that
matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA-
NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will
answer your questions on this list.
Linda
mtDNA question
Hello, Linda,
THANKS!!!
JUANITA
Linda wrote:
On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:
> This is for experts on DNA out there:
>
> I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the
> results be exactly the same?
> If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance
> that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a
> EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line
> Juanita
Hi Juanita,
Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother,
grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA
is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters
then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA)
There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and
heteroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.
As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on
what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA
female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your
mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the
mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The
parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable
Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers.
That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.
If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother"
somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA.
If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her
European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your
mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA
(and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).
If you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that
matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA-
NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will
answer your questions on this list.
Linda
mtDNA question
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
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Linda,
I'm looking at several sites like Nt Geo., Human Genetics.com, etc. Needless to say, anything having to do with DNA is most,most interesting and QUITE intriguing,and acutally difficult for the average Jane/Joe to understand no matter how "easy" it is put. There are many technical terms that are just foreign to the average Jane/Joe . I think I was just trying to get a a quick general answer.
However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand" some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I have no matches now.
,
Thanks for anyinformation you give me.
Juanita
sophia wrote:
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
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To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
sophia wrote:
LINDA!
I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that Juanita had.
Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a female?
Sofia
> Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 16:55:51 -0700> From: missjuanni13@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > Hello, Linda,> > THANKS!!!> > JUANITA> > Linda wrote:> > On May 17, 2008, at 7:24 PM, JUANITA DELGADO wrote:> > > This is for experts on DNA out there:> >> > I just had my mtDNA done. If my daughter had hers done, would the > > results be exactly the same?> > If my "ancient" mother was a Native American, is there a chance > > that through all those hundreds of years there would have been a > > EUROPEAN mother somewhere along the line> > Juanita> > Hi Juanita,> Yes, your daughter should have the same mtDNA as you, your mother, > grandmother, etc. all the way back to your "ancient" mother. MtDNA > is passed down from mother's to all their children. The daughters > then pass it down to their children. (Men do not pass down mtDNA) > There is the possibility of slight differences due to mutation and > het
eroplasmy, but that is for another discussion.> > As for a "European mother somewhere along the line," it depends on > what line you are referring to. If you are referring to your mtDNA > female line, it will be the same all along the line. Remember, your > mtDNA does NOT include any male Y-DNA or it's influences. Also, the > mtDNA tested for genealogical purposes is not all your DNA. The > parts normally tested for genetic genealogy are the Hypervariable > Regions, sometimes called the Control Region in scientific papers. > That region is much shorter, has no genes, and mutates more frequently.> > If you are referring to the possibility of a "European mother" > somewhere in your father's line, it would not show up in his Y-DNA. > If your father's mother were European his mtDNA would show her > European mtDNA, since men have both Y-DNA and mtDNA. But only your > mother's mtDNA would be passed down to you, not your father's mtDNA > (and therefore not his mother's mtDNA).> > I
f you had your mtDNA tested with FamilyTreeDNA, join a group that > matches your results. Also join the Newbie DNA list at DNA- > NEWBIE@yahoogroups.com. There are very knowledgeable people who will > answer your questions on this list.> > Linda> >
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Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
mtDNA question
Hi, Pat,
I'll talk to you tomorrow. I need to close now.
Juanita
PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
mtDNA question
Hi, Pat,
Glad to share my results with you and actually the world if that would give me more information.
Unfortunately, my known mothers only go back to my great-grandmother. That's like yesterday. I have not been able to get beyond her. Her death records does not show her parents, so "the buck stops there", so to speak.
My mother's maiden name is TAMAYO, my grandmother's is GARCIA and my great-grandmohter's is either FLORES, BALDONADO or MALDONADO, from NE MEXICO.
As is well known, sometimes the test will raise more questions than it will give answers, and while I was not 100% satisfied, I am content with the findings. The reason I am not 100% satisfied is because my dna does not show a specific group/tribe, if you will; I would have been content even if I had tested APACHE! I know of some people whose dna has taken them directly to a specific group and specific geographical region.
So, my results were: I am in HAPLOGROUP A, one of the 4 groups that date back to PRE-COLUMBIAN times in the AMERICAS! Experts estimate that this group A "originated"
in EASTERN EURASIA . It is still found there and THROUGOUT the AMERICAS. THIS GROUP WAS PRESENT IN THE POPULATIONS THAT INITIALLY COLONIZED THE PRE-
COLUMBIAN AMERICAS AND, AND, DATES TO AT LEAST 30 THOUSAND YEARS!!!
