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Yolanda, I was trying to add my files when I noticed
yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives. So I decided to do a
search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.
yours......particularly your Bugarin relatives. So I decided to do a
search on Atolinga, as some of my relatives were born there as well.
Here's what I found - before the Spanish officially settled the area, it
appears that there was initially a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?)
and later "semitas (Jewish?). Had you read this before??? I thought it was
fascinating!!!
appears that there was initially a group of "celtas" who settled there (Irish?)
and later "semitas (Jewish?). Had you read this before??? I thought it was
fascinating!!!
Dice al ingeniero Montañés:
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles
vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el
monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta
nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí,
inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan
apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”
“ Después de la conquista, los españoles
vieron a Tlaltenango como tierra de promisión, colonizándola, dejando en el
monte de Atolinga, como muestra la colonización, extensa zona habitada hasta
nuestros días por moradores de la raza celta pura. Cabe explicar que hasta aquí,
inexplicablemente vinieron semitas, perpetuándose en familias que llevan
apellidos Leyva, Isais, Covarrubias, Castañeda, Bugarín”
source:
Esperanza
Atolinga, Zacatecas
latina1955@aol.com wrote:
Yolanda, we are primos!
I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.
http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278
I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.
Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.
Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.
Yolanda, we are primos!
Wow, this is the prize Arturo gets for his hard work: another cousin!
Our ancestors are rejoicing because another two families that were lost
have been reunited after 150-200 years of being separated.
Good find and congratulations!!!
That points out another positive feature of the new site. With the
search engine capabilities we should be able to look at and search for
each other's files much easier.
Yolanda, are you coming to DC in 2007 for the Rancho Roundup? Arturo is
going to personally show us how to use the National Archives to look up
our border crossing records. Of course we can do that from our homes if
we purchase the films but there are materials there that are not yet
available on film that he is becoming aquainted with. I'll be coming if
only for meeting as many as we can get together and for a big plato of
frijoles y arroz with plenty of salsa fresca bastante picante
joseph
arturoramos wrote:
>I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.
>
>http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278
>
>I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.
>
>Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.
>
>Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.
Yolanda, we are primos!
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Yolanda, we are primos!
1 13 1808 TEPECHITLAN
IT SEEMS THAT LONGINOS CHANGED HIS NAME TO BUGARINI THE "I" AT THE END AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY IN CHIH AND IN TEXAS ALL USE THE BUGARINI SURNAME.
DO THE SAME.
arturoramos <arturo.ramos2@verizon.net> wrote:
Yolanda, we are primos!
Congratulations on your findings.
It appears that there is a heavy Basque influence in
your families from Chihuahua and Jalisco. I've
started to do some research on the Basque side of my
family, also.
Alberto Duarte Prieto
Santa Maria, California
Yolanda, we are primos!
I think that if Esperanza had not posted this message I might not have figured this out, but you and I are primos Yolanda. The person that is #25 on your descendants of Pedro Joseph Bugarin is my gggg-grandmother through my maternal grandfather's lineage.
http://www.ramosfamily.org/nextgen/getperson.php?personID=I278
I have children listed for her (including my ancestor) who were baptized in Tlaltenango, before the parrish was set up in Atolinga. I see you have some younger children that were baptized in Atolinga.
Esperanza, any idea who this Ingeniero Montanes is or what his sources are for the information that is cited to him? It doesn't make much sense from what I know of the history of Atolinga... It is true that the general area (up on the hills) did not have indigenous settlements at the time that the Spaniards arrived... they preferred to live in the Valleys and Canyons.
Esteban Valdes also believes that the Covarrubias from Totatiche/Atolinga area were sephardi but he has not yet convinced me. I don't think there are any Isais in Atolinga, they are Yslas or Islas... and that is a common name that comes from los Altos.