On the flip side:
No matches were found for me, meaning I believe that no female descendant of all those hundreds and hundreds of mothers have tested?
I'm submitting my results to other sites, so who knows? Will keep you posted.
Incidently, I got a notice/invitation from the Gen.Soc. of Norte de Mexico to participate in a
"mouth wash" - GENETIRINSE test - FREE. You send in 4 generations - they provide the form on their site and send it in. It does take long to get the results about 6 months.
I tried sending it to Joseph for his comment but I don;'t think it got through.
Regards,
Juanita
PatriciaCorbera@comcast.net wrote:
Juanita,
What were your mtDNA test results? Plus what are the surnames that appear in your direct mtDNA ancestry?
My husband's mtDNA test results will be ready on about May 26th...
Surnames that appear in his direct line mtDNA are Perez, Andrada, Aguirre, Placencia, Lara Rodrigues, Rodrigues.
His YDNA tested out as Native American...
Pat Silva Corbera
Juanita you posted the following...
> However, the more you read on the subject the more you begin to "understand"
> some of it. Some sites have pages and pages of explanations/information. I think
> I have the "basic" idea pertaining to my results. I was sorry to learn that I
> have no matches now.
> Thanks for any information you give me.
> Juanita
mtDNA question
Hi Juanita,
Thank you for replying to my question about your mtDNA test results... It is so true that many times, test results end in more questions than answers.
As soon as my husband's mtDNA test results are received I will post them on NR, until then, thank you...
Pat Silva Corbera
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From: juanita delgado
> Hi, Pat,
> Glad to share my results with you and actually the world if that would give me
> more information.
mtDNA question
Thank you Jan!
I found a DNA test on the web that is called Autosomal-DNA. Supposibly a female can take this test if she has no males in her family. Has anyone heard of this test and if so, how much info can it give you to know about your father's line?
Sophia> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:48:23 -0700> From: janjaeckle@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
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On May 19, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Sofia wrote:
> I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that
> Juanita had.
> Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do
> with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a
> female?
>
> Sofia
Hi Sofia,
For a female to trace her male line, she must enlist the help of a
male descendant of her father. That means she must test either her
brother, her brother's son. She can also test her father's brother
or her father's brother's son (her male cousin on her father's
side). My brother was kind enough to submit his Y-DNA for my research.
Linda
mtDNA question
OK. I want to make sure I understand this. I have not quite looked into
this but have been curious. I am an only child (female) of my father whom
died many years ago. I never knew anyone from my father's family; he lost
contact with them as a teenager. There is a slim chance I will ever find
them. From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take
that will help in my father's genealogy?
Ann Rubio Valdez
Sugar Land, Texas
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On May 19, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Sofia wrote:
> I have to say THANK YOU also, since I had the same questions that
> Juanita had.
> Do you know if there is a test that can show anything having to do
> with any male line, may it be threw your mother or father, being a
> female?
>
> Sofia
Hi Sofia,
For a female to trace her male line, she must enlist the help of a
male descendant of her father. That means she must test either her
brother, her brother's son. She can also test her father's brother
or her father's brother's son (her male cousin on her father's
side). My brother was kind enough to submit his Y-DNA for my research.
Linda
mtDNA question
Hello Ann,
With my questions that I have asked here and the ones I asked Family Tree DNA the responce is "no". We cannot trace our father's line if there is no male.
Sophia> From: annvaldez@earthlink.net> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:53:36 -0500> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > OK. I want to make sure I understand this. I have not quite looked into> this but have been curious. I am an only child (female) of my father whom> died many years ago. I never knew anyone from my father's family; he lost> contact with them as a teenager. There is a slim chance I will ever find> them. From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take> that will help in my father's genealogy? > > Ann Rubio Valdez> Sugar Land, Texas>
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Sophia,
When considering a genetic test to learn about your ancestral past, do this: think about the fan you can make showing all your ancestors as you know them.
The fan begins with you as one point. Then it becomes two for your parents, then four for your grandparents, eight for your great-grandparents, 16, 32, 64, etc. If you are lucky enough to have an ancestor fan with 64 end points, then you probably noticed that these people are not the same by race or place of origin. Some may come from Europe: Spain, England, etc. Some may come from the Americas. Some may come from Africa, or Asia.
So suppose you really have 64 points. Suppose you count & 20% of them come from the Americas, 10% from Africa, 10% from Asia & the rest, 60%, from Europe. Then suppose that of the European ancestors, half are from Spain. So you are a mosaic & thats exciting. You can do an autosomal DNA test to get results like this. There are several companies. They can give you information because they have done thousands of tests & have a very large database.
There is nothing in your DNA that tells about place of origin, but you can compare your DNA with people in a specific location & look for similarities. Thats where the database comes in.
But now go back to the fan. If you are female, start with yourself, then move to your mother, then to her mother, then to her mother, etc until you get to the end of the female line, as you know it. Because of a lucky accident of biology, you & all of these women have some DNA that is exactly the same. This is not autosomal, it is mitochondrial DNA & it passes unchanged from mother to children. So if you do a test for your mDNA & put it in a mDNA database, you can see where that specific piece of DNA apparently came from.
Now suppose your mDNA came from Asia, but when you look at your fan, or at your autosomal DNA test, you see that you are only 10% Asian. Thats ityou are only 10% Asianit just so happens that one of your Asian ancestors was part of your female line. So you know something interesting, but it doesnt define what you are entirely. It is just a part, in fact a very small part.
The same is true of the male line that can be followed by the y-chromosome test. It gives you only one point on the fan. I think that the male-line test is interesting because males keep their names & if your name is Jones you can see where the original Jones came from. But remember that he is only one point on your ancestor fan.
Jan
sophia wrote:
Thank you Jan!
I found a DNA test on the web that is called Autosomal-DNA. Supposibly a female can take this test if she has no males in her family. Has anyone heard of this test and if so, how much info can it give you to know about your father's line?
Sophia> Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 17:48:23 -0700> From: janjaeckle@yahoo.com> To: general@nuestrosranchos.org> Subject: Re: [Nuestros Ranchos] mtDNA question> > To test for the male line (y-chromosome), a male must be tested. The test could be done on your brother, father, uncle or sons of your uncles. Jan
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On May 20, 2008, at 7:37 PM, Ann Rubio Valdez wrote:
> From this am I to gather that there is NO DNA test that I can take
> that will help in my father's genealogy?
>
> Ann Rubio Valdez
> Sugar Land, Texas
Hi Ann,
Sophia is correct that there is no Genealogical DNA test a female can
take to trace her male line. The DNA used for Genealogical purposes
is too specific as to the sex of the individual. You can have a
complete autosomal DNA test run, but I'm not sure if it will tell you
what you want to know. It is very expensive and the results will
include medical information. It is generally not done for
genealogy. Most Y-DNA and mtDNA testing is done to aid in tracing a
family line. It won't tell you who your parents are but it will tell
you where your ancient family was. It is used to help differentiate
between different family lines of people with the same names. It can
also tell if your DNA does not fit into the family line you thought
you fit into. It is deep ancestry research that needs a good paper
trail as a foundation for genealogy research. It's not the "end all"
in researching your genealogy.
I understand your frustration in not being able to add DNA to your
box of research tools. I had the same problem in trying to find my
mother's male line. After a few years of looking, I found the son of
her father's brother who agreed to test for me. He is my first
cousin once removed. My mother's father's Haplogroup is R1b1b2, a
European group so common that it is constantly being refined to help
differentiate between different groups. Each refinement means
additional tests at additional cost.
My father's Haplogroup is uncommon J2b1b and I have not found a match
outside of my family. It was nice to learn my father's ancestors came
up through the "fertile crescent", through Turkey and Greece and
probably on to Spain before settling in Mexico. His Haplogroup is
common in the middle East and around the Mediterranean. I have been
able to trace his family on paper back to the early 1800's, all
having been born in Tepatitlan. Having his DNA tested gave me more
questions than answers. It is all very interesting, but won't be
important until I can trace my family back to Spain and before. If I
could find another Romero with the same Y-DNA we would probably be
related.
Linda
mtDNA question
Jan,
Thank you again!
I did my mtDNA but was curious about the male line on my mother's side and there migration to Mexico, and I wanted to learn more of my father, but there are no males around to do the test.
I was told by Family Tree DNA that the Autosomal DNA test was mainly for finding out if your father is your father or between brothers and sisters, but if I understand you correctly, I could find out something.
It is exciting, especially when you discover something which you did not exspect, which happened to me.
Sophia
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